Hey tzarvul, you are so confused about yourself.. Go find your roots in Afghanistan or Hindokush. We don't have any in Bulgaria. That's why I am here, to defend the real origin of mine. Most guys on proboards agree with me. Except the brainwashed like you.
^^Ei selski kopa4 ne se pravi na goliam otvorko, I am just saying that the known starting point of the 1st Bulgarian tirbes were Southern Afghan/Northern Iranian, I didn't say we are eather one of those peoples, we also do not come from Venus or Mars, DNA examination shows closer (((resemblense))) to Romanians, Greeks, Afghans, and Iranians.
And you are the brainwashed moron that claims Bulgarians are Mongol/Turk/Tatars hahaha that is simply hilarious because it just isn't so... You are living in denial, just go up to any Bulgarian person look them dead in the face and tell them they look Mongol/Turko/Tatar, you can't because they simply do not, you have been fed soviet bullshit and I know it's hard to brush off but you should and stop making a full of yourself, I am pretty sure you are eather a Turk/maco/serb so dont sit here and enforce your bullshi upon us because you stand alone.
And you are the brainwashed moron that claims Bulgarians are Mongol/Turk/Tatars hahaha that is simply hilarious because it just isn't so... Hahaha... Why are you contradicting yourself?? So accordingly.. the steppe bulgars have that afghan and iranian (((resemblence)))! From Hindokush..
They want to look like the Thracians, but then they try to claim kinship with the Hindu, Iranian and Afhgan, and more ironically, they get mad when they are told that the Bolgars are Turkic.
My beloved frustrated danube Bulgarians.
As Karachay-Balkars, we have no such frustrations. We are the ones always resided in "Great Bolgaria", and we are proud to be the descendants of the Turkic Bolgars.
No claims on Hindu, Iranian, Gypsy or Mongol kinship. ;D
Last Edit: Jul 5, 2008 2:31:52 GMT -5 by depletedreasons
As an ethnonum, the word "Serbs" has ever existed only in Slavic background.
As an ethnonum, the word "Bulgarians" first appeared in Hellenophone background to denote Romanophones, those speaking Vulgar Latin, "sermo vulgaris".
Later, this ethnonym was expanded to all North-West-Balkan people not speaking Greek.
Of course, we now cannot say in which cases the ethnonym "Bulgarians" denoted present-day Albanians.
Especially, this ethnonym was imposed to some part of Slavophones and to some part of Avars as well. Avars are supposed to have spoken some Turkic language. Please consider North-West-Balkans first. The Avar Kaghanat as a state had Slavophone population and a Turcophone elite.
Some of Avars bearing the "Bulgarians" ethnonym migrated towards East and were at least twice mentioned as "The Old Great (Megalee) Bulgaria" there. Defeated by Hazars, some went North and brought this etnonym to the middle Volga bassin, some went West and South and founded a state called Bulgaria (called so by Hellenophones at least), which actually was the second state on the Balkans with Slavophone population and Turcophone elite besides the Avar Kaghanat.
What become with the migrants to the middle Volga bassin?
Those under Christianity are called now Chuvash and to some extend they kept the old Turkic language of Avars.
Those under Islam were converted to speak Kipchak (the language of Kumans) and took the ethnonym "Tatars", the new ethnonym for all the Kipchak speaking people.
Please, when discussing such historical topics, keep first in mind that there is just population. The population speaks some languages. The population professes some religions. Afterwards, there come states and empires, rulers and wars.
Please clarify the events in these terms first. Go to other terms (nations, nationalities) afterwards, after you got the feeling of the events.
Balkar is a recently invented ethnonym. Recently - at soviet times.
There are two regions in neighbourhoud there called Karachay and Kabarda.
In both Karachay and Kabarda, people speak two languages.
In both Karachay and Kabarda, people are Muslims.
In both Karachay and Kabarda, people did not have ethnonyms until recently, they called themselves simply "mountaineers", "montagnards", "mountain-dwellers", "dağlı" (Turkish), "горцы" (Russian).
The first of the languages spoken in Karachay and Kabarda is Circassian. All those speaking Circassian could be called Circassians (çerkez, черкези). Circassian is spoken in other adjacent areas, too, not only in Karachay and Kabarda. Circassian along with Abkhazi form a separate family of languages not related to Turkic nor to IE nor to Georgian nor to Chechen.
The second of the languages spoken in Karachay and Kabarda is Kipchak, a Turkic language. All those speaking Kipchak could be called Tatars, the common ethnonym for Kipchak-speaking people. Kipchak was the imperial language of the Horde in Eastern Europe so it was natural for some part of the population to be converted to the imperial language. There was a big problem for the Soviet classifiers: all Kipchak dialects in Eastern Europe and Siberia had to be nominated as languages. "Tatar" was occupied for the dialect of Kazan, "Crimean-Tatar" was occupied for the dialect of Crimea, "Kabardian" was occupied for the local dialect of Circassian, so for the Kipchak dialect of Kabarda, a new word was invented - Malkar or Balkar, based on the name of the river Malka-Balka.
Conclusion: "Balkar" and "Bulgar" have nothing in common.