ioan
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Post by ioan on Nov 11, 2008 3:55:41 GMT -5
I say Romania HISTORICALLY of course. They rarely fought with us or we with them. Actually in medievil times there was peaceful coexistance. I say now we can claim closer relationship with Greece too, as lately it has prooven its support for bulgarian international aspirations. And there are friendly feelings demonstrated on Eurovision by both sides. I think Serbia is another story, though I sympathize with them, they ve prooven to stub us in the back when we waited for a stub from others. I think we are closely related, yet quite different as mentality. Southwest Bulgarians hate us, tnx to the Serbs and later the Tito policy. I think most Bulgarians today are indifferent to them and do not care about closer relationships. Turkey... Well that would be hard. We ve had good relationships lately, yet there is the complex in every Balkan country that they "stopped" our european development in 1396, plus there are alot of Turks in Bulgaria that is another issue in our relationships. Generally Bulgarians like their Bulgarian Turkish neighbours but are suspicious of the Turkish state policy in Bulgaria. Also there is the Pomak problem and the fear of the Turkish state policy in that field too.
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Post by SKORIC on Nov 11, 2008 4:18:41 GMT -5
I agree i woudnt say Serbs are lol. Got nothing against Bulgarians though. Serbia stupidly attacked Bulgaria in 1885. Bulgaria attacked us in WW1 from behind and also in WW2. And ofcourse the stuff that happened in the balkan wars.
P.s. Romania invaded Bulgaria in 1913 on our side so they have fought against you atleast that time.
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Post by rusebg on Nov 11, 2008 4:21:10 GMT -5
They stabbed us once but with a remarkable effect. You know, here is the moment to annoy some of my Romanian friends but I am being quite peaceful in recent months ;D
Quite different? Have you visited Serbia or do you have any Serb friends? We are very close in terms of mentality, trust me. They are more nationalistic but this is probably the only significant difference I can figure out.
This is not a complex but a historic fact.
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Post by ioan on Nov 11, 2008 4:43:17 GMT -5
They stabbed us once but with a remarkable effect. You know, here is the moment to annoy some of my Romanian friends but I am being quite peaceful in recent months ;D But they have GENERALLY had a very positive effect on the Bulgarians. Braila had our communities, they participated in the Russian-Turkish war in 1877-78, they gave us back southern Dobroga etc. But most importantly, in the medievil times, since the creation of the vlach states, there was always cooperation, never wars. except that culturally we had influence on them for a long time etc... I ve visited Serbia, but I hardly have any Serbian friends. Yet looking at the situation there and their reaction, I can hardly imagine Bulgarian society to react in this way. I ve been in Montenegro also. Of course there is smth similar, yet its different. yeah, but it created a complex that is playing big part in our relationships with Turkey. And please, vote who u think our biggest friend was.
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Post by rusebg on Nov 11, 2008 6:58:30 GMT -5
I can't vote twice.
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ioan
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Post by ioan on Nov 11, 2008 8:05:57 GMT -5
nice so we agree on that
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Post by Novi Pazar on Nov 12, 2008 5:47:32 GMT -5
Guys, l can't honestly understand why some think Turkey has been a historically favorable neighbour. If l was voting as a Bulgarian l probably say Romania.
Turkey, c'mon, if it was related for the past 50 years then l would understand.
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Post by Ivanov on Nov 12, 2008 6:53:42 GMT -5
I don't understand it either, 2 votes for Turkey? One of them is Rhezus, but the other? I also think that Romania is the best choice, if there is any choice at all. In 1940 they gave Silistra (my birthplace) and south Dobrudja back to Bulgaria (in fact Hitler forced them to do it) and thus made up a little about 1913.
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ioan
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Post by ioan on Nov 12, 2008 7:07:39 GMT -5
Turkey is a very strange choice. Rhezus, please, elaborate!
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Post by rusebg on Nov 12, 2008 9:32:18 GMT -5
What is there to elaborate from the Thracian Turk who hates Greece and Serbia and considers fyromians as separate nation?!
I wonder who is the other guy.
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Post by c0gnate on Nov 12, 2008 9:40:20 GMT -5
America loves you. Especially with barbecue sauce.
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Post by rusebg on Nov 13, 2008 5:56:57 GMT -5
You are part of America, if I am not mistaken. Do you love me in this way?
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Post by besarab on Nov 13, 2008 7:22:11 GMT -5
romania attacked us from behind without any reason in a very important and sublime moment of our history in 1913.although the romanian troops were destroyed soon after the attack,this fact helped greece and serbia to occupy bulgarian lands after 2nd bolkan war. that s why bulgaria attacked in 1915--no mather what do you think about,this war was considered liberating .it was liberating indeed scoric my friend ,dont get me wrong but nowday serbia consists20% of historical bulgarian lands.ofcourse it s too late for any corrections now ,but the historical truth must be known regards
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Post by srbobran on Nov 14, 2008 0:14:00 GMT -5
In an ideal world, Serbia and Bulgaria would be a hell of a lot closer than we are today given the fact that there is really very little that separates us in terms of mentality, religion, language, and culture. Unfortunately, we have been screwing each other over for the past century and a half. Hopefully, we'll one day be able to look past the historical bullshit and embrace each other as brethren.
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Post by stambolov2025 on Nov 14, 2008 1:22:45 GMT -5
In an ideal world, Serbia and Bulgaria would be a hell of a lot closer than we are today given the fact that there is really very little that separates us in terms of mentality, religion, language, and culture. Unfortunately, we have been screwing each other over for the past century and a half. Hopefully, we'll one day be able to look past the historical bulls**t and embrace each other as brethren. I'd love to hear you say that about Shiptarite, yeah we have been screwing each other and for that to be forgotten, there have to be steps taken by both parties to reconcile border and historical disputes. Those disputes are what make the Balkans the hell hole and barrel of gun powder ready to explode that they are today. For there to be any peace in the Balkans, all this "historical bullsh.t" needs to be addressed appropriately and peacefully, but until then the bad blood between Bulgaria and ALL of its current neighbors will remain. Bulgaria cannot say one positive thing about any of its neighbors, they all took advantage of us in our time of weakness at one point or another and you can't expect us to simply hug after that with Serbs regardless of our similarities. Its a shame we Balkaners fight like cats and dogs but until the historic issues are addressed, some one will always be unhappy and unsatisfied, and there is nothing wrong with that, there are a lot of territorial and historical injustices in the Balkans, past and present, most recent being the Kosovo Independence. If you Serbs can hug the shiptari, we can hug the Serbs.
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Post by besarab on Nov 14, 2008 3:24:51 GMT -5
Its a shame we Balkaners fight like cats and dogs but until the historic issues are addressed, some one will always be unhappy and unsatisfied, and there is nothing wrong with that -to respect the others and be friend with them is one thing,to respect the history -is another.why history is so important??? here i ll give you one possible reason--becouse the historical past of the people forme the predominant part of theyr present day mentality. this applies to the serbian case too.... in begining of 19 century while every bolkan nations developed theyr ideas for national liberation and unification,serbs ,on theyr turn ,developed several ideas for local federations,south slavic unifications ..and so on ...all those projects had something incommen- they had to be realized under serbian domination. this was an imperialistic attitude on local level actually.big part of those imperialistic plans serbs realized lately using decisive help of the great powers...so -in the last 80 years many of them believed they are nation blessed by the god.this belief and this mentality provoced the yugoslavian tragedy from 90s... can you follow me in this guys--it s like a chain.one thing leads to another so practicly modern day yugoslavian drama is the final collapse of the serbian imperialsm from 19 century.now the reformation of the serbian consciousness is in process too.it will take time.this doesnt concern the serb participants of this forum-they are mostly from usa and aus as i can see-they arent typical representatives of the serbian nation regards
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Post by Ivanov on Nov 14, 2008 3:34:33 GMT -5
Ioan, I just remembered a post of Cognate who once pointed out that we do have a neighbour which historically has always been a friend of ours. In short, you should have included the Black sea in your poll.
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Post by besarab on Nov 14, 2008 6:13:19 GMT -5
black sea is our enemy too.each year it takes atleast one km2 of bulgarian soil ,just like every other neighbours did before ;D. what about danube river??
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Post by Atan on Nov 14, 2008 6:29:22 GMT -5
If we look at the facts and our common (during some period of time) history - that country for sure is Romania. We had/have almost none hostilities against each other.
By the way I am quite surpized to learn that this Rezhus guy is still here - any normal person with little self respect would be long gone.
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Post by rusebg on Nov 14, 2008 7:49:30 GMT -5
Hey, Sin, is that you? Where have you been? Nice to see you back!
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