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Post by ioan on Feb 5, 2009 2:34:50 GMT -5
What do u think would ve happened? I think positives: - the fyroms wouldnt hate us nowadays; - probably fyrom would ve been part of Bulgaria toway; - we would had great relations with the Serbs; - probably we would ve been better economically in the 80ties, respectively the 90ties; - we would ve known much more about our slavic neighbours in the west. Negatives: - we would probably have been forced to take part in some war; - maybe there would ve been a war if Bulgaria and fyrom were to go out of Yugoslavia; - we wouldnt be in EU now (though I m not sure since Slovenia is in it). So what do u think?
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Post by lvl100 on Feb 5, 2009 4:19:06 GMT -5
Yugoslavia had indeed a better living before `89, but I dont think it would worth the mess that followed after its dissolution. Bulgaria is not Slovenia - a country situated more deep ( territorially and financial ) in the heart of rich Europe. Overall, I think that was a good think that they werent part of Yugoslavia.
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Post by ioan on Feb 5, 2009 4:30:34 GMT -5
^yeah maybe you are right. do u think we would ve been involved in the wars, do u think the macs would ve felt differently towards us?
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Post by lvl100 on Feb 5, 2009 5:19:00 GMT -5
I really doubt about any larger scale military confrontantions. Bulgaria comparing to the other former Yugoslavian states, its too big and no one in their right minds would tryed to stop its independence. Maybe isolated accidents , but nothing more.
The real problems that could affect it were formed by the its dependency ( administrative , economic, etc) on a dying and chaotic federation. Considering that Bulgaria had its own problems too, adding an extra from those above, its a safe bet that now Bulgaria wouldn't be a UE member.
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Post by Ivanov on Feb 5, 2009 6:18:05 GMT -5
This was the reason Bulgaria didn't join Yogoslavia, though it was negotiated by Tito and Dimitrov.
And I don't like these IFs, especially concerning history. Nali znaesh prikazkata Joan - Ako Levski beshe s botushi, a Botev s kaska.....
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Post by jerryspringer on Feb 5, 2009 8:05:36 GMT -5
I wish Bulgaria had been a part of Yugoslavia.
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Post by ioan on Feb 5, 2009 8:22:29 GMT -5
Why? Please elaborate.
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Post by Atan on Feb 5, 2009 8:33:38 GMT -5
Well Ioan...I don't know how you develop such bright consclusions - I guess maybe because you don't know the Serbies? I can assure you though that Serbs are more than brothers to us - they like us so much that there are no words to express their warm feelings.
Keep it up man! Good work.
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Post by rusebg on Feb 5, 2009 10:46:53 GMT -5
Your wishes are duly noted. Thank you for sharing. Now wait till Kibitzer invents the time machine and they will be fulfilled.
Back to topic I am glad we were not part of Yugoslavia and avoided being part of an artificial creation.
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Post by ioan on Feb 5, 2009 12:52:38 GMT -5
Well Ioan...I don't know how you develop such bright consclusions - I guess maybe because you don't know the Serbies? I can assure you though that Serbs are more than brothers to us - they like us so much that there are no words to express their warm feelings. Keep it up man! Good work. I know we did not have very nice relations with the Serbs, even recently. I suggested that being in a common state would ve been of help in that respect. I know that isnt the case with Bosnia or Croatia, but it is with fyrom, which are southwestern Bulgarians. So I dont get your sarcasm.
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Post by Ivanov on Feb 5, 2009 14:37:47 GMT -5
Joan, you are terribly wrong. I have studied the so called attempt of Bulgaria's inclusion in Yugoslavia. It was negotiated between Tito and Dimitrov under the patronage of Stalin. The only positive was that Serbia agreed to return the Western outlands to Bulgaria. But in return Bulgaria agreed to recognize the Macedonian nation as a separate one and cede Pirin Macedonia to Scopie. All 250 000 Bulgarians there were forcibly declared Macedonians by our communists, even the relatives of their chief Georgi Dimitrov - ironicly he was from Pirin Macedonia. Serbo- Fyromian teachers replaced the Bulgarian ones in all schools in whole Blagoevgrad region, many people were beaten and went to jail, because they wanted to remain Bulgarians in Bulgaria. This plan however was stopped after Tito went to bad terms with Stalin, this saved our people from the Fyromaniac madness. I don't see any positives like you do. The Bulgarian communists of that time didn't care about our country. The PM Dimitrov spoke only in Russian and willingly betrayed even his relatives, the others were like him. Traicho Kostov who tried to oppose this madness was hanged. They would gladly kill Bulgaria and make it a Soviet Republic, so why do you think that these scumbags could produce something with a positive result?
It was a pure luck that later those red monsters chose Todor Zhivkov as chief. Maybe he did many wrongs, but he cared about his country and nation and proved it.
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Post by rusebg on Feb 5, 2009 18:24:44 GMT -5
Ðàçêðèõìå çà âàñ çàãàäêàòà îêîëî ñìúðòòà è ñúäáàòà íà àðõèâà íà ñóïåðïîëèöàÿ Íèêîëà Ãåøåâ, à ñëåä òîâà õâúðëèõìå ñâåòëèíà âúðõó åäèí òúìåí ïåðèîä îò áúëãàðñêàòà èñòîðèÿ, çà êîéòî íÿìà êàêâî äà ïðî÷åòåòå â ó÷åáíèöèòå ïî èñòîðèÿ è êîéòî áå ïîäìèíàò, à äîêóìåíòèòå îò íåãî îñòàíàõà íåðàçñåêðåòåíè îò ÌÂÐ – âðåìåòî íà ò.íàð "÷åðâåí òåðîð", êîéòî ïðîäúëæàâà îò 1944 ã. äî 1948 ã. Áðîÿò íà æåðòâèòå ãîâîðè ñàì ïî ñåáå ñè: 8000 êðèìèíàëíè çàòâîðíèöè, ïóñíàòè íà óëèöàòà, 30 000 óáèòè ëåêàðè, ñâåùåíèöè, êìåòîâå è ó÷èòåëè, 2000 ðåïðåñèðàíè áúëãàðñêè îôèöåðè, 220 000 äóøè, ïðåìèíàëè ïðåç êîíöëàãåðèòå íà Áúëãàðèÿ, 2000 ãîðÿíè, ïîâå÷åòî ðàçñòðåëÿíè áåç ñúä è ïðèñúäà, 11 000 äóøè, ñúäåíè îò Íàðîäíèÿ ñúä, óíèùîæàâàíå íà îïîçèöèÿòà è îáåñâàíåòî íà ëèäåðà é Íèêîëà Ïåòêîâ.
×àñò îò òîçè òúìåí ïåðèîä íà “÷åðâåíèÿ òåðîð” å è íàñèëñòâåíà ìàêåäîíèçàöèÿ íà 310 000 áúëãàðè â Ïèðèíñêèÿ êðàé. È çà òîçè ïðîöåñ, êàêòî è çà âñè÷êè ñúáèòèÿ îò ïåðèîäà íà ÷åðâåíèÿ òåðîð, íÿìà ïî÷òè íèêàêâè äîêóìåíòè, â íåãî íÿìà äà ïðî÷åòåòå â ó÷åáíèöèòå ïî èñòîðèÿ, à àðõèâèòå íà ÌÂÐ îò òîçè ïåðèîä ñè îñòàâàò ñåêðåòíè. Çàòîâà ùå âè ðàçêàæåì êîé å àâòîðúò íà èäåÿòà çà ò.íàð. Áàëêàíñêà ôåäåðàöèÿ, êàê Ìîñêâà ÿ ïîäøóøíà íà áúëãàðñêèÿ ìèíèñòúð-ïðåäñåäàòåë è ëèäåð íà êîìóíèñòèòå Ãåîðãè Äèìèòðîâ, êîé íîñè èñòîðè÷åñêàòà îòãîâîðíîñò çà îïèòà Áúëãàðèÿ äà ñå ðàçäåëè íà òðè ÷àñòè è äà ñå ïðèñúåäèíè êúì Òèòîâà Þãîñëàâèÿ, êàê çà òîâà áÿõà íàñèëñòâåíî âïèñàíè êàòî ìàêåäîíöè 310 000 áúëãàðè, è êàêâî ñå ñëó÷è ñ îíåçè 40 000, êîèòî îòêàçàõà.
Êîíêðåòíèòå äåéñòâèÿ ïî îòäåëÿíåòî íà Ïèðèíñêèÿ êðàé ÷ðåç íàñèëñòâåíà ìàêåäîíèçàöèÿ è èäåÿòà çà ïîñëåäâàùîòî ìó ïðèñúåäèíÿâàíå êúì Áàëêàíñêàòà ôåäåðàöèÿ è Þãîñëàâèÿ çàïî÷âàò íà 20 äåêåìâðè 1944 ã., êîãàòî Òðàé÷î Êîñòîâ êàòî ïîëèòè÷åñêè ñåêðåòàð íà Áúëãàðñêàòà ðàáîòíè÷åñêà ïàðòèÿ-òåñíè ñîöèàëèñòè ïðåäàâà íà ñðúáñêîòî ðàçóçíàâàíå ñïèñúêà íà áúëãàðñêèòå âîåííè ðàçóçíàâà÷è íà òåðèòîðèÿòà íà Ìàêåäîíèÿ. Òàêà 20 000 áúëãàðñêè ðàçóçíàâà÷è ñà ëèêâèäèðàíè. Òå ñà èçáèòè â ðàìêèòå ñàìî íà äâå ñåäìèöè ñëåä òîâà. Êîãàòî ïðåç 1946 ã. â Áúëãàðèÿ ñå ïðîâåæäà ïðåáðîÿâàíå íà íàñåëåíèåòî, 310 000 áúëãàðè â Ïèðèíñêèÿ êðàé íàñèëñòâåíî ñà ïðèíóäåíè äà ñå âïèøàò ìàêåäîíöè, è òîâà íàñèëñòâåíî îïðåäåëåíèå ñòîè â ïàñïîðòèòå èì äî 1970 ã. Òåçè 40 000 äóøè, êîèòî ñà îòêàçàëè, ñà èíòåðíèðàíè â Ãîëè Îòîê, åäèí æåñòîê êîíöëàãåð, íàìèðàù ñå íà ñðúáñêè îñòðîâ â Ñðåäèçåìíî ìîðå. Îòòàì ìàëöèíà îò òÿõ ñà ñå âúðíàëè æèâè. Ïðåç òîâà âðåìå â Áúëãàðèÿ ñå äîâåæäàò ó÷èòåëè, êîèòî äà ïðåïîäàâàò ìàêåäîíñêè åçèê â Ïèðèíñêèÿ êðàé, è ñå ïðàâÿò ìàêåäîíñêè ó÷èëèùà.
Ïðîöåñúò íà íàñèëñòâåíà ìàêåäîíèçàöèÿ îáà÷å èìà íàä 100-ãîäèøíà ïðåäèñòîðèÿ. Òîé ñå ñâúðçâà íàé-âå÷å ñ èìåòî íà Ãåîðãè Äèìèòðîâ – ðúêîâîäèòåë íà Áúëãàðñêàòà êîìóíèñòè÷åñêà ïàðòèÿ è íà Êîìèíòåðíà, ìèíèñòúð-ïðåäñåäàòåë íà Áúëãàðèÿ îò 1946 ã. äî ñìúðòòà ñè ïðåç 1949 ã. Âñúùíîñò íàñèëñòâåíàòà ìàêåäîíèçàöèÿ å ñàìî îïèò çà êîíêðåòíî îñúùåñòâÿâàíå íà èäåÿòà çà ðàçäåëÿíå íà Áúëãàðèÿ íà òðè ÷àñòè, îòäåëÿíåòî ïúðâîíà÷àëíî íà Ïèðèíñêèÿ êðàé, à ïî-êúñíî è öÿëîòî é ïðèñúåäèíÿâàíå êúì Þãîñëàâèÿ. Åòî òàçè èäåÿ ïðèäîáèâà èçâåñòíîñò êàòî ïëàí çà ñúçäàâàíåòî íà òàêà íàðå÷åíàòà Áàëêàíñêà ôåäåðàöèÿ. Èäåè, ïîäîáíè íà òàçè çà Áàëêàíñêàòà ôåäåðàòèâíà ðåïóáëèêà, ñå çàðàæäàò âñúùíîñò îùå êúì êðàÿ íà 18 âåê, êàòî ñðåä òåõíèòå íîñèòåëè ñå ñî÷è âêëþ÷èòåëíî è âèäíèòå íè âúçðîæäåíöè Ãåîðãè Ðàêîâñêè è Ëþáåí Êàðàâåëîâ.
Èçñëåäîâàòåëèòå íà Êàðë Ìàðêñ ñî÷àò, ÷å èäåÿòà çà îáåäèíåíèå íà Áàëêàíèòå â åäíà äúðæàâà ñ ðåïóáëèêàíñêî óñòðîéñòâî ñå ñïîìåíàâà îùå â íåãîâèòå ñú÷èíåíèÿ. Ïîñëå òÿ å îáøèðíî ðàçðàáîòåíà îò ïàðòèÿòà íà òåñíèòå ñîöèàëèñòè â Áúëãàðèÿ è íàé-âå÷å îò Äèìèòúð Áëàãîåâ. Íåãîâàòà ïàðòèÿ îñîáåíî óñúðäíî ïðîïàãàíäèðà òàçè èäåÿ â íàâå÷åðèåòî íà Áàëêàíñêèòå âîéíè 1912-1913 ã. è ó÷àñòèåòî íà Áúëãàðèÿ â Ïúðâàòà ñâåòîâíà âîéíà. Ñîöèàëèñòèòå âÿðâàò, ÷å íàöèîíàëíîòî îáåäèíåíèå íà áúëãàðèòå ñëåä ó÷àñòèåòî é â òðèòå âîéíè å âúçìîæíî ñàìî ÷ðåç ñúçäàâàíåòî íà åäèííà ôåäåðàòèâíà ðåïóáëèêà íà òåðèòîðèÿòà íà öåëèÿ Áàëêàíñêè ïîëóîñòðîâ, êàòî ïî òîçè íà÷èí äà áúäàò åñòåñòâåíî ïîòóøåíè òåðèòîðèàëíèòå êîíôëèêòè ìåæäó îòäåëíèòå áàëêàíñêè äúðæàâè.  ðàçðàáîòåíèÿ îò òÿõ ïðîåêò çà Áàëêàíñêà ôåäåðàöèÿ çà ñòîëèöà ñå ñî÷è Ñîôèÿ.
Ñîöèàëèñòèòå íå ïðåäâèæäàò ïðîâåæäàíåòî íà ðåâîëþöèÿ çà îñúùåñòâÿâàíåòî íà ïðîåêòà ñè çà Áàëêàíñêà ôåäåðàöèÿ, à òúêìî îáðàòíîòî. Òå ñìÿòàò, ÷å ïðàâèòåëñòâàòà íà áàëêàíñêèòå äúðæàâè ùå ãî îñúùåñòâÿò ïîä íàòèñêà íà ðàáîòíè÷åñêàòà êëàñà îò òåçè ñòðàíè è âñúùíîñò ðàçãëåæäàò ôåäåðàöèÿòà êàòî øàíñ çà ñúçäàâàíå íà ãîëÿìà áàëêàíñêà ðàáîòíè÷åñêà êëàñà, êîÿòî äà ðàçïîëàãà ñ âúçìîæíîñòòà äà îñúùåñòâè ðåâîëþöèÿ. Ëåíèí îöåíÿâà èäåÿòà íà áúëãàðñêèòå ìàðêñèñòè êàòî ïðàâèëíà, íî ïîñî÷âà, ÷å áè òðÿáâàëî äà ñå î÷àêâà îò ðàáîòíè÷åñêàòà êëàñà è ñåëÿ÷åñòâîòî, à íå îò áóðæîàçèÿòà, äà ÿ îñúùåñòâè. Áåç äà ïîäîçèðà, ÷å îïèòúò äà ñå îñúùåñòâè íàèñòèíà òàçè Áàëêàíñêà ôåäåðàöèÿ ùå íàñòúïè ñëåä öåëè 20 ãîäèíè.
Ñëåä êðàÿ íà Âòîðàòà ñâåòîâíà âîéíà êîìóíèñòè÷åñêèòå ïàðòèè íà Áàëêàíèòå âçèìàò âëàñòòà.  êðàÿ íà àâãóñò 1944 ã. â Ðóìúíèÿ ñ ïðåâðàò, ðúêîâîäåí îò êðàëÿ, å ñâàëåíà äèêòàòóðàòà íà Àíòîíåñêó, ñòðàíàòà å îêóïèðàíà îò íàñòúïâàùèòå ñúâåòñêè âîéñêè è ñ òÿõíà ïîìîù ðóìúíñêàòà êîìïàðòèÿ îâëàäÿâà âëàñòòà ïðåç 1947 ã. Íà 9 ñåïòåìâðè 1944 ã. ïàê ñ ïîìîùòà íà ×åðâåíàòà àðìèÿ âëàñòòà â Áúëãàðèÿ ñúùî å âçåòà îò êîìóíèñòèòå.
 Àëáàíèÿ ïàðòèçàíèòå, ðúêîâîäåíè îò ìåñòíàòà êîìóíèñòè÷åñêà ïàðòèÿ è óëåñíåíè îò èçòåãëÿíåòî íà íåìñêèòå âîéñêè îò Áàëêàíèòå, çàâçåìàò âëàñòòà ïðåç íîåìâðè 1944 ã. Êúì ìàé 1945 ã. âëàñòòà è â öÿëà Þãîñëàâèÿ ñúùî ïðåìèíàâà â ðúöåòå íà Þãîñëàâñêàòà êîìóíèñòè÷åñêà ïàðòèÿ ñ ïîìîùòà íà áúëãàðñêè è ñúâåòñêè âîéñêè. Äîðè â Ãúðöèÿ ñëåä èçòåãëÿíåòî íà âîéñêèòå íà Òðåòèÿ ðàéõ ñèëíàòà àíòèõèòëåðèñòêà ñúïðîòèâèòåëíà îðãàíèçàöèÿ ÅËÀÑ, äîìèíèðàíà îò êîìóíèñòèòå, çàâçåìà ãîëÿìà ÷àñò îò ñòðàíàòà, âêëþ÷èòåëíî ñòîëèöàòà Àòèíà.
Åòî òàçè îáñòàíîâêà íà Áàëêàíèòå êàðà áúëãàðñêèÿ ìèíèñòúð-ïðåäñåäàòåë è ëèäåð íà êîìóíèñòèòå Ãåîðãè Äèìèòðîâ äà ñìÿòà, ÷å å íàñòúïèë ìîìåíò çà îñúùåñòâÿâàíåòî íà ïðîåêòà çà Áàëêàíñêà ôåäåðàöèÿ. Òîé ñå îðèåíòèðà íàé-âå÷å êúì Þãîñëàâèÿ, òúé êàòî ñìÿòà, ÷å âúçìîæíîñòòà çà îáåäèíåíèå íà Áúëãàðèÿ ñ òàçè ñòðàíà å íàé-ãîëÿìà. Çà ñïîéâàùî çâåíî å òðÿáâàëî äà ïîñëóæè Ìàêåäîíèÿ, êîÿòî å òðÿáâàëî äà ñå âëåå âúâ ôåäåðàöèÿòà êàòî åäèííà ôåäåðàòèâíà ðåïóáëèêà îò Ïèðèí äî Øàð ïëàíèíà, à â çàìÿíà Áúëãàðèÿ äà ïîëó÷è îáðàòíî Çàïàäíèòå ïîêðàéíèíè. Çà îñúùåñòâÿâàíåòî òî÷íî íà òàçè öåë å ïðåäïðèåòà ìàêåäîíèçàöèÿòà íà áúëãàðñêîòî íàñåëåíèå â Ïèðèíñêèÿ êðàé â ñúîòâåòñòâèå ñ êîíöåïöèÿòà íà Ñòàëèí çà ìàêåäîíñêàòà íàöèÿ.
Ìàêåäîíèçàöèÿòà å ïðîâåäåíà íàñèëñòâåíî, êàòî âèíàòà îñíîâíî ñå õâúðëÿ âúðõó Ãåîðãè Äèìèòðîâ. Ñïîìåíè íà ñâèäåòåëè íà òåçè ñúáèòèÿ ñî÷àò, ÷å Äèìèòðîâ âñúùíîñò áèë çàìèñëèë òîâà ñàìî êàòî êóëòóðíà è ïîëèòè÷åñêà ïðîïàãàíäíà, à íàñèëèÿòà áèëè ïî èíèöèàòèâà íà ìåñòíèòå äåéöè íà ÁÊÏ. Òàêà èëè èíà÷å, ïðåç 1947 ã. ìåæäó Áúëãàðèÿ è Þãîñëàâèÿ å ïîäïèñàí äîãîâîð çà äðóæáà è ñúòðóäíè÷åñòâî. Ñêîðî ñëåä òîâà, ïðåç 1948 ã. ïîðàäè ðàçðèâà â îòíîøåíèÿòà ìåæäó Òèòî è Ñòàëèí, äîãîâîðúò å ðàçòðîãíàò. Èçâåñòíî âðåìå ÁÊÏ è ðúêîâîäåíàòà îò íåÿ áúëãàðñêà äúðæàâà çàïàçâàò ìúë÷àíèå ïî ìàêåäîíñêèÿ âúïðîñ. Ìúë÷àíèåòî ïðîäúëæàâà äî 1963 ã., êîãàòî íà ñïåöèàëåí ïëåíóì íà Öåíòðàëíèÿ êîìèòåò íà Áúëãàðñêàòà êîìóíèñòè÷åñêà ïàðòèÿ ëèäåðúò é Òîäîð Æèâêîâ ñå îáÿâÿâà â ïîëçà íà áúëãàðñêèÿ õàðàêòåð íà Ïèðèíñêèÿ êðàé.
Èíòåðåñíè ôàêòè ñúîáùàâà îáà÷å ïèñàòåëÿò Àíòîíè Ãèçà â êíèãàòà ñè “Áàëêàíñêèòå äúðæàâè è ìàêåäîíñêèÿò âúïðîñ”:
“Ïðåç 1925 ã. âúâ Âèåíà 16 ëåâè äåéöè, îïðåäåëÿùè ñåáå ñè êàòî "ïîñëåäîâàòåëè íà ëèíèÿòà íà Ìàéñêèÿ ìàíèôåñò", ìåæäó êîèòî Äèìèòúð Âëàõîâ, Âëàäèìèð Ïîïòîìîâ, Ïàâåë Øàòåâ, Õðèñòî ßíêîâ, Ðèçî Ðèçîâ, Ïàíêî Áðàøíàðîâ è äð., îáÿâÿâàò ñúçäàâàíåòî íà ÂÌÐÎ-îáåäèíåíà. Òÿ ðàáîòè â òÿñíî ñúòðóäíè÷åñòâî ñ Êîìóíèñòè÷åñêàòà ïàðòèÿ â Áúëãàðèÿ. Äåéöèòå íà ÂÌÐÎ-îáåäèíåíà áúðçî äåãðàäèðàò äî ðîëÿòà íà ïëàòåíè íàåìíèöè íà Êîìèíòåðíà, êîèòî ñàìî ñëåä äåñåò ãîäèíè ïîñëóøíî ùå ïðèåìàò ðåçîëþöèÿòà ìó çà ñúùåñòâóâàíåòî íà “îòäåëíà ìàêåäîíñêà íàðîäíîñò”, ïîñòàâÿùà íà÷àëîòî íà ñúâðåìåííèòå íåäîðàçóìåíèÿ îêîëî ìàêåäîíñêèÿ âúïðîñ. Ñëåä îùå äåñåò ãîäèíè, âå÷å â äîìèíèðàíèòå îò êîìóíèñòèòå äúðæàâè Áúëãàðèÿ è Þãîñëàâèÿ, ñúùèòå õîðà ùå îðãàíèçèðàò ïðåñëåäâàíèÿ è ìàñîâè óáèéñòâà íà äåéöè è âåòåðàíè íà ÂÌÐÎ. Ñëåä îùå íÿêîëêî ãîäèíè òå ùå áúäàò â îñíîâàòà íà ïðîâåæäàíàòà â Ïèðèíñêà Ìàêåäîíèÿ íàñèëñòâåíà “ìàêåäîíèçàöèÿ" íà ìåñòíîòî áúëãàðñêî íàñåëåíèå. Íÿêîè îò òÿõ, ñðåä êîèòî è Äèìèòúð Âëàõîâ, çàâúðøâàò æèâîòà ñè êàòî âèñøè äúðæàâíè è ïàðòèéíè ôóíêöèîíåðè â ñúçäàäåíàòà â ðàìêèòå íà Òèòîâà Þãîñëàâèÿ Íàðîäíà ðåïóáëèêà Ìàêåäîíèÿ.”
Åòî êàêâî ñî÷àò äîêóìåíòèòå îò àðõèâà íà ïúðâèÿ äèðåêòîð íà Íàðîäíàòà ìèëèöèÿ ñëåä 1944 ã. è âåäíàãà ñëåä òîâà ìèíèñòúð íà âúòðåøíèòå ðàáîòè íà Áúëãàðèÿ Ðóñè Õðèñòîçîâ çà òîçè ïåðèîä. Ïî âðåìåòî íà íàñèëñòâåíàòà ìàêåäîíèçàöèÿ òîé å ïîìîùíèê-ìèíèñòúð íà âúòðåøíèòå ðàáîòè.
Áîãäàíà Ëàçàðîâà, Íèêîëàé Õðèñòîâ Äàðèê ðàäèî
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Øèáàíè êîìóíèñòè.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Feb 6, 2009 0:13:46 GMT -5
I used to be the biggest supporter of yugoslavic prior to 91. I think it could have worked, a union between the south slavs plus Bulgaria, only if outside nations kept away. If a union with yugoslavia happened l think the break up might have cause ww3.
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Post by stambolov2025 on Feb 9, 2009 2:37:55 GMT -5
I doubt Serbia would have cared much if we parted from the league, Slovenia did with little ease, it would have been the same for us. However there may have been a war with FYROM over the whole issue of Macedonians, that still has not been forgotten and it might have been a great way for the communists to attempt to stay in power like the name change campaign.
As far as the question of whether or not we would have been in the EU, frankly who cares. Name one positive thing that has brought to the country.
Honestly whats the point of playing this if game, its this kind of backward thinking that stops us from ushering in the new age of the 21st century.
I say let us look forward to the future to solve whatever grievances we may have with the past.
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Post by stambolov2025 on Feb 9, 2009 2:40:38 GMT -5
This was the reason Bulgaria didn't join Yogoslavia, though it was negotiated by Tito and Dimitrov. And I don't like these IFs, especially concerning history. Nali znaesh prikazkata Joan - Ako Levski beshe s botushi, a Botev s kaska..... Duri i sus kaska i botushi, pak nekoi e shtel da gi preebe. Tova ni e plemovata semka na nas bulgarite, seki za sebesi pa darjavata da si ebe maikata.
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Post by rusebg on Feb 9, 2009 2:46:56 GMT -5
Learn some history, Jacko, especially when it comes to Vasil Levski. No one betrayed him, it was his personal fault he got caught by Turks.
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Post by Kibitzer on Feb 9, 2009 10:16:50 GMT -5
I did not know that Gypsies had some history.
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Atan
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Post by Atan on Feb 9, 2009 11:17:15 GMT -5
kibitzer. Do humanity a favour and throw yourself from the highest building you can find around you. Be good monkey. Humanity doesn't need useless and brainless people as you - imagine the world without such "people" as you! Such a bright and wonderful place full of joy....Almost like Tolkin's Elven Lands.
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Post by rusebg on Feb 9, 2009 14:14:50 GMT -5
Sin, don't be harsh on people with personality disorders.
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Post by Kubrat on Feb 9, 2009 22:55:47 GMT -5
that would have been one hell of a torshia
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