|
Post by diurpaneus on Nov 2, 2007 16:59:53 GMT -5
Janny, what`s with the cuman statue?
|
|
|
Post by diurpaneus on Nov 5, 2007 2:35:22 GMT -5
bump
|
|
|
Post by depletedreasons on Nov 5, 2007 2:45:19 GMT -5
Karachay-Balkar people are related to Cumans and Bolgars. So, I am fond of Cumans. Thus, I like the way it looks. It is one good piece of art.
|
|
|
Post by diurpaneus on Nov 5, 2007 6:15:10 GMT -5
Yes, it`s a piece of art. But I don`t know how good it really is. Now here is a GOOD piece of art:
|
|
|
Post by depletedreasons on Nov 5, 2007 7:49:08 GMT -5
Art could be in many forms. Forms of art, and how they are valued, could differ from one culture to another. I honestly prefer the ones erected by my forefathers.
|
|
|
Post by hellboy87 on Nov 5, 2007 8:15:28 GMT -5
look like Chinamen Jan
|
|
|
Post by depletedreasons on Nov 5, 2007 9:06:07 GMT -5
That is a style in the Asian Art.
|
|
|
Post by hellboy87 on Nov 5, 2007 16:18:39 GMT -5
I meant racially,his face
|
|
|
Post by depletedreasons on Nov 6, 2007 1:55:13 GMT -5
That is not related to a race, it is related to a style in art. I suppose you have not seen any Persian miniature yet.
|
|
|
Post by diurpaneus on Nov 6, 2007 15:23:32 GMT -5
Your ancestors, Janny: Even if I hate to admit it, your ancestors were allied with mine. Here are some interesting quotes: The crusader chronicler Villehardouin recalls the battle of Andrianople where the Roman-Catholic Crusaders were defeated by "locals". Who were these locals? "Johannizza, King of Wallachia, was coming to succour Adrianople with a very great host; for he brought with him Wallachians and Bulgarians, and full fourteen thousand Comans who had never been baptised" (Villehardouin, 92) Nicetas Chroniates tells us that after the Vlacho-Bulgarian rebellion from 1185/1186 was defeated, the rebells fled across the danube and "thus, when the armies of the Vlachs returned, reinforced with their Cuman allies, they found the region undefended and regained not only their old territory but the whole of Moesia" From the ALEXIAD of Anna Comnena : Second Battle with Heresy : The Cuman War : First Crusade (1094-97) "At night a certain Pudilus, a Vlach nobleman, came in and reported that the Comans were crossing the Danube, so the Emperor judged it wise to assemble the leading men among his relations and officers at dawn of day and consult on the steps to be taken. [...] The Comans, however, were shown the paths over the passes by the Vlachs, and by using them crossed the Zygum easily. As soon as they approached Goloë, the inhabitants of that town put the captain of the garrison in chains and handed him over to the Comans, and received the latter with delight and shouts of joy."
|
|
|
Post by depletedreasons on Nov 7, 2007 3:55:08 GMT -5
Interesting post.
|
|
|
Post by diurpaneus on Nov 7, 2007 8:19:07 GMT -5
Janny, what language is this It doesn`t sound like turkish. It sounds like a turcik language mixed with ivrit.
|
|
|
Post by superman on Nov 7, 2007 8:52:37 GMT -5
nice post Diur
|
|
|
Post by depletedreasons on Nov 8, 2007 1:41:14 GMT -5
Janny, what language is this It doesn`t sound like turkish. It sounds like a turcik language mixed with ivrit. It is Cherkes (Circassian) language, which belongs to the Caucasian languages. The largest Cherkess speaking community lives in Turkey. Ubykh branch is practically ceased to exist due to the genocide of 1860s executed by Czarist Russia.
|
|
|
Post by hellboy87 on Nov 8, 2007 3:49:27 GMT -5
no,the statues looks like a Chinamen that was not built by the Persian or any connections with them whatsoever.
The Persians only painted Mongol looking folks
|
|
|
Post by depletedreasons on Nov 8, 2007 4:34:41 GMT -5
Asiatic features exist in Persian, Turkish, Hindu or Chinese art. That stems from interaction amongst artictic movements of the past. There is no such thing like ethnic background of an artistic image. Here are some Hindu samples:
|
|
donnie
Senior Moderator
Nike Leka i Kelmendit
Posts: 3,389
|
Post by donnie on Nov 8, 2007 6:49:19 GMT -5
So that's how Circassian sounds. Interesting; always wanted to hear it, since it is quite unique and supposedly very complex. There's a small Circassian community in north central Kosova consisting of 600 souls; they have also preserved their language, though they also speak Albanian, Turkish & Serbian. Their word for telephone is telebzeguhatz'yk'u.
|
|
|
Post by depletedreasons on Nov 8, 2007 8:28:20 GMT -5
It is pretty common experience to meet Circassians in Turkey. So far, I met numerous people who had Cherkess background. On top of Turkish, the Cherkess people also maintain their own dialects. In some cases, they learn their mother tongue by attending to the courses given at the Cherkess Foundations.
My forefathers are mainly the Karachay-Balkar Turks (there are Kumyk and the Crimean Tatar ancestry as far as I could trace down), and although we are not the Circassians, we emigrated from what the Cherkess people call Circassia back in 1860s.
Our culture is very identical (very tolerant religious customs and great freedom for women,) though the difference stems from the language. We do not know how to speak Circassian even though the Cherkess people usually know to speak at least one of the Turkish dialects.
|
|
|
Post by diurpaneus on Nov 8, 2007 13:59:37 GMT -5
Circassian sounds strange. I confused it with a language related to ivrit (semitic language) because of the way they pronounce H and G.
|
|
|
Post by meltdown711 on Nov 9, 2007 1:51:59 GMT -5
Wow, no offense to to the Cerkez, but thats one of the ugliest languages I have ever heard.
So Im guessing Sulejman Cerkezi was once a member of that community? Good ol' secular-fascist me is glad to hear that his not of Alb blood... ;D
|
|