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Post by tyson on Nov 20, 2007 19:17:58 GMT -5
could this lastname derive from the turkish word for the circassion people "Çerkez / cherkez" ? since circassian muslim muhajirs were brought all over the ottoman empire when the ottomans lost the caucasus region to the russians. most circassions left the balkans before the ottoman empire collapsed, but a small amount of them stayed, particularly in kosovo, but they all got expatriated to the adyghe autonomous republic in the caucasus region of russia, because of the 1999 kosovo war.
could it be possible that there were some circassians in ottoman bosnia who assimilated & married into croatian familes , and gave themselves this lastname in respect to their circassian roots?
i talked about this with my father, and he thinks it could well be true, as he doesnt know if this lastname has any origins in the croatian language.
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Post by fenian on Nov 20, 2007 21:00:58 GMT -5
Circassian muslims were settled in various corners of the Empire upon being exiled by Rusisan tzardom from Caucaussia. They were most intensively settled in Arabian countries such as Jordon, Egypt and Lebanon as following Asia minor. However, an unminoratable number of them were settled in Balkan territory as well especially abouts Kosovo, Bulgaria and Macedonia. Actually, I've heard nothing regarding Circassians brought and settled in Bosnia till now. Besides, Circassians are one of the most difficult nations to assimilate all over the world who still are aware of and practising their own essential culture and lifestyle though having been living among Arabic and Turkish societies for nearly a century. I personally don't presume Circassians are able to get assimilated by Arabs and Turks who are their coreligionists, let alone by catholic Croats.
My views are concering the Circassians in general, there could be some individual exceptions though.
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Post by depletedreasons on Nov 21, 2007 7:55:57 GMT -5
Circassian (Cherkess) is a name collectively used for the Caucasian Muslims. Major Cherkess emigration from Caucasus occurred in 1860s and those were settled in Balkans, Anatolia,Syria, Palestine, and Egypt by the Ottomans.
Those who emigrated to Turkey in 1860s mainly embodied many ethnicities who were deemed by the Russians as the ally of the Ottomans. Those "Muhacir" (Muslim emigrants) included Cherkess, Chechen, Karachay, Balkar, Kumyk, Nogai, Laz, Abhaz peoples.
Today, most of the Cherkess population live in Turkey though there are small groups living in the Middle East and Balkan countries. Cherkess usually speaks Turkish, but they also maintain their mother tongue. Mamluks of Egypt are a mixture of the Cuman/Cherkess stock.
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Post by hellboy87 on Nov 21, 2007 10:31:03 GMT -5
it could be that this person with this last name be of Circassian ancestry.
I mean,even with those stories of them not intergrating and all,this just could be a rare case.
Cherkez,I think was used for as a generic term for Abkhazians,Abazas,Adyghes and Ubykhs.But most applicable to Adyhes.
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Post by tyson on Nov 21, 2007 19:16:30 GMT -5
^ Cerkez is not a rare name among croats tho. its quite common
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Post by depletedreasons on Nov 22, 2007 2:58:07 GMT -5
Hellboy,
Perhaps you should keep your silence on issues you do not have any clue.
Abaza and Abkhazians are usually deemed as the same people.
Ubykh people do not exist anymore as the last speakers (survivors of the genocide) died in Turkey in recent decades.
Circassian (Cherkes) is the general name used for Caucasian Muslims, particularly the ones emigrated from Circassia.
So, the term also applies to the Chechens, Kumyks, Karachay, Balkars emigrated to the Ottoman Turkey.
Adyghe and Kabardins are the ones who generally prefer to use their tribal names rather than broad terms like the Cherkess or the Circassian.
By the way, there is no such thing like "Adyhes".
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