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Post by superman on Nov 28, 2007 9:26:17 GMT -5
I like to hear your story about your name Ottoman.
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Post by benettonsenetme on Nov 28, 2007 10:08:53 GMT -5
Osman Bey was the chief of the Seljuq Sogüt-Kayi tribe, the founder of the Ottoman dynasty. The word 'Ottoman' was the European variation of the word 'Osman'. His tribe had been reinforced by members of other Turkish tribes and ghazi warriors fleeing from the Mongolians in the 13th century. Who knows what turn history would've taken if the Turkic tribes had moved en masse into eastern and central Europe, instead of heading towards Asia Minor. I wonder whether they would have succeded in establishing a powerful state in that region; how Eurasia might have looked today; whether they would have defeated and assimilated the Rus and other Slavs or vice versa. Could be an interesting topic for an alternate history book.
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Post by depletedreasons on Nov 28, 2007 10:17:23 GMT -5
Sorry, Superman. I have forgotten to reply that question you asked in the Romanian forum. Luckily, Benetton said what must be said. I hope you would not mind receiving some karma as apology.
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Post by superman on Nov 28, 2007 12:00:31 GMT -5
you too Janny, thanks beni for complete answer. Well, I have to reply to your question. "Who knows what turn history would've taken if the Turkic tribes had moved en masse into eastern and central Europe, instead of heading towards Asia Minor." First of all I would like to give you an explanation why you headed toward Asia Minor and not Europe Well, the answer is quite simple, in that time Asia Minor was more developed then Europe. Not to mention the Byzant Empire was more powerful and more cultural then West Empire. I tell you if you would have headed toward Europe, well, you would have met Romanians and... you know perfectly well that even Baiazid II tried to enter Romania and the result was not that good for you ;D en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_III_of_MoldaviaHe was victorious in 34 of his 36 battles, and was one of the first to gain a decisive victory over the Ottomans at the Battle of Vaslui. That was quite a record! of that time, now of course our countries are very friendly and supporting eachother. It's interesting that while we had the same population around 1918 now you're 3 times bigger then us! that is quite a huge gap now between us!
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Post by depletedreasons on Nov 28, 2007 12:28:14 GMT -5
Beni, you also received your karma for being helpful. ...and Superman, you Romanians really gave hard time to the Ottomans sometimes. ...but Turkey and Romania are good friends now.
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Post by superman on Nov 28, 2007 13:44:44 GMT -5
yeah I know, I remeber how was Turkey for Romania after 1990, it was the west modern country, it's true that our level of development is similar now.
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Post by ahristos on Nov 28, 2007 13:45:47 GMT -5
greeks have start revolution from romania dragatsani galati 1821
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Post by superman on Nov 28, 2007 14:37:46 GMT -5
yes, because Tudor Vladmirescu was one of the Romanians who helped Eteria
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Post by superman on Nov 28, 2007 14:39:31 GMT -5
ahristos to you love Romania?
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Post by ahristos on Nov 28, 2007 23:52:58 GMT -5
i luv all eus cauntries from romania has start greek revolution Romania wash prosperus cauntry before communists come we never had any truble with u we collaborate 100% today with Romania
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Post by superman on Nov 29, 2007 0:45:33 GMT -5
it's true, plus we sold Romtelecom company (4-5 bn EUR value) to OTE
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Post by donnie on Nov 29, 2007 9:59:23 GMT -5
Were all Sultans of the Ottoman empire blood descendants of Osman/Otman?
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Post by benettonsenetme on Nov 29, 2007 11:25:47 GMT -5
^^Yes. All 36 of them. At several times, many sultans that passed away, abdicated or were dethroned/killed, were succeded by their cousins. Out of the 36 sultans, 30 had non-Turkish mothers. There is a list of the nationality of sultan mothers in the url link. Interesting that some of them were Jewish/French/Venecian. gecmisgelecek.blogspot.com/2007/10/tarih-aslnda-skc-deildir.html
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Post by superman on Nov 29, 2007 12:07:52 GMT -5
what about vlach?
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Post by hellboy87 on Nov 30, 2007 11:16:36 GMT -5
I remembered there were
Greek Ashkenazi Jew Bulgarian Venetian French Serbian Circassian Romanian
I'm not so sure about the number of Turks said by this site.I believe those Turks were Greeks
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Post by superman on Nov 30, 2007 13:40:54 GMT -5
who was romanian?
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Post by benettonsenetme on Nov 30, 2007 18:15:21 GMT -5
Interesting comment I came by in another forum from an Albanian-Turk: ''...Muhammed Ali Pasha´s Army was vastly composed by Mamlukes...Turkic, Circasssian Warriors...he was an Albanian (a Tourkoalvanoi as referred to above by Greeks), originating from the same region where my parents were born... his biggest aim was to reform the entire Ottoman empire and in fact had almost succeeded if he had managed to overthrow the fusty and corrupted regime at the Sublime Porte...the people in Turkey welcomed his (sons) Army as saviours...a person I immensly admire.'' Is that true? www.network54.com/Forum/242894/thread/1119303469/last-1119905138/TURKISH+PRIDE
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Post by donnie on Nov 30, 2007 18:58:41 GMT -5
Interesting comment I came by in another forum from an Albanian-Turk: ''...Muhammed Ali Pasha´s Army was vastly composed by Mamlukes...Turkic, Circasssian Warriors...he was an Albanian (a Tourkoalvanoi as referred to above by Greeks), originating from the same region where my parents were born... his biggest aim was to reform the entire Ottoman empire and in fact had almost succeeded if he had managed to overthrow the fusty and corrupted regime at the Sublime Porte...the people in Turkey welcomed his (sons) Army as saviours...a person I immensly admire.'' Is that true? www.network54.com/Forum/242894/thread/1119303469/last-1119905138/TURKISH+PRIDEFunny you mentioned that; I was recently reading the Albanian translated work of M.Sabry entitled "Muhammed Ali: The Fox And Lion of The Orient". According to Sabry, Muhammed Ali's main dream was the creation of an empire with its centre in Egypt & Syria. If such was the case, his ambition to allegedly 'reform' the Ottoman empire would be as correct as stating that Alexander the Great also only wanted to reform the Persian empire ... not replace it with his own -- otherwise he would have left the centre of the empire in Istanbul. But I might be wrong; it was reported that the Anatolians favored Muhammed Ali over the Sultan due to the High Port's ineffectivity & high corruption at the time. According to Sabry, Ali was a devoted Muslim, and his wish was to spare the Orient its humiliation at the hands of Western colonialism. He wished to create a Muslim empire, incorporating the territories west of Egypt (Barbary) but also those east and north of his realm. He probably saw the High Port as a mere shadow of its former self; a crippled empire which could barely sustain itself, at the mercy of the Great Powers (Britain, France & Russia). Perhaps Ali saw the weakness of the Sultan as a threat to all Muslims. Combine this with a strong ego and desire to establish a name for himself, and you have a hypothetical scenario of a new empire succeeding the Ottoman one. Ibrahim pasha (Muhammed Ali's son or adoptive son) inflicted a heavy defeat on Ottoman forces in the battle of Konya. But as Sabry notes, the great powers although interested in carving up the Ottoman empire, weren't interested in Muhammed Ali's participation in such a carving. It would seem mighty stupid to replace one weaker empire with a stronger one; Muhammed Ali was for instance seriously annoying to the French ... while both of them wanted to fight the growing British influence in this part of the Mediterranean, they viewed their cooperation in different terms; Muhammed Ali wasn't interested in becoming a vassal of the French, but wanted the cooperation to be one of equal partners. And so, ironically, Muhammed Ali turned to the English instead of the French. Muhammed Ali in his correspondence with the Sultan, such as during the campaigns in Morea (Peloponessus), always presented himself as a loyal subject of the Sultan. But according to Sabry, this was nothing more than a mere game, a way to legitimize his ambitions in taking over the territories ruled by the Ottomans -- a way of calming those not prepared for the demise of the High Porte. Hence the word 'fox' in the book's title.
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Post by ahristos on Dec 2, 2007 13:47:45 GMT -5
turks ae crazy the word comes from a german OTTO the-maniac so they follow hem and they become OTTOMANIACS the german crossator have give idea of mame to tataromongolians
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Post by meltdown711 on Dec 2, 2007 14:02:31 GMT -5
^^^^ LOL
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