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Post by meltdown711 on Dec 25, 2007 18:32:15 GMT -5
LOL! Okay
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Post by jerryspringer on Dec 25, 2007 19:21:42 GMT -5
A fool wearing a professors clothes. B1tch (Jenny), get out of here! Your hoax posts are welcome on the dirty roads of Konya, not in this forum!
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Post by meltdown711 on Dec 25, 2007 20:15:08 GMT -5
^^^ Rather uncalled for, I would say...
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Post by jerryspringer on Dec 25, 2007 20:26:47 GMT -5
What do you mean? This is my standard reply to him.
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Post by depletedreasons on Dec 26, 2007 2:28:23 GMT -5
A fool wearing a professors clothes. B1tch (Jenny), get out of here! Your hoax posts are welcome on the dirty roads of Konya, not in this forum! I think, the Scythian-Iranian theory developed by the Eurocentric circles seems to me the only hoax thing around. PS: Streets of Konya is not dirty at all, in fact it is quite clear city, and as a matter of fact, there is bicycle lane all around the city, and public transportation is based upon tram lines.
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Post by jerryspringer on Dec 26, 2007 2:32:23 GMT -5
Jenny, my karma was minus three three minutes ago; and you're the only one online who would bother to put it to affect. Care to explain?
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Post by jerryspringer on Dec 26, 2007 2:37:44 GMT -5
Yes, Jenny, I made a fool of myself there and I would like to apologize to the city of Konya. After I insulted you, I googled Konya and saw photos that resemble Las Vegas, yet the places there are more classy. I don't know how I could have gotten that misconception about the city. I remember Canaris posting something about its poverty, altough it may have pertained to its surrounding area. I also remember Benny and Desire calling the people there for backward, which only strenghthened my belief that the place was crappy.
I should keep true to my practice and research before I open my mouth; and not take what people say, for granted. Now I must research a crappy place in Turkey and affiliate it with you.
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Post by depletedreasons on Dec 26, 2007 3:12:52 GMT -5
Jenny, my karma was minus three three minutes ago; and you're the only one online who would bother to put it to affect. Care to explain? Insulting is not for free, I suppose. ;D
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Post by depletedreasons on Dec 26, 2007 3:16:54 GMT -5
Yes, Jenny, I made a fool of myself there and I would like to apologize to the city of Konya. After I insulted you, I googled Konya and saw photos that resemble Las Vegas, yet the places there are more classy. I don't know how I could have gotten that misconception about the city. I remember Canaris posting something about its poverty, altough it may have pertained to its surrounding area. I also remember Benny and Desire calling the people there for backward, which only strenghthened my belief that the place was crappy. I should keep true to my practice and research before I open my mouth; and not take what people say, for granted. Now I must research a crappy place in Turkey and affiliate it with you. Konya is a conservative place, but in terms of urbanization, it can not be concluded that it is backward.
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Post by depletedreasons on Dec 26, 2007 3:54:09 GMT -5
By the way, let us recall the links between the Turks and Scythians (as well as the ethnic and linguistic background of the Alans). Presently there are no any evidence of the fact that the Sayan-Altaian tribes entered the Tele group. On the contrary, according to the Old Turkic genealogical legends, the Turk tribal unit existed in the Altai. It had been formed before the middle of the 5 century when the Ashina clan (probably practicing the ritual of corpse cremation with horse) migrated to the southern part of the Altai and assumed the name of "Turk" as an ethnicon. In the Altai the rite of burying a human corpse together with a horse was already known at the Scythian epoch. Burials with horse of the first half of the 1 millennium have been recently discovered there (Belyi Bom II, kurgans 12, 14; Bulan-Koby III, IV; Ust-Edigan, kurgan I, burials 3, 15, 22, 23)12ambal.archaeology.nsc.ru/gen-i/Editions/Electronical/Bulletens/Herald/Vol1/Chapter7/Nester.htmMany of the Hun and Turkic tribes had the wolf and various dog breeds as the totem animals and in Turkic languages bo"ru" refers to wolf. Herodotus also mentions the Scythian NEURI, who "turn into wolves once per year.. as a ceremony no doubt. This tribal name is much like the Hurrian NAIRI tribal name. The royal tribes of the Huns had the dragon (LIU-ente dynasty) as their totem like the Medes and royal Scythians. It would only be natural for the royal Scythians to have the half serpent half woman being to be their ancestress with the type of legend Herodotus related about the mating of Zeus with such a mythical "mermaid", which Herodotus calles the daughter of Bor-isten(es).www.stavacademy.co.uk/mimir/scythianterms.htm"It may have been the Avars who dislodged the Hungarians from their original home in Bashkiria beyond the Volga, who then, keeping ahead of the Avars, reached the Carpathian Basin and placed the region under their rule permanently. This much can be taken for granted, that the group of Hungarians that Árpád's people sprang from had spent a long period of time around the middle of the first millennium A.D. some distance on this side of the Volga along the middle reaches of the Don, above the Sea of Azov. Here they stumbled upon an entirely new environment. They already knew how to till land with a plow in Magna Hungaria, but in the new place, named Levedia after one of the Hungarian chiefs, the Hungarians, who were still largely nomadic breeders of animals, encountered agriculturists using a more advanced, heavier plow with iron fittings, a rich horticulture and livestock, buildings and fortified towns indicating permanent residence among the Sarmatian Alans and the Onogurs and Volga Bulgarians belonging to the Turkish ethnic group living here. The Hungarians themselves acquired much from their agriculture and way of life."www.hungarian-history.hu/lib/lazar/zar03.htm There is no common opinion among the modern researchers concerning the origins of the ethnonyms "As" and "Jas". It is also not clear what the language of the Eastern European Ases in pre-Mongol times was. The traditional approach is as follows: Jases, Ases and Alans were one and the same people who spoke an Eastern-Iranic language which is very close to modern Ossetian. However I. M. Miziev and some other researchers surmise that Eastern European as well as the Northern Caucasian Jases (Ases) were a people of the Turkic origin and they could not be genetically relationed to the ancestors of the Ossetians. As a proof of this data on the presence of the particle "As" in the names of Turkic-speaking peoples is quoted. The information of V. N. Tatishchev is also mentioned. He writes that the second wife of Andrey Bogolubsky was Jasynia ("Jas-woman") whom Old Rus?ian chronicles called Bolgarka ("Bolgar-woman"). www.kroraina.com/alan/gilan_uar_net_nasu_ios_summary1.htmlEurasiatic nomadic cultures begin – by definition - with horse-riding. And horse-riding emerges in the steppe area, in the 4th millennium, within the so called Serednyi Stog (= SS) culture, which as we have argued must be assumed as TURKIC. From the SS culture there develops, in the 3rd millennium, the more famous kurgan or Yamnaia (= Y) culture, which must also be assumed as TURKIC. We must now recall that the MAGYAR terminology for HORSE and HORSE RIDING is TURKIC of origin, and is shared by the OB-UGRIC languages.
As ARCHAEOLOGY informs us, at the end of the 3° millennium b.C. a KURGAN group invaded Hungary during the ‘classic’ period of the BADEN culture. As this is the only archaeologically well-attested episode of invasion of the Hungarian territory, we have no alternative as to the conclusion that it was this group, probably TURKIC CHUVASH, which caused the separation of the Magyars from the other Ugric people, at the same time acculturating and guiding them to the Honfoglalás, the conquest of their historical territory. www.continuitas.com/etruscan.pdf It was Zeki Validi who first succeeded in discovering Chorasmian texts in any quantity, and who found a passage in Biruni (in the Introduction to the Tahdid nihiyat al-amakin) which seems to be of decisive importance in forming a judgment about the language of the Alans. According to Validi, the passage in Biruni informs us that the "Alans and As had formerly lived, together with the Pechenegs, around the lower reaches of the Amu-Darya (the Uzboy), and later, after the river had changed its course, they migrated to the coast of the Sea of the Khazars"; Biruni also tells us that "the language of these Alans is a compound of Chorasmian and Pecheneg-Turkish". Validi takes this to mean that the Chorasmians spoke an Iranian language related to Ossetian; he thinks it likely, at the same time, that the language of these Alans, who had migrated to the land of the Khazars, must have differed in some measure from the language of the Caucasian Ossetes. [25] www.kroraina.com/sarm/jh/jh3_1.htmlThe Soviet authors and propagandists are at variance with each other as to the dates during which the Turks existed. According to the Ozbek Sovet Entsiklopediasi (Tashkent, 1971), Turks existed in Central Asia from roughly the 6th to the 16th centuries and again in the 20th. (Entry on Turk). D. E. Eremeev, in Ethnogenez Turok; proiskhozhdenie i osnovnye etapy etnicheskoi istorii (Moscow, 1971) presents, albeit parenthetically, an amazingly garbled bit of misinformation: he mentions attacks on the Byzantine empire by Scythians in the 11th and 12th centuries and, in a footnote, explains that the Scythians were Turks (Tiurk) from the Balkans (p. 75). A misreading of Barthold's Turkestan P. 137www.angelfire.com/on/paksoy/newdast.html
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