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Post by depletedreasons on Oct 17, 2007 5:56:38 GMT -5
New Nations from the Ottoman LandsSince Britain never "occupies" and only "rules", years of rule should be designated for the Ottomans too...not Ottoman Yoke. Mavi Boncuk | New nations from the Ottoman Lands (Years of rule) Europe 1. Turkey 2. Bulgaria (545 years) 3. Greece (400 years) 4. Serbia (539 years) 5. Montenegro (539 years) 6. Bosnia-Herzegovina (539 years) 7. Croatioa –partial- (539 years) 8. Macedonia (539 years) 9. Slovenia –partial- (250 years) 10. Romania (490 years) 11. Slovakia (20 years) Ottoman name:Uyvar 12. Hungary(160 years) 13. Moldova (490 years) 14. Ukraine (308 years) 15. Azerbaycan (25 years) 16. Georgia (400 years) 17. Armenia (20 years) 18. Cyprus (293 years) 19. KKTC (293 years) 20. Crimea (291 years) 21. Poland (25 years) Protectorate Ottoman name: Lehistan 22. Italy-partial- (Otranto) (20 years) 23. Albania (435 years) 24. Belarus (25 years) Protectorate 25. Lituania (25 years) Protectorate 26. Letonia (25 years) Protectorate 27. Kosovo (539 years) 28. Voyvodina (166 years) Ottoman name: Banat Asia 29. Iraq (402 years) 30. Syria (402 years) 31. Israel (402 years) 32. Palestine (402 years) 33. Jordan (402 years) 34. Saudi Arabia (399 years) 35. Yemen (401 years) 36. Oman (400 years) 37. UAE (400 years) 38. Qatar(400 years) 39. Bahrein (400 years) 40. Kuweit (381 years) 41. Iran Western lands (30 years) 42. Lebanon (402 years) Africa 43. Egypt (397 years) 44. Libya (394 years) Ottoman name: Trablusgarp 45. Tunisia (308 years) 46. Algiers (313 years) 47. Sudan (397 years) Ottoman name:Nubye 48. Eritrea (350 years) Ottoman name:Habesistan 49. Djibouti (350 years) 50. Somalia (350 years) Ottoman name:Zeyla 51. Kenya coastal areas (350 years) 52. Tanzania coastal areas (250 years) 53. Chad Northern regions (313 years) 54. Nigeria –partial- (300 years) Ottoman name:Kavar 55. Mozambique Northern lands (150 years) 56. Morocco (50 years) Protectorate 57. Western Sahara (50 years) Protectorate 58. Mauritania (50 years) Protectorate 59. Mali (300 years) Ottoman name:Gat kazasi 60. Senegal (300 years) 61. Gambia (300 years) 62. Gine Bissau (300 years) 63. Guinea (300 years) 64. Ethiopia –partial- (350 years) Ottoman name: Habesistan maviboncuk.blogspot.com/2007/10/new-nations-from-ottoman-lands.html
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Post by chalkedon on Oct 17, 2007 7:13:39 GMT -5
Greece (400 years) ;D bwahanhahaha bwahahahaha !!! I think its missing at least a 2 in front of 400 We need some serous smiley work in here...these icons should be upgraded....
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Post by benettonsenetme on Oct 17, 2007 12:14:17 GMT -5
Ahhhh, them were the days... We were one big family! ;D Too bad Turkey is now a poor hellhole.
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Post by Kanaris on Oct 17, 2007 14:53:58 GMT -5
It's been a bad week for you...now we finally get to own you in soccer..... ;D
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Post by meltdown711 on Oct 17, 2007 15:21:36 GMT -5
Israel -- Byproduct of western colonialism and imperialism... Hungary -- Nation came out of the Astro-Hungarian Empire. Baltic states and Poland -- A protectorate for such a short period of time can hardly be considered "Ottoman land" and nor was "ottoman rule" anything but nominal. These nations are more or less the result of the breakup of the Russian Empire following WWI. Azerbaijan -- Same as above..
Many of the eastern Arab states were also byproducts of western colonial rule and their current form was hardly one that was inherited from the Ottoman government. So in a sense, while they were Ottoman lands at one point, their state came out of British/French rule....
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Post by rusebg on Oct 18, 2007 10:01:57 GMT -5
There is something wrong here. Both with the way the years are calculated and the author of the topic. Canaris, call the game football, will you?
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Post by depletedreasons on Oct 18, 2007 12:44:51 GMT -5
There is something wrong here. Both with the way the years are calculated and the author of the topic. Canaris, call the game football, will you? I did not check them, but I know I could count on a Bulgarian mathematician. ;D How are you Ruse, are you still in the UK?
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Post by depletedreasons on Oct 18, 2007 12:46:22 GMT -5
Hey Canaris, I am not sure about soccer, but the Greek football team deserved to win the game. Congratulations to Hellas.
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Post by diurpaneus on Oct 29, 2007 9:30:22 GMT -5
Janny you know better.... Romania (wallachia, moldavia or transsylvania) NEVER was an ottoman province. We never were a vilayet and had a "pasha" or any other ottoman administration. We paid tribute to the Porte and then had the Phanariote rule.... that`s something else, but we were never part of your Empire. Fact is.... no mosque was EVER build on our lands (except dobrogea.... but that`s another story involving Emperor Mihail Paleologos and the colonization of Seljuks).
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Post by ahristos on Oct 29, 2007 10:19:16 GMT -5
synchronisation of balcans cauntries 1912-13 have eat this monster=osmans if this has happent earlier ur years had to be less but turks never has step in meny parts of greece suli- mani sfakia Ampelakia ect so sultans empire dont means that wash under turkish control some places have pay only taxes to ruler nothink als more
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Post by ahristos on Nov 9, 2007 11:22:25 GMT -5
next is kurdistan
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Post by tyson on Nov 20, 2007 17:56:48 GMT -5
how ridiculous. not a single inch of slovenia was under ottoman turkish occupation. slovenia only suffered plundering/pillaging/looting now and then from the ottomans in the south eastern parts of slovenia, but never occupying. the turks werent even trying to occupy slovenian lands. the turks were too busy sending their armies trying to conquer croatian towns of zagreb, sisak and karlovac. they got very close to occupying karlovac and sisak, but failed. slovenia was protected from ottoman turkish occupation because of the croatian blood that was spilt holding the turks back in neighboring croatia
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Post by Kastorianos on Nov 20, 2007 18:19:52 GMT -5
~500 years of rule in the balkans.
500 years, that threw us hundreds of years backward...500 years that bared us from mental, cultural, societal and economical development making us for a long time, and partially till today, Europe´s taillight.....thats modern Turkeys legacy!
Next to the hundred thousands of massacres and oppressions...
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Post by fenian on Nov 20, 2007 21:11:35 GMT -5
how ridiculous. not a single inch of slovenia was under ottoman turkish occupation. slovenia only suffered plundering/pillaging/looting now and then from the ottomans in the south eastern parts of slovenia, but never occupying. the turks werent even trying to occupy slovenian lands. the turks were too busy sending their armies trying to conquer croatian towns of zagreb, sisak and karlovac. they got very close to occupying karlovac and sisak, but failed. slovenia was protected from ottoman turkish occupation because of the croatian blood that was spilt holding the turks back in neighboring croatia Interesting, I've always been good at history thoughout my sudentship, yet heard almost nothing about a turk-croatian war during ottoman rule in Balkans. Serbs have every right both to sadden and brag about their bloody history under Ottoman yoke, but croats should talk about something else they did in the middle age instead.
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Post by hellboy87 on Nov 21, 2007 11:39:04 GMT -5
was the region of Hadramawt in Yemen ever under Ottoman rule?
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Post by tyson on Nov 21, 2007 22:47:08 GMT -5
Interesting, I've always been good at history thoughout my sudentship, yet heard almost nothing about a turk-croatian war during ottoman rule in Balkans. Serbs have every right both to sadden and brag about their bloody history under Ottoman yoke, but croats should talk about something else they did in the middle age instead. the kingdom of bosnia was a catholic croat kingdom, ruled and inhabited by catholic croats, on historic croatian land. the kingdom of bosnia was formed from land inside the borders of the kingdom of croatia. there was internal problems within the croatian kingdom mainly because of the croatian royal family joining with the hungarian royal family into a joint crown, which caused dis-satisfaction among alot of croats, which caused croats to make a new kingdom in the southeast of the croatian land, which they named after the bosna river which flowed through the territory. the rest of the croatian land came under the joint croatian-hungarian crownland. also the area of todays northwest bosnia between the vrbas, sava and una rivers was known as turkish croatia during ottoman rule, but the name was changed in the 18th century to bosnian frontier from the insistance of the serb oriented vlachs who later dominated the area from mass migrations during ottoman rule, and the area subsequently came under the sanjak of bosnia. bihac and banja luka were both once capitals of the croatian kingdom. croats might of came under foreign domination or fractured into kingdoms or prinicipalities under different names, but the croats were still the ones who were living there, whether it was in the croatian-hungarian crownland, or the kingdom of bosnia, or the venetian republic, republic of ragusa, austro-hungarian empire etc.... the fact is they were the inhabitants of those lands, and those inhabitants fought bloody battles with the turks for centuries. croatian kingdom lost its independance in the 1100's , so the croat inhabited area has gone under different names, but still the same people living there. here is a map of the croatian kingdom in the 800's: now look at the ottoman occupied area in this map: and since you're a turk, you should be an expert on ottoman history. its obvious you need to do some more homework, "Lan"
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Post by ahristos on Nov 22, 2007 11:32:37 GMT -5
balkans took brutal education from turks turkish habits in meny ways are brutal and un europeans customs and turks have spied darkness to balkans also religional diverces islam albs -bosniacs orthodoxe greeks bulgarians rumanians serbs montenegrians fyrom catholics slovenians croatians hungarians- part of serbia voividina
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Post by ahristos on Nov 22, 2007 11:33:43 GMT -5
tamamistan 200 years turkmenistan 1200 years
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Post by fenian on Nov 22, 2007 12:54:02 GMT -5
and since you're a turk, you should be an expert on ottoman history. its obvious you need to do some more homework, "Lan"
The infos and the map you've given have nothing to do with croats. That was Bosnian kingdom's territory where Ottomans conquered and the people there were all called Bogomils, but not Croats. Their religion was way different than catholic faith of Vatican as well as the orthodoxy. Furthermore, the people around that region -you posted maps of- were the most loyalist citizens of Ottomans who accepted Ottoman identity and converted to Islam with their own free willings, but without any considerable battles.
Since you are a hrvat, you are an expert of spreading the BS propagandas of 'hercegbosna' over Bosnia in any platform you join. Take my "matrak" message and try to get satisfied.
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Post by benettonsenetme on Nov 22, 2007 16:17:20 GMT -5
All those years of domination over such a vast and rich region and the inability or the very little effort on the part of the Sublime Porte to improve the life standards of its Christian or Turkish subjects. Look at where other imperialist powers are now and where we are. Thanks to the Ottomans for leaving us with such a great legacy! We are still picking up the pieces that you left behind.
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