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Post by yahadj on Jan 18, 2008 0:36:26 GMT -5
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Post by constantinious on Jan 18, 2008 15:53:22 GMT -5
our begins started with evolution, our end is oblivion and non existence....... no Adam no Allah no heaven no hell no creation..... face it thats your reality stop smoking the hashish of religions..
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Post by meltdown711 on Jan 18, 2008 15:59:46 GMT -5
^^ Im likin this kid.
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Post by yahadj on Jan 19, 2008 4:56:27 GMT -5
our begins started with evolution, our end is oblivion and non existence....... no Adam no Allah no heaven no hell no creation..... face it thats your reality stop smoking the hashish of religions.. Well, brother, if you have been to the other side and you have seen the truth. I mean, if you have clear evidence for what is after life, that is so good for you. I speak for myself. I haven't been and I want to be kind of prepared. As long as you are prepared too, no problem. People need to have some expecations from this life and afterlife. This is an area of personal choice. Each of us have to walk either your way or my way. And everyone will be made aware about the correctness of their personal choices when the end comes. So if that is what you like to believe (don't forget, yours is a belief, too(!)- the belief of eternal gamble, creation by chance, coinsidence, mutation and "the fittest survive") so be it. But let me have my own personal choice of which only me myself will be accountable for. Take care... And be prepared.
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Post by benettonsenetme on Jan 19, 2008 11:12:54 GMT -5
May Turan Dursun's soul rest in peace...
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Post by constantinious on Jan 19, 2008 12:02:11 GMT -5
religion and creationism,are identical. since the late 19th century creationism bobble has been exposed. nowadays only people than intend to ridicule themselves are speaking of creationism, and it aborted fetus " intelligent design".... aside of that believing that Mohamed was a holy man exposing as to the divine wishes,whereas quran explicitly describe his life of vengeance ,murder, war and coercion ,sexism, totalitarianism ,ethnic cleansing and about any crime and sociapathic behavior a man could developed,is a leap outside rationality that you do need religiosity and faith to adhere.. same goes for moses musa or what ever you would like to call it and about every one that pops out from religious doctrines..
and even if all those weren't true, i still would bet my chances to science to live for ever ,and not the arab god.. you do realize that by the mid of our life spam ,science will be in position to transplant exact replicas of every single organ or part of our body ,if necessary or for cosmetic reasons,or simply to expand our life spam to 200 years...... soon afterwards brain biotechnology will make feasible to simply chain bodies when the old one become to old ...
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Post by yahadj on Jan 19, 2008 12:43:45 GMT -5
religion and creationism,are identical. since the late 19th century creationism bobble has been exposed. nowadays only people than intend to ridicule themselves are speaking of creationism, and it aborted fetus " intelligent design".... aside of that believing that Mohamed was a holy man exposing as to the divine wishes,whereas quran explicitly describe his life of vengeance ,murder, war and coercion ,sexism, totalitarianism ,ethnic cleansing and about any crime and sociapathic behavior a man could developed,is a leap outside rationality that you do need religiosity and faith to adhere.. same goes for moses musa or what ever you would like to call it and about every one that pops out from religious doctrines.. and even if all those weren't true, i still would bet my chances to science to live for ever ,and not the arab god.. you do realize that by the mid of our life spam ,science will be in position to transplant exact replicas of every single organ or part of our body ,if necessary or for cosmetic reasons,or simply to expand our life spam to 200 years...... soon afterwards brain biotechnology will make feasible to simply chain bodies when the old one become to old ... Aslan parcasi, it seems you know everything about religion. Wow. But let me tell you are totally ignorant about everything. Well, I don't blame you. I was the same just a year ago or so. I was all about evolution and progress using human intellect. Then I saw the human's limitations. Then I started reading things from the real source. Get literate about religion. Don't rely on some other peoples views. Read Torah, Bible and Kuran for better reference. But keep in mind Kur'an is the only scripture which is intact... May God give your soul a chance to explore his devine truth. Because it is only God who will open your eyes to the light. I hope science doesn't transplant so many things like brains, because then your identity is gone. Science is nothing but copying the nature. So far can only do cloning. Using the DNA for producuing some proteins, later will be able to produce some organs. It might be true that can prolong your life to 200 years. But that doesn't eleminate the fact of death. We are mortal. No matter you like it or not. The only difference will be if we reach to age of 200 years we will most likely be a bunch of demented elders incapable of taking care of ourselves and thus unwanted even by our kids and grandkids. You go and enjoy your 200's. I would rather die as conscious person and not to be burden to my children. Wake up kid prolonging the life is just delaying the fact of death. Nothing can eleminate what the God has imposed on you...
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Post by yahadj on Jan 19, 2008 12:48:16 GMT -5
May Turan Dursun's soul rest in peace... Well I woudn't want to be him. I hope you don't envy him...
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Post by benettonsenetme on Jan 19, 2008 14:05:07 GMT -5
Actually I do envy him. I wish I were as sharp-tongued and as important an expert on Islam as he is. I am now proceeding to edit and expand the awfully-written and short wikipedia article on him. Care to give me a helping hand?
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Post by yahadj on Jan 19, 2008 15:11:36 GMT -5
Well, why not I can help to write a criticisim on him. How is that?
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Post by constantinious on Jan 19, 2008 15:13:38 GMT -5
A you don't know.you believe. knowledge is science.science is evolution.evolution contradicts religion.
B human limitations are biological limitations.religion limitations when they pound onto science.every religion including Islam is full of unscientific assortments.
C god wont give me anything.including allah jesus,jehova the tooth fairy ,budha or krisna,since all are not existent.
D stop using the kid argument.you make a fool of yourself,since am probably older than you.
E you weren't born Muslim.you become a Muslim.upon living in other part of the world you would be of a different religion.turks in general are bad Muslims.one has only to compare them to Saudi Arabia to find out.thats make you Muslim only as a cultural defiant.in scientific language you are a deist.deist cant be of a specific religion unleash he practice it.you can pray kemal ataturk for the chance of modern life turks are enjoying.
F quran as every other religious book are no more articulate than fairy tales story.if a person name alec came up to you today and start preaching being a gods prophet and holder of the divine truth,you would laugh condescendingly and walk away. be honest to yourself ,the only reason you are muslim is: -you were brought up as one -turkeys educational and cultural level are far behind western europe.(otherwise you would be atheist)(amazing how illiterate people claim to be holders of metaphysical truth whereas evolved society deny their existence)
G science will first prolong life through medicine.little after will prolong life indefinetly by replacing essentially every part of the body that dis faction.few decades later will solve the puzzle of neurons and knowledge storing.and finally how to transfer knowledge from a illfainded brain to a young vibrant one. its not prolonging the life of elderly people,but creating eternal youths.
H you may scream and scratch your nails upon brick walls,but you also foresee that the play station 5 youth generation will have nothing to do with religion.they will openly discredit it and question every single of its insane doctrines.
I finally stop preaching of what you don't know.you neither know,no see ,nor have any evidence of god.no,niet nay,notha,yok... so ultimately you have to answer to the question:" how do you know that there is afterlife,god or the snowqueen god...." "how do you know....."
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Post by yahadj on Jan 19, 2008 15:15:13 GMT -5
Actually I do envy him. I wish I were as sharp-tongued and as important an expert on Islam as he is. An expert without even a high school education...
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Post by yahadj on Jan 19, 2008 15:34:18 GMT -5
Ignorance makes you bolder. This guy didn't even have an elementary school education until late age. He got his religious education from some Kurdish teachers because they knew better(?). So that is how he became an expert. In 20th century he gets medieval educatiion an claims he is Islam expert.
I would rather follow real experts of Islam- Turkey has so many ilahiyat faculties with many professors of Islam and for some reason none of them is turning against Islam like this ignorant dude, who interestingly later on even gets the support of TRT- national TV.
Interestingly a guy even without a high school education is eligible to sit for TV program producer exams of the national Turkish TV and no surprise he passes it. He prepares numerous programs in TV claiming expertise in Islam. Something fishy here... It is clear that the secular state propaganda just needs a guy like him. No matter how qualified is he...
Well, now you tell me what makes him a creadible source for expertise in Islam.
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Post by yahadj on Jan 19, 2008 15:56:24 GMT -5
Baby boy, those are cliches I used to use. Too boring... You were told what to believe in your modern school system.
I was born to Muslim parents who didn't practice Islam at all in a non-Muslim country -Bulgaria which was communist state with pro-evolution and dialectic materialism ideology. So I probably know more things aboutyour beloved evolution and scientology.
I agree many Turks are bad Muslims. But not only Turks many Muslim in the world are bad in sense that they know what Islam is about. They have some bits of it whitout the hold of the core of it.
Hashaa. He is our great hero but we don't worship him or at least shouldn't.
wrong! I was brougth up us a comsomol youth (non-believer science worshiper)
Wrong again. I got my elementary and high school education in a socialist country. I only got my medical education in Turkey, which proved to be better than most of schools even in USA (because I had a chance to test it personally- I did Internal medicine residency in USA with many US medical graduates).
Keep dreaming baby. It sounds like fairy tales to me. I am physician and I can tell you for sure that won't happen in this lifetime.
I am looking forward to see that. The only thing that passed the challange of time is the religion. The rest of social establishements waved goodby... There is reason for that... Even your brain is desighned to keep religion alive. You beloved scientist did research on that even if they didin't like the conclusions.
I believe. And you don't. I consider the likelihood for the presence of God valid. Because I can't rule it out. But you just deny it whitout having any evidence to do that. That is not scientific. There is no dogmas in science... Even regarding God!
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Post by constantinious on Jan 19, 2008 16:34:55 GMT -5
"I believe. And you don't. I consider the likelihood for the presence of God valid. Because I can't rule it out. But you just deny it whitout having any evidence to do that. That is not scientific. There is no dogmas in science... Even regarding God!"
science ,and scientific method sugar ,run of hypothesis .hypothesis need visible and actual data. here saying is plain mythology.there is no dogma in science ,and certanly science can rule out metaphysic,but bottom line deist hypothesis need to be proven by deists.sorry,boo,no evidence no god,no need to search for something no evidence about it.
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Post by constantinious on Jan 19, 2008 16:41:08 GMT -5
"I am looking forward to see that. The only thing that passed the challange of time is the religion. The rest of social establishements waved goodby... There is reason for that... Even your brain is desighned to keep religion alive. You beloved scientist did research on that even if they didin't like the conclusions."
really boo.pases the challenged of what time? only in 50 years religion has made obsolete in western hemisphere and rooted out of social and ethical live of many Muslim nations. which time you referring to? a turkish women that has frequent sex,outside marriage, carrier of her own,wares modern dress,receives education,...drives a car(impossible based on religious scholars of saudi arabia)is no Muslim... you know it all too very well... the same woman declarers Muslim..... so which Muslim version is the real one? sorry boo religion is facing in all societies the erosion fro modernity..... look at the turkish Cypriots,they are Muslim also,but do nothing of what Muslim should..
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Post by constantinious on Jan 19, 2008 16:43:35 GMT -5
"Keep dreaming baby. It sounds like fairy tales to me. I am physician and I can tell you for sure that won't happen in this lifetime."
boo,it is already happening.it will be a reality in 20 years top.stem cells boo,stem cells..
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Post by constantinious on Jan 19, 2008 16:45:17 GMT -5
'A you don't know.you believe. knowledge is science.science is evolution.evolution contradicts religion.
Baby boy, those are cliches I used to use. Too boring... You were told what to believe in your modern school system."
sugar boo,evolution is science. you can bang your head on the walls all day long still evolution is a science.not a scientific hypothesis ,science.
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Post by constantinious on Jan 19, 2008 16:49:15 GMT -5
"wrong! I was brougth up us a comsomol youth (non-believer science worshiper) Wrong again. I got my elementary and high school education in a socialist country. I only got my medical education in Turkey, which proved to be better than most of schools even in USA (because I had a chance to test it personally- I did Internal medicine residency in USA with many US medical graduates). "
you were brought up as a Muslim heritaged and Turkic national.boo thats enough to distor your judgment.... french are french and catholic as a culturul defiant ,even if they were never inside a church..... its called culture boo. and culture is 2-3 thousand years of collective memory.difficult to get away from it...
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Post by constantinious on Jan 19, 2008 16:53:11 GMT -5
there is a after life,there is a god,there is hevean and hell,he says...... whats boils down boo, is that you don't know,you couldnt possibly know,you make a irrational jump into space..... you don't know boo..... you believe...... until you prove, you don't know... sorry boo,gods exist only in your mind
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