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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on May 6, 2008 17:16:25 GMT -5
Of course, with Islam it is not the actions that Allah cares about,its the niyet-which means the intention or purpose. If u cover your hair - because Kuran says cover, yet don't really want to distance yourself from men and really wish for their attention (so put on lots of eye make up and give sexy looks to males). Covering your hair loses its purpose.
On the other hand if u open your hair - yet behave modestly eg: just wear a t-shırt and jeans, knowing that you won't be classed as seeking attention, and truely behaving modestly because Allah wishes so then .....
Let Allah judge which of those 2 women's actual intentions are.
Allah is interested in everything because Allah is everywhere.
Modesty:
I would like to point out that nowhere in that passage does it say that a muslim woman must cover their body. It refers to - what your translation calls "beauty" - the private parts that are for a woman's husband (et. al.) only. I would like to point out that a swimsuit neatly covers such parts and ornaments.
33:58-61 states the reason for covering one's body: so as to avoid being harassed by the lustful advances of men; thus in the old world it became customary to cover one's assets. In the modern world, the sight of a woman's body is much more common and does not inflame the unclean hearts of men as it did in ancient times.
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Post by c0gnate on May 6, 2008 18:13:56 GMT -5
Is it true that modesty requires women to shave the bottom of their feet?
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Post by pagane on May 6, 2008 19:03:48 GMT -5
Does this mean your Allah is allowed to observe what people do in their bedrooms?
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Post by c0gnate on May 6, 2008 19:09:28 GMT -5
Does this mean your Allah is allowed to observe what people do in their bedrooms? He is allowed to cover his eyes at the proper moment.
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Post by yahadj on May 6, 2008 22:09:31 GMT -5
Is this mentioned in the Kuran? Also, what interest is it to Allah how women dress? Lastly, could you please define modesty, as it is explained in the Kuran? We can describe modesty very simply as an attemp to keep your "beauties" visible only to close people- your spouse or close family members. A dress that would keep the attention of unwanted observers away from you would help you to maintain your modesty... Different people find different levels of dressing as modest to them... Some go light some go heavy... It is the intention of the person which would make a certain dress appealing or modest... Personally, I think that a sincere intention of modesty combined with some covering is the best way to go... But, it is only Allah to judge who was modest and who was not. It is a part of the test... PEACE
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Post by pagane on May 7, 2008 6:27:57 GMT -5
I see. Except everything else, he is very tactful.
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Post by jerryspringer on May 7, 2008 9:32:10 GMT -5
Yahac, could you please show me where that, which you now have said, is written in the Koran? Furthermore, could you please explain to me why this is the way to go?
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on May 7, 2008 9:53:06 GMT -5
A man and women who are married can do anything that they wish in the bedroom or where they please since if they are married it is deemed halal, I mean as long as both consents.
sex isn't an issue in Islam, in fact if a man cannot satisfy his wife, and it affects there relationship that is a serious ground to divorce him.
As I said and Yahah confirmed its the INTENTION behind every single of your action that Allah looks at.
Anittas the internet is at hand - go and search for where it mentions modesty and intention surah's in the kuran, you will find what u are looking for.
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Post by jerryspringer on May 7, 2008 11:52:14 GMT -5
When I asked Yahac, I was using the internet.
If you confirm that Koran mentions modesty as the way, will you follow its teachings?
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on May 7, 2008 13:48:22 GMT -5
I already do.
Look its like this: If im in the city I dress according to the fashion trend as long as im not showing too much flesh to cause extra attention. If im at the beach Il wear my bikini because everyone else is so I am not causing extra attention.
But If im in the city and wear a very low cut top then Im not being modest. Or If ı go topless at a beach where everyone is in swimsuits again Im not being modest.
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Post by c0gnate on May 7, 2008 14:22:10 GMT -5
Or If ı go topless at a beach where everyone is in swimsuits again Im not being modest. On a typical Turkish beach, most of the young women go topless. Of course, the majority are tourists, nominally Christian.
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Post by jerryspringer on May 7, 2008 15:34:04 GMT -5
I already do. Look its like this: If im in the city I dress according to the fashion trend as long as im not showing too much flesh to cause extra attention. If im at the beach Il wear my bikini because everyone else is so I am not causing extra attention. But If im in the city and wear a very low cut top then Im not being modest. Or If ı go topless at a beach where everyone is in swimsuits again Im not being modest. If we are to follow your logic, then we can assume that you identify modesty as to how you compare to the rest. Therefore, I could argue that if you go to a conservative area where most women cover their head, you would--and now I'm using your own words--cause "extra attention." You would then have to comply to the standard by also covering your hair, so to not cause extra attention, or else you'd be defined as not being modest.
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on May 7, 2008 17:09:12 GMT -5
I would yes, perhaps I would but not with a turban type covering, probably a traditional headscarf. Although I haven't ever been in those circumstances so ı can't say for sure. I would at least try to be covered modestly The only person who I want that kind of attention from is the love of my life I don't want any other man to think of me in that way. and say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husband's fathers, their sons, their husband's sons, their brothers or their brother's sons, or their sister's sons, or their women, or the slaves whom their right hands possess, or male servants free of physical needs, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex; and that they should not strike their feet in order to draw attention to their hidden ornaments. And O ye Believers! Turn ye all together towards Allah, that ye may attain Bliss. The whole paragraph basically says don't draw unnecessary attention.
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on May 7, 2008 17:15:23 GMT -5
Or If ı go topless at a beach where everyone is in swimsuits again Im not being modest. On a typical Turkish beach, most of the young women go topless. Of course, the majority are tourists, nominally Christian. On a typical Tourist beach yes. On a Beach where there are mainly locals it's bikini's all round. look I come from a family where my Grandmother who was about 70 years old at the time, put on a (revealing) swimsuit and lay the sun.. I come from an ultra modern family clothes mean nothing much to them. I'm choosing myself to be closer to my religion by not showing cleavage n stuff to a load of men with there tongues hanging out. Personally its revolting anyway to see a bunch of men like that. I also think women who have to under dress to seek attention are really sad. I can get who I want with just a look or a few words , those that use there bodies don't have the brains. Though those that have brains but choose to dress like that I respect freedom for them. As you see its the Actual INTENTION ı care about more than anything else.
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Post by jerryspringer on May 7, 2008 17:49:54 GMT -5
A beautiful woman can draw attention by just revealing her face and nothing else. Since the paragraph that you posted says that women should hide their beauties, that should also include a beautiful face, I guess. Since you also say that you can get who you want with "just a look or a few words," you would be one of those women that draws that kind of attention. Or as you call it, unnecessary attention; altough I'm not sure what unnecessary means in this case. In that case, you should cover your face.
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on May 7, 2008 18:01:32 GMT -5
u uh the paragraph I posted says: that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof;
Except what must ordinarily..... as in face
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on May 7, 2008 18:03:35 GMT -5
U know what is not necessary and what is.
Btw it also clearly says should draw their veils over their bosoms
specifically stating that cover ur breasts...
also what was necessary to cover in the past - isn't the same as what to cover today.
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Post by julius on May 8, 2008 15:29:40 GMT -5
I was expecting my post to be deleted, and it seemed childish. Let me inform u though that some guys have done stupid acts in the past relying in religion. So Diogenis an ancient greek philosopher castrated himself in order to pleasure God only. What is the response or the limit by religion to acts like this?
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Post by c0gnate on May 8, 2008 16:06:31 GMT -5
So Diogenis an ancient greek philosopher castrated himself in order to pleasure God only. What is the response or the limit by religion to acts like this? He cut off the wrong head.
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Post by yahadj on May 8, 2008 22:11:48 GMT -5
I was expecting my post to be deleted, and it seemed childish. Let me inform u though that some guys have done stupid acts in the past relying in religion. So Diogenis an ancient greek philosopher castrated himself in order to pleasure God only. What is the response or the limit by religion to acts like this? The limit is Qur'an - the word of God. No need to invent new limits or rules. If there is God, of course He would acknowlwdge his believers for the required limits and norms... This guy's stupid act is probably no way pleasing God. That is his own assumption... Only Allah knows the best! PEACE
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