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Post by rusebg on Jul 25, 2009 5:57:13 GMT -5
I have a private message box, Desire. You know what to send there, don't you?
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Jul 25, 2009 6:21:35 GMT -5
a message?
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Post by Patrinos on Jul 25, 2009 6:36:52 GMT -5
I have a private message box, Desire. You know what to send there, don't you? Her cousin's phone-number...?
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Post by hellboy87 on Jul 25, 2009 6:39:26 GMT -5
Again you are an Idiot. 1: My picture isn't there. I look south American - latino You looks South American? Which one? There are lots of Spaniards,Portuguese,Lebanese,Germans,Italians,Poles,French,Japanese,Mestizos,Blacks,Indigenous ones,Mulattos,Zambos,Trios there. Oh! You look Arab,like a North African and West Asian ok? You've shown us a picture of you and even a clip of you on youtube playing around to some robot sound years ago,I remember and you look like a Middle Easterner!
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Post by Patrinos on Jul 25, 2009 7:06:45 GMT -5
^ Desire remember your osman background and order that arnavud itsoglan to get serious...
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Jul 25, 2009 7:10:34 GMT -5
I have been told I look Puerto Rico, Mixed race, Also that I have Egyptian eyes, and J'adore lips I don't need to Identify with any nation other than Turk because that is what I am.
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Jul 25, 2009 7:11:11 GMT -5
I remember my Osmanli background ... but I choose to enforce PEACE (ironic I know)
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Post by hellboy87 on Jul 25, 2009 7:17:21 GMT -5
Puerto Rican?
That depends! There is the Jennifer Lopez Puerto Rican type,and the Rosie Perez Puerto Rican type.And Rosie is mulatto.
By the way,years ago,someone even said HERE in this forum or maybe the old one that you look mulatto.Remember???
I would say a little,but I think you generally look Middle Eastern
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Jul 25, 2009 7:20:08 GMT -5
What people say I look like makes zero difference to what I am and that is Turk.
As for dividing Puerto Ricans into 2 types just shows how ignorant you are, not only about Turks but about many other nationalities.
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Post by hellboy87 on Jul 25, 2009 7:25:30 GMT -5
Its the reality.
When there are several distinct LOOKS in Puerto Rico.Thats why I pointed that out.
Its like when someone say,you look American.And you know there are lots of distinct "American looks":European,African,Indigenous,Mestizo,Northeast Asian among the bigger ones.So what I'm saying is is what the hell do you mean LOOK American? As an example.
The Turk thing,anyone can be.
And yes,you are a Turk in terms of nationality and ethnic ancestry
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Jul 25, 2009 7:28:39 GMT -5
Turkey can be nation Identified as similar to America, the mix of ethnicity's has led us to today's TURKS.
You can find many different types of people with many different backgrounds who also have Turkish ancestry, and therefore choose to Identify as a Turk.
My Laz, and Abaza friends are more Turkish than I am, from the way they speak and behave... so nationalistic.
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Post by hellboy87 on Jul 25, 2009 7:45:50 GMT -5
Yes,but that TURKISHNESS is a NATIONALITY/culture thing.
Every country with large groups of many ethnic groups have some commonness among them when it comes to nationality.Accent for example.
In Malaysia,Malays,Chinese,Indians love going to the mamak to eat roti canai and stuff,but we have lots of cultural differences.When we go out of the country,we identify as Malaysian,but not at home.
The difference with Turkey is because Ataturk TOLD and FORCED the people to say and think they are TURKS by making them adopt Turkish names,banning publications in other languages,banning the establishments of ethnic associations,having the "Citizen,speak Turkish!" campaign across Turkey.Dont forget the infamous "Sun Language Theory" Ataturk pushed=All of you Turks,descend from the batch of Seljuk Turks,Hittites,Phrygians are Proto Turks,Turkce oldest and best language in the world and others.
Also,the goverment spread the ethnic groups all over Turkey so they wont have too many people to be Bosniak or Albanian or Pomak around with,so,with all that,what else to do? Adopt Turkish language etc,and then after a while,a common Turkishness,post Ottoman and REPUBLICAN TURKEY Turkishness developed.
Like I've said,Turkish is a nationality thing and ethnic ancestry one as well
You know,DY,your country is a very very intresting case when it comes to the ethnic assimilation thing.
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Jul 25, 2009 7:56:06 GMT -5
Yes,but that TURKISHNESS is a NATIONALITY/culture thing. Every country with large groups of many ethnic groups have some commonness among them when it comes to nationality.Accent for example. In Malaysia,Malays,Chinese,Indians love going to the mamak to eat roti canai and stuff,but we have lots of cultural differences.When we go out of the country,we identify as Malaysian,but not at home. The difference with Turkey is because Ataturk TOLD and FORCED the people to say and think they are TURKS by making them adopt Turkish names,banning publications in other languages,banning the establishments of ethnic associations,having the "Citizen,speak Turkish!" campaign across Turkey.Dont forget the infamous "Sun Language Theory" Ataturk pushed=All of you Turks,descend from the batch of Seljuk Turks,Hittites,Phrygians are Proto Turks,Turkce oldest and best language in the world and others. Also,the goverment spread the ethnic groups all over Turkey so they wont have too many people to be Bosniak or Albanian or Pomak around with,so,with all that,what else to do? Adopt Turkish language etc,and then after a while,a common Turkishness,post Ottoman and REPUBLICAN TURKEY Turkishness developed. Like I've said,Turkish is a nationality thing and ethnic ancestry one as well You know,DY,your country is a very very intresting case when it comes to the ethnic assimilation thing. Aaa this is where u always make the huge mistake. Ataturk didn't force anybody to take on any names. He didn't change his own name Mustafa Kemal, so this is a new lie you have created for us. (I was waiting for at least two) Ataturk imposed a new law meaning you legally had to take on a Surname, the surname which he took was Kemal. Ataturk did not ban publications in other languages. He enforced the new alphabet using latin characters rather than Arabic ones. Just to clarify Ottomans had their own language that was not understood by Arabs. The Sun language theory was a Theory devised by an an Austrian Serb, Dr Hermann F. Kvergić. Ataturk allowed research to be undertaken into the theory. Ataturk didn't push anybody anywhere, which is why those ethnic groups live in close proximity of each other. What Ataturk did do, was a huge number of reforms to rid Turkiye of its old Ottoman consciousness and develop a link to its ancestry pre-Ottoman period. He abolished Islam from the state, and set about developing the infrastructure of the newly formed country, whilst borrowing European laws to get rid of the sheriat stuff.
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Post by hellboy87 on Jul 25, 2009 8:08:48 GMT -5
WHat Ataturk did ,was a lot of replacements,which fucked up the ppl of the country.He didnt give them gradual change,it was OK! Now its this this this! There! This is us! and so on.
You ever know how many Europeans say Turkey's Europeannes is a faux one? Its desperate,defensive.Of course not all because its been a long time,but there's still some of that.
DY,the goverment did move the ethnic groups around for like 2 reasons:assimilation and re-population of emptied areas.
Ataturk did say that citizens should think of themselves as just Turks.Look at the Andrew Mango bio of him that YOU RECOMMENDED ME years ago.
Sure,it was a Frenchman or a Serb who started it,but the fact that Ataturk pushed it,what does that say? Finns are Turks,Japanese are Turks,Aztecs are Turks,bla bla bla.thats what that theory said.
And yes,the change of alphabet that one can be said to be good,especially if you look at it today.And,I never said Osmanlica was Arabic.I said it had a lot of Arabic words in it.
Well,for a long time I read that the gov. banned publications that are not in Turkish,especially Kurdish.
Ataturk did not adopt Kemal after the surname law was passed.He got Kemal when he was a kid,then he got Pasha,andn he was also referred to as Selanikli Mustafa Kemal before eventually becomiing Mustafa Kemal Ataturk.
The goverment wanted allowed mostly Turkish names and Muslim ones.Kurds werent allowed Kurdish names.
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Jul 25, 2009 8:34:24 GMT -5
WHat Ataturk did ,was a lot of replacements,which f**ked up the ppl of the country.He didnt give them gradual change,it was OK! Now its this this this! There! This is us! and so on. You ever know how many Europeans say Turkey's Europeannes is a faux one? Its desperate,defensive.Of course not all because its been a long time,but there's still some of that. DY,the goverment did move the ethnic groups around for like 2 reasons:assimilation and re-population of emptied areas. Ataturk did say that citizens should think of themselves as just Turks.Look at the Andrew Mango bio of him that YOU RECOMMENDED ME years ago. Sure,it was a Frenchman or a Serb who started it,but the fact that Ataturk pushed it,what does that say? Finns are Turks,Japanese are Turks,Aztecs are Turks,bla bla bla.thats what that theory said. And yes,the change of alphabet that one can be said to be good,especially if you look at it today.And,I never said Osmanlica was Arabic.I said it had a lot of Arabic words in it. Well,for a long time I read that the gov. banned publications that are not in Turkish,especially Kurdish. Ataturk did not adopt Kemal after the surname law was passed.He got Kemal when he was a kid,then he got Pasha,andn he was also referred to as Selanikli Mustafa Kemal before eventually becomiing Mustafa Kemal Ataturk. The goverment wanted allowed mostly Turkish names and Muslim ones.Kurds werent allowed Kurdish names. You see you cannot comprehend what I am saying. Ataturk Adopted the name Ataturk as his surname when he started the Surname reform, before then Kemal was his Lakap. (look it up) 1934 Women given the vote and the right to hold office. Law of Surnames adopted - Mustafa Kemal given the name Kemal Atatürk (Father of the Turks) by the Grand National Assembly; Ismet Pasha took surname of Inönü. Ataturks reforms were not gradual? 1922 - till 1935 is not gradual? Perhaps the implementation wasn't gradual but at that point in history that was what was required. What Europeans say about Turks doesn't concern me, as I do not think of Turks as Europeans, that doesn't mean that you cannot have European laws implemented into the system. Ataturk approved research into the sun language theory which was created by a European man, along with many other theory's proposed to him as he was a man who liked research. The fact that millions of Turks have Muslim names today just disproves your theory that they were forced to have Turkish names. Do you even know what Turkish names are? My name is Turkish, My sisters is unknown, My fathers is unkown, and my mothers is the Muslim equivalent of Eve. Ataturk did not ban Kurdish, that came way after he was dead.
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Post by hellboy87 on Jul 25, 2009 20:16:58 GMT -5
Yes of course Turks have Muslim names
That was or should I say BECOME PART of their culture.Mehmet is still the most popular name for boys in Turkey.Its common to see Ali,Ahmet and those kind of names.
They are not Turkish,but they are part of it,so somewhat Turkish in a way.
Just like in Malaysia,when they see someone whose name is Muhammad,Ahmad,Ali,Abdul etc they think Malay because the "Malays" of Malaysia are Muslim and they even say "Malay name".
But my name Johan,is a real Malay name.Nothing to do with religion and the European version of it.My father has Muslim name,and so did his father and his father too.
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Jul 26, 2009 3:47:37 GMT -5
I hope u have taken the above information and saved it somewhere in order to educate urself about Ataturk. Stop going to anti-Turkish websites for your information.
Mehmet is a Turkish name. Not a muslim one.
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Post by hellboy87 on Jul 26, 2009 9:54:17 GMT -5
They are not anti-Turkish
Well they are to you because they say what you dont want to hear.
The stuff I read are,should I say critical.
Mehmet is Turkish version of Muhammad.
Just like how The Yochanan has varieties in Europe today:John(English),Johan(Swedes,Dutch,Danes)
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Jul 26, 2009 14:18:22 GMT -5
Huseyin is the equivalent of John, I think in Turkish.
True Turkish version. There are also people called muhammed...
mehmet cik is also what soldiers are called by the locals in Turkey.
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