Who is a Turk?

[hellboy87]

ermmm..........why you ask that???

[greek1234]

Oct 29, 2008 5:02:29 GMT -5 hellboy87 said:

ermmm..........why you ask that???

Well you seem not to know that the people of Europe, the Near East and North Africa are all Caucasian. The Turks today are mainly Caucasian, some are still Mongoloid. I believe the people who contributed to the Turkish nation can be called Turks.

[hellboy87]

No no no

Europeans,North Africans,West Asians and maybe the Indians of the Indian subcontinent are classified in racial anthropology as CAUCASOIDS.

Caucasians,are used to denote "white" people you know? People of European descent.

But also for people of the Caucasus.

[Novi Pazar]

^ thats true hellboy

[peccafly]

Sept 3, 2008 11:31:15 GMT -5 Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning said:

FFS Turks are anyone who feels they are Turkish. If they speak Turkish, eat Turkish food, listen to Turkish music, know the cultural rules... thats it they are Turks.
No one cares about ethnicity.

its very true. 100% agree

[hellboy87]

Nov 12, 2008 19:56:31 GMT -5 Novi Pazar said:

^ thats true hellboy

Yep

[pax]

Hellboy, what you are aiming to prove with such infos and claims all regarding the ethnic and racial matters almost in every message you post on this forum?

It's true that there are numerous people having roots from Balkans(me, too) and Caucasian territory in Turkey. 'Turk' term had been used for defining all muslim folks living within the borders of Ottoman empire before the modern Turkey got founded in 1923.

Same approach towards the citizenship conception continued in modern Turkey as well and it was officialized as stabilizing everyone -except the recognized non muslim minorities- living in the country as Turk, without any discrimination based on ethnic issues.

I hope you manage to comprehend this very easy matter shortly and stop spreading such BS in Turkish SF.

[hellboy87]

Well I was just trying get what the wiki page was saying because the facts there are contradictory.They mentioned Turk as a citizen thing,then they talk about DNA and their numbers,which is noting to do with citizenship.

Btw,Turk was used for Muslims in the Balkans,in Anatolia,Turk was used as a derogatory term and ethnic term for those who were culturally Ottoman/Turkish.Turk was used to refer to anything related to the Ottoman goverment and the like

Turk was not used for Muslims in North Africa and areas south of Anatolia.

[Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning]

There are black Turks actually u are so misinformed.. Im so lucky to live in Turkey and see everything 1st hand rather than collect selective garbage from the internet like hellbok

www.biyotarih.com/?p=507

[Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning]

www.afro-turk.org/

[hellboy87]

May 1, 2009 20:38:36 GMT -5 Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning said:

There are black Turks actually u are so misinformed.. Im so lucky to live in Turkey and see everything 1st hand rather than collect selective garbage from the internet like hellbok

www.biyotarih.com/?p=507

Did I say there isnt any Black Turks? Perhaps you havent seen the thread by janny on AfroTurks supporting Hobama

[Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning]

You said there are no ethnic black Turks.

Since there aren't many ethnically pure races left, and because Turks mixed with 10's of different races, we can say there are ethnically black Turks. A child with a black african Father and white Turkish mother, who is born in Turkey, who then goes onto marry another child of the same ethnicity, who then marries another of the same ethnicity (which is what has happened in some areas) are ethnically black Turks.

[hellboy87]

Yes,I said there are ethnic Turks who are Black

Ethnic Turks of Ottoman connection:those in Anatolia are Middle Eastern/West Asian people,and then ethnic Turks of the Balkans who are European(white).Though we still need a confirmation on whether they are indigenous Balkanians who were Turkified because the Gagauz have been proven to have been Turkicized locals by studies.

I got it now,that Turk can be ethnicity and or nationality,those Blacks in Turkey with Turkish blood(ethnic Turkish ancestry) are Turks(as in citizen of Turkey) and also Turks because they have ETHNIC Turkish ancestry.

Those Blacks with only Black ancestry in Turkey,are Turks as in nationality not blood.

[thracian08]

Desire, I agree with you.

What do you mean by "white"? Turkish people are white - Caucasion.
There are "White" Turks that live in Anatolia that are not from the Balkans.

Also, you keep saying Turks look like Greeks, Arabs, and Persians. You are very incorrect. In fact, Turkish people are lighter skinned than Greek people, are not very hairy, have more asian features - rounder faces, higher cheekbones, have straight hair, and do not have long faces - unlike the Greek people.

I also believe the Rum people in central Turkey look different from the Greek people in Greece because they are not ethnically Greek. Anatolian was governed by different city states, and and different groups of people.

Also, it is not if the people from the Balkans are homogenous themselves. The Byzantine Empire was not only Greek you know. There were Greeks, Armenians, Italians, and other people within that Empire.

Back then, no one based anything ethinicity, as nationalism is a new thing which began in the early 1900's in Europe.

There were waives of different people who took over the Balkans and Turkey itself.

[tsompanos]

May 6, 2009 15:53:32 GMT -5 thracian08 said:

Desire, I agree with you.

What do you mean by "white"? Turkish people are white - Caucasion.
There are "White" Turks that live in Anatolia that are not from the Balkans.

Also, you keep saying Turks look like Greeks, Arabs, and Persians. You are very incorrect. In fact, Turkish people are lighter skinned than Greek people, are not very hairy, have more asian features - rounder faces, higher cheekbones, have straight hair, and do not have long faces - unlike the Greek people.

I also believe the Rum people in central Turkey look different from the Greek people in Greece because they are not ethnically Greek. Anatolian was governed by different city states, and and different groups of people.

Also, it is not if the people from the Balkans are homogenous themselves. The Byzantine Empire was not only Greek you know. There were Greeks, Armenians, Italians, and other people within that Empire.

Back then, no one based anything ethinicity, as nationalism is a new thing which began in the early 1900's in Europe.

There were waives of different people who took over the Balkans and Turkey itself.

and then you woke up

[thracian08]

You do not make any sense.

[thracian08]

My point is that no one in any country can be 100% any ethnic group.

I am making a generalization about Turks in Turkey, and that they do not look Greek, Arab or Persian. They look different from these groups of people.

[Vizier of Oz]

May 6, 2009 15:53:32 GMT -5 thracian08 said:

Desire, I agree with you.

What do you mean by "white"? Turkish people are white - Caucasion.
There are "White" Turks that live in Anatolia that are not from the Balkans.

Also, you keep saying Turks look like Greeks, Arabs, and Persians. You are very incorrect. In fact, Turkish people are lighter skinned than Greek people, are not very hairy, have more asian features - rounder faces, higher cheekbones, have straight hair, and do not have long faces - unlike the Greek people.

I also believe the Rum people in central Turkey look different from the Greek people in Greece because they are not ethnically Greek. Anatolian was governed by different city states, and and different groups of people.

Also, it is not if the people from the Balkans are homogenous themselves. The Byzantine Empire was not only Greek you know. There were Greeks, Armenians, Italians, and other people within that Empire.

Back then, no one based anything ethinicity, as nationalism is a new thing which began in the early 1900's in Europe.

There were waives of different people who took over the Balkans and Turkey itself.

Quite correct points.

[raven]

"I am making a generalization about Turks in Turkey, and that they do not look Greek, Arab or Persian. They look different from these groups of people. "

I disagree. There is alot of phenotypical overlaps between Turks and the other ethnic groups around them, as is to be expected.

[thracian08]

There might be overlaps, but generally speaking, those traits that I wrote adhere to those groups of people. I can detect a Greek, Arab or Persian person immediately and can differentiate between the three. I can also easily detect a Turk as well.