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Post by todhrimencuri on Aug 6, 2009 13:23:48 GMT -5
Thats absolutely not true.... however, I am told that a strong portion of the population is made up of Albanian, Bosnian, Tartar and Cerkez refugees. Many of whom have mixed together since they arrived. I have come across a number of Albs who had Tartar or Cerkez mixture in them as well.... which is ironic, since in Kosova, Albanians and Cerkez hated each other.
Anyway, i wanted to ask. I have heard that Turkey created a number of Albanian-speaking villages in TRNC. Is this true? If it is, what villages?
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Post by L0gjICK on Aug 6, 2009 15:49:34 GMT -5
The province of Izmir is claimed to have <75% Albanians ! I think the documentary from Top Channel reported that figure.
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Post by thracian08 on Aug 6, 2009 16:43:07 GMT -5
Yes, I agree with Karugjozi. Izmir's population is a mix of Balkan immigrants. There are many Bosnians and Albanian immigrants there.
I have never heard that they were many Cerkez or Tatar's in Izmir ...
by the way, how come Albanians & Cerkez in Kosova hate each other?
Most of Cerkez and Tatar immigrants live in Eskisehir, Balikesir, and middle of Turkey.
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Post by todhrimencuri on Aug 6, 2009 17:06:42 GMT -5
The period the Adyghs were settled in Kosova was also the period where Albanian nationalism was on the rise, and this nationalism created an ideology that non-Albanians do not have a right to live on Albanian land (meaning settlers, not natives). In this way, attacks started against those who were considered colonizers. Albanians are also a very territorial minded people traditionally, with a tendency towards being closed it... at times, even xenophobic... an inherently defensive complex.
Also, I have heard that cultural differences between Cerkez and Albanians created conflicts... like for instance the common steppe practice of eating horses was seen as an abomination by Albanians, it was considered savage.
Later on, the common Yugoslav practice of promoting "multi-ethnic" Kosova at the expense of an Albanian majority made many Albanians feel angry towards the other minority communities (Slavic Muslims Gorani, Bosnians, Serbs, Turks and Cerkez)
I may have been wrong. A lot of Albanians in Turkey I have come across whether online or at my school said that they had Tartar or Cerkez mixtures in them.
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Post by hellboy87 on Aug 7, 2009 21:39:03 GMT -5
I have read several times that many in Izmir look European.
Not sure about its ethnic make up but I know Bursa has lots of Bosniaks there.
Dont know about Albanian settlements in Turkey
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Post by donnie on Aug 9, 2009 15:57:13 GMT -5
I'm not aware of any great conflict between us Albanians and the Cerkez in Kosova. But a sort of distrust and prejudice has existed. Like Toskali mentioned, the horse-eating tradition was considered an abomination. Likewise, a misconception that Cerkez people sell their children in markets like cattle deepened this prejudice against the Cerkez as wild people. But modern historians believe this wasn't really the case; the Cerkez brought with them their slaves, and would usually sell their slaves' children, pretending to be the children's parent infront of authorities.
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Post by todhrimencuri on Aug 9, 2009 16:27:23 GMT -5
I was reading up on some cases of the communities that lived neighboring each other and they didnt seem to like each other at all...
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Post by donnie on Aug 9, 2009 16:40:57 GMT -5
Doesn't surprise me ... I don't like some of their ilk either Just kidding, but they do seem to be a very religious bunch, atleast in Kosova, they've had a name for being very pious on one side, and quite collaborating with UDBA and the authorities in general on the other side (secret police of YU). Today, the head of the "Justice Party" in Kosova, which is on the religious side, is led by a guy called Sulejman Cerkezi ... coincidence? But today they're a very small community ... 1,000 souls tops .... and most of them seem to be assimilated. I don't think many of them have preserved their highly complicated and odd language.
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Post by Vizier of Oz on Aug 10, 2009 1:12:47 GMT -5
Thats absolutely not true.... however, I am told that a strong portion of the population is made up of Albanian, Bosnian, Tartar and Cerkez refugees. Many of whom have mixed together since they arrived. I have come across a number of Albs who had Tartar or Cerkez mixture in them as well.... which is ironic, since in Kosova, Albanians and Cerkez hated each other. Anyway, i wanted to ask. I have heard that Turkey created a number of Albanian-speaking villages in TRNC. Is this true? If it is, what villages? Izmir is a city of Balkan emigrants, mainly from Greece, Kosova, Macedonia and Bosnia. It is true that some Caucasian Muslims were also settled there together with Tatars.
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Post by Vizier of Oz on Aug 10, 2009 1:32:27 GMT -5
Yes, I agree with Karugjozi. Izmir's population is a mix of Balkan immigrants. There are many Bosnians and Albanian immigrants there. I have never heard that they were many Cerkez or Tatar's in Izmir ... by the way, how come Albanians & Cerkez in Kosova hate each other? Most of Cerkez and Tatar immigrants live in Eskisehir, Balikesir, and middle of Turkey. Since the early 1800s, Izmir and its outskirts have been a significant place of settlement for the Tatar and Caucasian migrants arriving from especially from Caucasus.
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Post by todhrimencuri on Aug 10, 2009 2:29:52 GMT -5
Im surprised to see no Chechens on the list.
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Post by raven on Aug 10, 2009 12:56:15 GMT -5
Yes, I agree with Karugjozi. Izmir's population is a mix of Balkan immigrants. There are many Bosnians and Albanian immigrants there. I have never heard that they were many Cerkez or Tatar's in Izmir ... by the way, how come Albanians & Cerkez in Kosova hate each other? Most of Cerkez and Tatar immigrants live in Eskisehir, Balikesir, and middle of Turkey. Since the early 1800s, Izmir and its outskirts have been a significant place of settlement for the Tatar and Caucasian migrants arriving from especially from Caucasus. hmm I dont think Tatars settled in Izmir significantly, sure some did but not in huge numbers. AFAIK most Tatars settled in Eskisehir and other central regions of Turkey. same with Circassians/Caucasians, most settled in central Turkey but also many settled in northern Turkey. for sure some did migrate to Izmir too, but not in huge numbers.
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Post by raven on Aug 10, 2009 12:58:20 GMT -5
Im surprised to see no Chechens on the list. Chechens are sometimes lumped into the Circassian category. Circassians arent actually a distinct ethnic group, its just a term used to collectively describe a group of different Caucasian ethnic groups.
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Post by chalkedon on Aug 10, 2009 16:09:42 GMT -5
Yes, I agree with Karugjozi. Izmir's population is a mix of Balkan immigrants. There are many Bosnians and Albanian immigrants there. I have never heard that they were many Cerkez or Tatar's in Izmir ... by the way, how come Albanians & Cerkez in Kosova hate each other? Most of Cerkez and Tatar immigrants live in Eskisehir, Balikesir, and middle of Turkey. What is this practice of settleing foreign asian elements to greek cities ? Is this some kind of sick joke ? The same thing in cyprus....now i see izmir. Its one thing to have turkish ppl live there...now i see cerkez, tatars, ect. live there. What a sad sad story.... Since the early 1800s, Izmir and its outskirts have been a significant place of settlement for the Tatar and Caucasian migrants arriving from especially from Caucasus.
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Post by todhrimencuri on Aug 10, 2009 16:29:26 GMT -5
It is a sad story. Christrian empires ethnically cleansed territories they entered into and forced the native Muslims to flee into the Ottoman Empire. Blame Russia for what happened.
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Post by Vizier of Oz on Aug 11, 2009 1:24:47 GMT -5
Since the early 1800s, Izmir and its outskirts have been a significant place of settlement for the Tatar and Caucasian migrants arriving from especially from Caucasus. hmm I dont think Tatars settled in Izmir significantly, sure some did but not in huge numbers. AFAIK most Tatars settled in Eskisehir and other central regions of Turkey. same with Circassians/Caucasians, most settled in central Turkey but also many settled in northern Turkey. for sure some did migrate to Izmir too, but not in huge numbers. Significant does not mean huge numbers, it mainly indicates a systematic relation with the ongoing migration patterns. Tatars arriving from northern territories lost, and Muslims arriving from Caucasus were settled almost everywhere around the Ottoman Empire including Izmir. It is true that the bulk of Tatars were designated to Eskisehir and Konya, but pockets of Tatars kept on settling around Izmir and Western Anatolian towns in line with the Ottoman migration policies. Most of those Caucasian/Tatar settlers in the region were the emigrants who were originally settled in Balkans in the second half of the 19th Century. After the wars of 1877-1878, 1912-19123, 1919-1922, Caucasian Muslims/Tatars who originally arrived to the Balkans were also resettled in the region. Moreover, there were also pockets of Tatars who emigrated to the region through the withdrawal path of Crimea-Romania-Bulgaria-Anatolia.
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Post by Vizier of Oz on Aug 11, 2009 1:28:27 GMT -5
What is this practice of settleing foreign asian elements to greek cities ? Is this some kind of sick joke ? The same thing in cyprus....now i see izmir. Its one thing to have turkish ppl live there...now i see cerkez, tatars, ect. live there. What a sad sad story.... I do not think that there are any Greek cities in Anatolia.
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