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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Nov 7, 2009 22:12:51 GMT -5
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Post by todhrimencuri on Nov 7, 2009 22:16:05 GMT -5
No current theory nor any documents speak of any migration of people into the modern region. The likeliest point of origin of Albanians is in what is today south Serbia/Kosovo/northern Macedonia. For obvious reasons one group promotes this more strongly than another. Most other scholars Ive read into however simply say natives of Albania, from central Albania. The latter is the majority theory. Linguistical links between Romanian and Albanian are simply signs of the two being a related people distantly.
The Romanian argument is pishposh as is the Romanian one. The two are obviously infected by modern political/ethnic squabbles.
On an interesting note, the modern southern Italian city of Brindisi, ancient Brindisium, has been connected to modern Albanian:
Swedish brinde "elk", Latvian briêdis "deer", Lithuanian briedis, "elk", Old Prussian braydis, "elk"[1], Thracian Brendike [1] (which was a Thracian toponym located just east of Dikaia) Albanian bri, brî (pl. brirë, brinë) "horn; antler" [< late Proto-Albanian *brina < earlier *brena][2]. The Messapian word is glossed early as "deer", then narrowed in meaning to a deer's head (cf. Strabo caput cervi), then possibly by metonymy to its antlers in early Albanian, and by extension any excrescence, thus modern "horn".
Brindisi was a Messapian city. The Messapians were a people distantly related to Illyrians and as you can see shared common features with Thracian.
All in all, Illyrians/Thracians/Dacians etc. etc. were a rather related people, especially in border areas.
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Post by insomniac on Nov 8, 2009 1:02:56 GMT -5
It's very possible Dacians were our neighbours.
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Post by Patrinos on Nov 8, 2009 5:50:54 GMT -5
From one toponym that reminds something in albanian you conclude that Messapians were ...albanians....ehmm... Labs...?
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Post by Kassandros on Nov 8, 2009 6:30:24 GMT -5
No current theory nor any documents speak of any migration of people into the modern region. The likeliest point of origin of Albanians is in what is today south Serbia/Kosovo/southern Macedonia. For obvious reasons one group promotes this more strongly than another. Most other scholars Ive read into however simply say natives of Albania, from central Albania. The latter is the majority theory. Linguistical links between Romanian and Albanian are simply signs of the two being a related people distantly. The Romanian argument is pishposh as is the Romanian one. The two are obviously infected by modern political/ethnic squabbles. On an interesting note, the modern southern Italian city of Brindisi, ancient Brindisium, has been connected to modern Albanian: Swedish brinde "elk", Latvian briêdis "deer", Lithuanian briedis, "elk", Old Prussian braydis, "elk"[1], Thracian Brendike [1] (which was a Thracian toponym located just east of Dikaia) Albanian bri, brî (pl. brirë, brinë) "horn; antler" [< late Proto-Albanian *brina < earlier *brena][2]. The Messapian word is glossed early as "deer", then narrowed in meaning to a deer's head (cf. Strabo caput cervi), then possibly by metonymy to its antlers in early Albanian, and by extension any excrescence, thus modern "horn".Brindisi was a Messapian city. The Messapians were a people distantly related to Albanian and as you can see shared common features with Thracian. All in all, Illyrians/Thracians/Dacians etc. etc. were a rather related people, especially in border areas. "South Macedonia"?... you would have been tall dude To get things straight. People leaving in mountainous areas are short and people leave in valeys are tall. You're short.. like Pontians, Georgians and Kazakshtans are. So.. most propably... Caucasus comes in everyones' mind
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Post by kolonia on Nov 8, 2009 7:06:35 GMT -5
You greeks need to start making sense...and improve your english
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Nov 8, 2009 10:04:54 GMT -5
All in all, Illyrians/Thracians/Dacians etc. etc. were a rather related people, especially in border areas. I would think so, but why not include Greeks?
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Post by donnie on Nov 8, 2009 10:19:37 GMT -5
You greeks need to start making sense...and improve your english x2 Basil in particular. Concerning Arsenije's question,. the question of us coming from Dacia presupposes a Romanian/Vlach continuity north of the Danube. This is also why the Romanians persist and insist on this theory as it would confirm their continuity in their current homeland. Problem is that there isn't much to support this, especially in the onomastic field, not to mention the fact that Dacia was under roman rule for a very brief period of time, less so than Britannia which wasn't linguistically Romanized like Gaul for instance. It isnt so plausible that the ancient Dacians got assimilated so quickly ... their lands were soon overrun by various barbaric tribes during the Volkwanderung, culminated by the Slavs' arrival. The Vlachs were to control these lands only later on. This doesn't mean the Dacians weren't related to us. They might have spoken a language related to ours. It is generally thought that the Carpathians are related to the Albanian word karpë, 'rock'. It is also possible that the Slavs borrowed the word vatra ('fire') from them, not necessarely the Vlachs, ultimately from Albanian votër ('hearth').
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Post by Patrinos on Nov 8, 2009 10:46:42 GMT -5
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Post by donnie on Nov 8, 2009 10:51:09 GMT -5
Was anyone speaking of Karpathos? Or do you have this compulsory need to leave a useless mark in every Albanian thread?
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Post by Patrinos on Nov 8, 2009 11:05:09 GMT -5
I just made an hypothesis... may it is generally though by the same that Karpathos was named after ancient Labs...
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Post by PARIS DIO_MYSUS! on Nov 8, 2009 12:57:17 GMT -5
Albanian bri, brî (pl. brirë, brinë) "horn; antler" [< late Proto-Albanian *brina < earlier *brena][2]. The Messapian word is glossed early as "deer", then narrowed in meaning to a deer's head (cf. Strabo caput cervi), then possibly by metonymy to its antlers in early Albanian, and by extension any excrescence, thus modern "horn". [/i] Brindisi was a Messapian city. The Messapians were a people distantly related to Albanian and as you can see shared common features with Thracian. All in all, Illyrians/Thracians/Dacians etc. etc. were a rather related people.[/quote] Both albanians and romanians are similar branches that are descendants and related from same root of Myself Mysians (Messapian-Etrurian) and to My Big Holy Superior Kingdom *MYSIA which includes places such greece, italy, russia, european and all that Mediterranean area. I let you know that the first kingdom in Albania is My Holy Kingdom *MYSJA which called ARBERIA and takes place in those most areas such Durres, Tirana, Kruja, Ishem, Rodon Cape, Lezha, Shkodra and Veneti. Because Celtics are alb-illyrians from north Albania city Scutari (Shkodra) zone Veneti and because they are so special and masters about wood working long time ago I calling them in albanian Druids which means Oak, Trees. Druids=Oak (Celtics) Also because horns during ancient times been used as a emblem of glory, strength, victory or succes for honoring people I called inhabitant of England with special name in albanian Britons (Brian). Britons is pure albanian word which that means Horn Emblem Of Royal Dignity. Bri+ton Bri=Horn ton=Our Royal (Bri-an=Horn Embelm) Word was with God and Word was God. I speak albanian and I am proud that I am from *ALBANIA. That's why because Myself Mysia JESUS The Messiah Am Sun Rise west countries calling my contry Albania. Albania means Sun Rise. (Alba) I Am the Only One Holy Way of True Life! VERILY God is He and *HE always will be Myself, Holy God Sun_MYSUS Christ !!!!! (DioMYSUS=MYSTAGOGIA)
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Post by rex362 on Nov 8, 2009 16:27:36 GMT -5
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Post by todhrimencuri on Nov 8, 2009 17:24:39 GMT -5
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Post by Patrinos on Nov 9, 2009 5:43:51 GMT -5
Thodhoraqi.... i know you have tourkalvaniko mentality but don't show it in every post of yours....
And proof, papa-thodhore, isn't two-three words...thats only to conclude to some hypotheseis... Proof is to have a paragraph in illyrian...read it and understand the meaning... all the other are for proudshqiptar.com....
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Post by Duke John on Nov 9, 2009 9:13:50 GMT -5
Wtf is wrong with you Patrinos, in every thread you attack everything what has to do with albanians, what you really think of your country? lol you aint shit, in european scale your country along with other balkan countries are moust primitives in europe, why dont you go shave your mc´donald eye brows and stop be threaten buy your neighbours when it comes to history and such, your country aind shit and your people aint shit, concetrate for next tourism seson and think some new things for hosting tourists, here is a product to which highest import country is greece! its for nose and ear hair remove! lmao btw do people still use dial modems in greece? lmao...
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Post by L0gjICK on Nov 9, 2009 9:34:18 GMT -5
I don't understand Greeks. They are the wealthiest , if not the wealthiest, country in the Balkans and they have been in EU for almost 30 years, and yet, they still possess the typical Balkan mentality. Look at the likes of Patrinos or Kanaris. There is nothing European about your ideas, you have the typical Balkan attitude. You would think Greece would lead by example and show the rest of the Balkan countries the principles of the EU, but they don't. So much for progress..........
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Post by Duke John on Nov 9, 2009 9:38:51 GMT -5
I don't understand Greeks. They are the wealthiest , if not the wealthiest, country in the Balkans and they have been in EU for almost 30 years, and yet, they still possess the typical Balkan mentality. Look at the likes of Patrinos or Kanaris. There is nothing European about your ideas, you have the typical Balkan attitude. You would think Greece would lead by example and show the rest of the Balkan countries the principles of the EU, but they don't. So much for progress.......... I have been to greece, i have seen and talk with greeks there, and saw how they live, and when they talk about being european and talking about what defines to be european is defenetly absurd.
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Post by monsterofsouli on Nov 9, 2009 9:46:39 GMT -5
I don't understand Greeks. They are the wealthiest , if not the wealthiest, country in the Balkans and they have been in EU for almost 30 years, and yet, they still possess the typical Balkan mentality. Look at the likes of Patrinos or Kanaris. There is nothing European about your ideas, you have the typical Balkan attitude. You would think Greece would lead by example and show the rest of the Balkan countries the principles of the EU, but they don't. So much for progress.......... Really??? You don't think Greece is setting a good example? Surely Greece must be commended for its efforts. You Balkanian folks certainly have much to learn and it gets tiring. ;D ;D
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Post by monsterofsouli on Nov 9, 2009 9:47:27 GMT -5
I don't understand Greeks. They are the wealthiest , if not the wealthiest, country in the Balkans and they have been in EU for almost 30 years, and yet, they still possess the typical Balkan mentality. Look at the likes of Patrinos or Kanaris. There is nothing European about your ideas, you have the typical Balkan attitude. You would think Greece would lead by example and show the rest of the Balkan countries the principles of the EU, but they don't. So much for progress.......... I have been to greece, i have seen and talk with greeks there, and saw how they live, and when they talk about being european and talking about what defines to be european is defenetly absurd. And I am sure it would seem even more absurd in Albania.
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