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Post by albquietman on Nov 10, 2009 18:53:42 GMT -5
thodoraki.. its again that weird situation we were talking about.. You know very well man about Albanian women.. they're like men. And I mean the facial characteristics, the structure of the head, the attitude.. etc etc etc. Ok... dont bring me any pictures from beatifull Albanien women. I know they exist in a tiny percentage. But.. .we all know the trouth.. Dont we? Please.. stop talking about beauty of women.. can you? Stop talking for height.. for inteligence etc etc etc. You're Albanian dude.. remember that. Its getting weird... PS. ..and you're not taller. I was in the Presidential Guard.. and you were at the boy scouts. Its somehow different... ;D ;D come on man.. what are you try to proove here? I'm Macedonian and you're a Ghejk. Isnt it that enough? Thank you Greek part for the height you have at least.. Well, Vasilaki, I lived in Greece for about 5 years, and to tell you the truth, one of the things (between a lot of others) rarely, or spania as you say in greek, you could see a beautiful and sexy woman, and that was in Athens. I don't pretend that I browsed all the streets of Athens, but some of them yes, because of my job (technical support for a video game company), and I was surprised, because Athens was a 4 million people city back then. No wonder that clubs and strip clubs were full of russian girls in a country where prostitution is legal...as for albanian girls, take a trip to Tirana and you'll see the difference with Athens...the albanian girls that these guys post here are nothing compare to of what you see on the streets of Tirana...well, they have that famous Balkanian attitude, but that's another topic...
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Post by insomniac on Nov 10, 2009 18:56:20 GMT -5
2 gothic greek girls i saw in tirana. disgustingly fat.
me and my brother were in an elevator. nightmare
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Post by Kassandros on Nov 10, 2009 19:31:25 GMT -5
thodoraki.. its again that weird situation we were talking about.. You know very well man about Albanian women.. they're like men. And I mean the facial characteristics, the structure of the head, the attitude.. etc etc etc. Ok... dont bring me any pictures from beatifull Albanien women. I know they exist in a tiny percentage. But.. .we all know the trouth.. Dont we? Please.. stop talking about beauty of women.. can you? Stop talking for height.. for inteligence etc etc etc. You're Albanian dude.. remember that. Its getting weird... PS. ..and you're not taller. I was in the Presidential Guard.. and you were at the boy scouts. Its somehow different... ;D ;D come on man.. what are you try to proove here? I'm Macedonian and you're a Ghejk. Isnt it that enough? Thank you Greek part for the height you have at least.. Well, Vasilaki, I lived in Greece for about 5 years, and to tell you the truth, one of the things (between a lot of others) rarely, or spania as you say in greek, you could see a beautiful and sexy woman, and that was in Athens. I don't pretend that I browsed all the streets of Athens, but some of them yes, because of my job (technical support for a video game company), and I was surprised, because Athens was a 4 million people city back then. No wonder that clubs and strip clubs were full of russian girls in a country where prostitution is legal...as for albanian girls, take a trip to Tirana and you'll see the difference with Athens...the albanian girls that these guys post here are nothing compare to of what you see on the streets of Tirana...well, they have that famous Balkanian attitude, but that's another topic... Wrong place. Come in Macedonia.. and mainly in Thessaloniki.. and lets talk again. Athenean girls were never famous for their beauty.. Dude.. I dont know what is going on.. but Albanian girls in Greece are REALLY ugly. Nothing to discuss about. Ugly.. with the common sence of... ugly..ness! Ok.. Russian girls are Godesses! End of discussion! I'm an admirer! ;D PS. .. its a personal discussion between me and Turkalbanians. You're an Albanian. Stay our of it. Nothing of your interest... unless Toskali or Donnie inspires you as "Albanian personas". If they do.. then welcome to the discussion.. ;D ;D
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Post by todhrimencuri on Nov 10, 2009 19:45:47 GMT -5
You stupid piece of shyte! LOL. You think Im having a "discussion" with you? LOL! Your not worth a garlic breath. The day you can have a "discussion" with me is the day my IQ drops to 60.
What a fukin dunce! LOL!!
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Post by monsterofsouli on Nov 10, 2009 19:54:53 GMT -5
2 gothic greek girls i saw in tirana. disgustingly fat. me and my brother were in an elevator. nightmare Did you kill them? ;D ;D ;D
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Post by monsterofsouli on Nov 10, 2009 19:56:38 GMT -5
You stupid piece of shyte! LOL. You think Im having a "discussion" with you? LOL! Your not worth a garlic breath. The day you can have a "discussion" with me is the day my IQ drops to 60. What a fukin dunce! LOL!! Well what are you at right now??? About 69 or 70???
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Post by albquietman on Nov 10, 2009 20:10:27 GMT -5
Wrong place. Come in Macedonia.. and mainly in Thessaloniki.. and lets talk again. Athenean girls were never famous for their beauty.. Dude.. I dont know what is going on.. but Albanian girls in Greece are REALLY ugly. Nothing to discuss about. Ugly.. with the common sence of... ugly..ness! Ok.. Russian girls are Godesses! End of discussion! I'm an admirer! ;D PS. .. its a personal discussion between me and Turkalbanians. You're an Albanian. Stay our of it. Nothing of your interest... unless Toskali or Donnie inspires you as "Albanian personas". If they do.. then welcome to the discussion.. ;D ;D I've been to Thesaloniki, but it was night when I went there, and night when I left...didn't have a chance to see the city and the most important part of it, the girls . I don't know what kind of albanian girls you see there. I left Greece, Athens exactly, more than 13 years ago, and the time I was there, of course I had the curiosity to see how the greek girls looked like, but as I said I got disappointed...but believe me our girls are not as your experience in Greece proved you...as for the russian girls, well, they are one of a kind, but esi prepi na ndrepese gia ta logia sou gia tis rusides, giati eise pandremenos anthropos ...I hope monsterofsuli didn't see them when he was in Greece, because o anthropos ine neopandremenos... .
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Post by coke&broke on Nov 10, 2009 20:31:01 GMT -5
These Greeks are relentless...Now they are comparing the beauty of our and their women, when in reality there is absolutely no contest. The appearance of Greeks can generally be described as; fat, smelly, short, hairy/unibrowed...And that's just their women. I'm not being biased because I also find many south Slavic women to be desirable along with Romanians; but Greek women lag behind their Balkan counterparts....by some distance.
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Post by monsterofsouli on Nov 10, 2009 20:38:07 GMT -5
These Greeks are relentless...Now they are comparing the beauty of our and their women, when in reality there is absolutely no contest. The appearance of Greeks can generally be described as; fat, smelly, short, hairy/unibrowed...And that's just their women. I'm not being biased because I also find many south Slavic women to be desirable along with Romanians; but Greek women lag behind their Balkan counterparts....by some distance. Well I would say the men in Greece are more popular with women around the world than our women are. Women love Greek men. THATS A FACT. TRUST ME.
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Post by todhrimencuri on Nov 10, 2009 22:08:30 GMT -5
An American in Albania:
Wednesday, July 30, 2008 Beauty and The Beast Albanian women are beautiful. There's just no other way to put it. I might be a tad biased as I am married to one and live in the center of Tirana. Every morning and afternoon the tide of students going to and from classes washes over my neighborhood in a surge of young men and women. Come nightfall, the area is alive with clubs, bars, and restaurants frequented by the same youth. And the ladies are dressed to kill.
(Before you condemn me as a chauvinist pig and rail against my sexism, hear me out. Just as any honest discussion of crime or pollution in Albania requires a historical and cultural understanding, so does the topic of gender. Please indulge me as you read this post and save the rage until later.)
This opinion of Albanian women is not mine alone. One visitor remarked in 2000, "Man, what was Enver Hoxha doing here for 40 years? Selectively breeding buxom women with size 4 waists? These girls are incredible!" He was a Navy sailor who had ogled his share of beauties in ports around the world, so he was qualified to comment.
As time passed, I came to understand that not only are Albanian women physically attractive, they are smart. Their evident attention to maintaining their beauty was not shallow and vapid as you might initially think. It comes from someplace deeper. It's the same thing that drives them to excel at academics and in the workplace. What is it?
Whatever the source of women's motivation, it sure doesn't apply to the men. I don't want to say Albanian men are unattractive. First off, I'm straight, which limits my ability and inclination to comment on the physical beauty of another man. Let's just say the effort put forth by women to maintain their appearance is not matched by men. Evidence?
May it please the court to examine Exhibit A: A T-shirt rolled up to just below the nipples exposing a hairy, protruding belly on a hot summer day by a middle-aged man slouched at a table swilling beer next to his immaculately dressed, made up, coiffed wife. This is an extreme example, but to a lesser degree the pattern holds true. The women strive while they guys are just phoning it in.
I got a clue to the reason for this double standard the other day when I heard a neighbor using the phrase "Nje kove uje." It means "A bucket of water." She was responding to her friends' distressed description of her youngest sons' latest indiscretion. The boy was evidently a bit mischievous and had been caught in a compromising positon with a young lady. The boys' mother was worried about damage to his reputation when my neighbor dismissed it with, "S'ka gje - Nje kove uje." It's nothing - A bucket of water. The expression encapsulates the cultural standard of forgiving boys misteps as easily as washing the stain away with a single bucket of water.
Girls, on the other hand, are held to a much higher standard. Protecting their reputation is vital. The slightest hint of impropriety threatens to rain "turp" (shame) down on a girl and her family. From the youngest age girls are admonished to behave properly; to present an attractive, civilized appearance. The daily refrain drills it into their psyche. "Don't play rough, it's shameful." "Don't talk like that, it's shameful." "Don't go outside without brushing your hair? Have you no shame?"
So the male-dominated patriarchal model has been inherited from antiquity. Even the communists couldn't completely eradicate the bias, despite their best efforts to improve the status of women. In theory, all citizens were equal under the regime, but in practice the boys still slid by while girls had to overachieve in order to compete. An average grade of 7.5 on a 10-point scale would get a guy into university or a plum position in the government. Girls needed to have an average grade of 9. The good-old-boy network is alive and well in Albania.
It's this unfair, sexist system that produced the women of today in Albania and the men who maintained and "benefitted" from it are learning about the law of unintended consequences. They've produced a generation of Beauties and Beasts. The women are generally better educated, more disciplined, harder working, and more attractive than the men. They understand the politics of power and use the tools available to them to succeed on a vastly unfair playing field. The guys may be the public faces of power in Albania, but the women are the real source of strength.
And with the opening of Albania to all the economic and educational possibilities the West offers, the men are starting to realize how badly their system has handicapped them. The girls are going off to prosper while the boys pay the price for the image they have created and perpetuate. Albanian men are unfairly sterotyped as lazy, dirty criminals by their European neighbors. However, like most stereotypes, it has some basis in truth. After growing up in an environment that spoiled them, didn't demand much of them intellectually, and forgave their transgressions so easily, what could you expect? Many of them live up to the stereotype and all Albanian men get tarred with this brush.
This would be the part where I would congratulate the girls on getting one over on the guys except for one thing: domestic violence.
A lot of men, rather than recognizing they need to get their act together, vent their frustrations on the women closest to them. The news is full of reports of women killed or brutalized at the hands of their husbands, brothers, or fathers. Here, a woman finally goes to the police after 8 years of abuse, her left eye blackened and swollen, her arms covered in bruises. There, an unemployed man wakes his wife, accuses her of infidelity, and murders her with a rock. When asked why he did it, he claims she must have been cheating on him because she went into Tirana every day - this despite the fact she was the sole breadwinner in the family, going to Tirana to sell eggs. Last year three brothers killed their sister and her lover "to protect the family honor."
In the past, much of this crime was ignored by the police as it was considered a family matter. The good news is, if anything about this can be called good, the view of the people and police is changing. More domestic violence is being reported to the police and acted on. A woman who killed her abusive husband is fighting to have her conviction overturned and public opinion is supportive. Small steps to be sure, but they lead down the right track.
I can only hope this track leads to Beauty taming The Beast.
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Post by donnie on Nov 11, 2009 2:14:01 GMT -5
Here's a description of Albanians in Prishtina by an American blogger; "Alright enough about that the apartment, or flat (like my Irish UN friend Dave would call it), let me tell you more about the city. I was expecting simple people dressed in clothing that you would find fashionable 20 years ago and at that kind of ragged. I also expected the people to be malnourished (I read that Kosova has an unemployment rate of nearly 60%) with all the complexities that that brings such as missing teeth, hunched over, etc. I couldn't be more wrong. People here are dressed in the newest fashions from around the world. In fact it seems that every other shop in the city is either a trendy clothing boutique with a name like "Arsenal" or a shoe store. People here aren't malnourished either. I'm not a tall guy, but I've never really thought that I was extremely short either. Here, it seems that everyone is 6 feet tall, including the women. Most people have extremely good hygiene, at least it seems) and are very attractive looking. Guys, I swear to you when I say this- the women here are downright gorgeous. I'm talking HOT EUROPEAN SUPERMODELS gorgeous. Unbelievably gorgeous actually. And I'm no homo (sorry I'm not a PC type of guy) but the dudes here are some serious studs. There is no real "look" to Albanians (People from Kosova are actually ethnic Albanians). Some have blond hair and blue eyes. Some have dark features with blue eyes. Some have dark hair and features and brown eyes. Some have a typical Russian look. Some have a Mediterranean look. But I swear to you when I say this, it seems as if the largest modeling firms in the world have set up shop in Prishtina and everyone of their models lives in this city. " myexcellentadventures.blogspot.com/2008/09/first-impressions-of-prishtina.htmlPS Greek women look like Greek men ... with slightly more boobs and slightly less facial hair.
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Post by Patrinos on Nov 11, 2009 5:58:06 GMT -5
Do Albos think that we see albanians only in "beatiful shqips" youtube videos...?? ... guys we have plenty here... the majority are triangular faced with not female characteristics, with dirty blond hair... and spots on their sick-look skin... ;D As monster said...Greek men have the reputation... ... i bet there are many guys in Sweden, England, Germany etc that wonder why their Spring born kids are dark haired... ;D ;D
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Post by Patrinos on Nov 11, 2009 6:02:49 GMT -5
And we have eastern block babies in the strip clubs because they are different... you don't marry them...(unless you are 80 years old and you want some months of joy... ;D).... If you want to make family you marry only a Greek lady...or at least south Italian...
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Post by coke&broke on Nov 11, 2009 7:07:10 GMT -5
Do Albos think that we see albanians only in "beatiful shqips" youtube videos...?? ... guys we have plenty here... the majority are triangular faced with not female characteristics, with dirty blond hair... and spots on their sick-look skin... ;D As monster said...Greek men have the reputation... ... i bet there are many guys in Sweden, England, Germany etc that wonder why their Spring born kids are dark haired... ;D ;D Patrinos, I am more inclined to believe the unbiased opinions of Westerners and others who have actually visited Kosova & Albania rather than an ugly, unibrowed Greek troll with an obvious complex. Almost every foreign visitor to Kosova/Albania comments on the beauty of our women and make it a central theme when they are blogging/writing about their experiences in our homeland. I have many friends that visit Greece on a regular basis and not one of them have mentioned anything to do with Greek women...simply because there is nothing to write home about in that department. The same applies to my British and foreign female friends in regards to Greek men...in fact many of them fall in love with Albanian immigrants working in Greece, and avoid Greek men because of their tendency to be "fat, hairy and short."....not my words, but theirs. If Albanians are so "short" and "ugly" why do these foreign toursits feel the need to mention our beautiful women and in Kosova's case the stature of our people, surely the would of just commented on the natural beauty of Albania's landscape and left out the personal appearances of our people? Anyway, this topic has been derailed by a few Greek members who are deeply insulted if anyone dares to compare any general aspects pertaining to Greece/Greeks and consider them inferior in relation to any other Ethnic group....
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Post by Patrinos on Nov 11, 2009 7:18:53 GMT -5
Whats that unibrow... in my whole life i've met a couple of people that had brows like that... lets say its 1 to 5000 Greeks... Because the discussion is ridiculous.... i won't continue... and i vote as the most beautiful women the european venezuelans.... ;D... nice mediterranean beauty... only Mesogeios can give beautiful people...
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Post by EriTopSheqeri on Nov 11, 2009 8:49:17 GMT -5
Almost every foreign visitor to Kosova/Albania comments on the beauty of our women and make it a central theme when they are blogging/writing about their experiences in our homeland. I have many friends that visit Greece on a regular basis and not one of them have mentioned anything to do with Greek women...simply because there is nothing to write home about in that department. The same applies to my British and foreign female friends in regards to Greek men...in fact many of them fall in love with Albanian immigrants working in Greece, and avoid Greek men because of their tendency to be "fat, hairy and short."....not my words, but theirs. lol, in another forum I have spent so many hours helping British and to a lesser extent other foreign girls with traslating and/or Albanian language teaching so they could learn to communicate better with their Albanian partners in Alb. Many of them are either engaged or married now. And quite a few of them had met during vacations in Greece or Cyprus.
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Post by Patrinos on Nov 11, 2009 9:42:39 GMT -5
of course albanian women are the most beautiful in the world... but you've sent all the ugly ones to come to Greece...and we have false impresion....
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Post by EriTopSheqeri on Nov 11, 2009 11:49:16 GMT -5
At least they can still be called women...unlike yours'
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Post by Patrinos on Nov 11, 2009 11:51:24 GMT -5
And if you liked one... i doubt if any Greek lady would go out with an alvano...
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Post by tulip on Nov 11, 2009 12:35:14 GMT -5
of course albanian women are the most beautiful in the world... but you've sent all the ugly ones to come to Greece...and we have false impresion.... Of course that is the case. Most Albanian immigrants in Greece are undeducated poor Southern peasants, the lowest people on the totem pole. The smart educated and attractive Albanians by and large are to be found in the lager metropolitan centers Tirana (which is home to 1/3 of the population) Shkoder, Durres, Elbasan, Vlore, Fier. Even most ethnic Greeks who lived in Tirana came back after trying Greece out. I personally know a few of them. And if you liked one... i doubt if any Greek lady would go out with an alvano... The first girl that asked me out when I moved to NYC was this girl named Athina. I'll let you guess where she was from.
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