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Post by Kralj Vatra on Aug 29, 2009 23:48:24 GMT -5
People, alot of foreign tourists described Portugese as similar to sounding like slavic (i'm not saying that its slavic or whatever) or as a drunken frenchman. EXACTLY. Thanx NOVI! I remember as a kid watching the brasilian series "Malu", and i though it was an eastern european language. In portuguese, such an accent, which is completely alien to anything latin-celtic-germanic-arabic, (which are all the big cultures that had an impact on Iberian peninsula) can be only attributed to the vast migrations of the Alans to Iberia. But Serbian sound like portuguese some time! My mom-inlaw said to me: "(je si li) PIU KAU"?
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Aug 29, 2009 23:52:16 GMT -5
MiG, i will not elaborate more than to note that according to: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_languageen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_languageen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_languagePortuguese is closer to Spanish than french. You only proved is that you are a hateful stupid b itch and nothing more. You jumped like a fart in this thread, cause you smelled you could address me directly? huh? Isnt that you, who said that we should avoid each other, messing in each other's threads, etc?? f ucking hypocritical s lut. not only do you fail to keep your own proposed deals, in addition you get owned almost 101% of the times. loser. That proves nothing you fat c**t. How does it prove nothing you idiot? In the GENEALOGICAL HIERARCHY OF LATIN LANGUAGES Portuguese and Spanish have their most adjacent common parent - Ibero-Romance as a sibling node, (i.e. at the same level) to the parent of modern french - Gallo Romance. Jesus, Miggy, its not a shame to not understand something, simply ask, what is a shame is, for a complete moron like you, to never admit your wrongs. You know, average joes do not have the luxury to be stubborn regarding their .... "ideas" and .... "methods". Apart from explicit scientific approach which is beyond your mental scope of ability, i will give a simple example as to how portuguese accent-wise HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH FRENCH. TONATION. French always put the tone on the LAST SYLLABUS (being in canada, at least you should know that). Portuguese on the other hand have a free intonation on all syllabus depending on the word. How two languages with such a fundamental phonetic difference could be ... similar only mig can explain... The great Queen of ownage answers back.... Seems we have a case here Migyyyy with Portuguese, but how a stupid undereducated villager who is struggling to become a low rate policeman in Canada would know? Haha, Miggy, surely after your departure Bosnia became a better place. idiot.
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Post by srbobran on Aug 30, 2009 0:14:10 GMT -5
Dude, for real?
The Alans didn't really migrate that much to Portugal, rather they settled in southeastern Spain and Andalusia. Anyways, the Alans were an Iranic people, not a Slavic one so I don't see how them speaking a tongue that resembles Slavic could be attributed to an Iranic speaking people.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Aug 30, 2009 0:24:59 GMT -5
Dude, for real? The Alans didn't really migrate that much to Portugal, rather they settled in southeastern Spain and Andalusia. Anyways, the Alans were an Iranic people, not a Slavic one so I don't see how them speaking a tongue that resembles Slavic could be attributed to an Iranic speaking people. Apart from the wiki, i had read a book from Rafaelidis, which said exactly that, that portuguese are alans... 1) NOBODY SAID ALANS SPOKE SLAVIC 2) NOBODY SAID ALANS SPOKE A LANGUAGE RESEMBLING GENERALLY TO SLAVIC I SAID THAT FOR "O U T S I D E R S" (tourists) portuguese SOUND WIERD, almost as an eastern language or even slavic. I think that's 100% precise, not prone to any miss interpretations. Also, note that the Alans may have moved west to portugal, during/after/around the arab invasions... Noticed how andalusia got pretty arabic? Who left from there in order for arabs to fill the blank? PS NOTE ====== Examining internet material about alans, portuguese, spanish, etc... we should bear in mind, that internet is rather a political tool first and second a history source. No western culture, trying to portray itself as .... "western" should like to be connected with ...... OSSETIAN (for instance)... Lets not let the political bias escape our considerations.
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Post by srbobran on Aug 30, 2009 0:58:23 GMT -5
No, you said Portuguese sounds Slavic and that this has to be a direct consequence of the Alanian migrations, I said that's bullshit because it is, if you need more proof, just re read my post.
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Post by gavrilo on Aug 30, 2009 1:12:52 GMT -5
pyrros, i like the cyrilica brate =)
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Aug 30, 2009 3:08:34 GMT -5
No, you said Portuguese sounds Slavic and that this has to be a direct consequence of the Alanian migrations, I said that's bulls**t because it is, if you need more proof, just re read my post. Srbobran, the sentence "SOUNDS SLAVIC" has a DIFFERENT MEANING WHEN APLLIED TO: a) SLAVS b) NON SLAVS SO FOR MOST PEOPLE GENERALLY PORTUGUESE DEFINITELY SOUND LIKE SLAVIC, (+ non-slavs generally dont have an idea about the internals of slavic tangs) FOR YOU, SINCE YOU ARE A SLAV, THIS IS NOT TRUE... Did that fit in your tiny brain? good. Anyways, the issue here is neither Portuguese, nor your's or Mig's personal problems with me.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Aug 30, 2009 3:14:01 GMT -5
pyrros, i like the cyrilica brate =) Thx man! I wanted to write Dobrovoljac in Cirilica as well, but those damn forums cant accept proper unicode encoding...
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Post by Novi Pazar on Aug 30, 2009 7:55:23 GMT -5
The portuguese have alot of 'sh' sounding words like slavic.
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Post by MiG on Aug 30, 2009 11:58:15 GMT -5
Haha Pyrros you crazy senile tool. Relax your tiny little balls. Portuguese is nothing like Spanish, end of story. There is not a mountain of links you can provide that will support your claim. At least listen to Srbobran if not me; he's got the right idea. Novi, Portuguese might have a lot of "Sh" sounding words, but so does Mandarin. Are you willing to say that Mandarin resembles Slavic as well? BTW, Pyrros; Portuguese might not sound like French (Accent-wise), but it sure as hell does have a lot more grammatical and base word commonality than Portuguese-Spanish.
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Post by rusebg on Aug 30, 2009 12:37:28 GMT -5
So? What sort of proof is that? Shall I shout shamelessly 'Novi, shush'?
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Post by srbobran on Aug 30, 2009 15:15:21 GMT -5
I'm not disputing whether it sounds Slavic or not because that's a personal opinion. You said it sounds Slavic and this has to be a direct consequence of the Alans. I told you this was false and I listed a number of reasons.
Small brain? Aren't you the one who explained that the reason the Illyrians adopted Serbian as their language (ie. assimilation) was because Serbian sounds more "fresh"?
Seriously man, WRITING LIKE THIS DOESN'T HIDE THE FACT THAT YOU'RE WRONG.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Aug 30, 2009 23:20:54 GMT -5
Srbobran Admit that you denied: And you denied THIS: Os antepassados caucasianos dos portugueses sarmatas.blogspot.com/2008/04/os-antepassados-caucasianos-dos.htmlwhich is how our dispute was started. Then you threw some of your usual BS, (i guess after hitting the wiki and seeing the picture) that Alans weren't established in Portugal, but in Spain, and did everything in your powers to break my balls for no reason, and for things you apparently dont have a clue, neither were ever of any interest to you. I had happened to have read a book about the races of europe, and it said exactly that about portugal. I happened to remember it and just wrote it. So, with your one liner, you blindly refused what i had read. "no they're not"..... MY INITIAL POSITION WAS NOT THAT : "THE FACT THAT PORTUGUESE SOUND SLAVIC" and "THE ALAN PRESENCE" ARE CONNECTED. My initial position, was that MODERN PORTUGAL HAS A LOT OF THE FOOTPRINT OF the ALAN ESTABLISHMENT. Also, it is funny, that while i CAREFULLY wrote "eastern", you used FIRST the term "slavic" just to make my argument feel more on the wrong side.... pathetic... So, sneakily, you tried to lead me to write something close to "false" (about slav-portuguese phonetic ressemblence) (an area in which of course i would be false if insisted to blindly to support a portuguese-alan-slav connection), by having, before that, denied something well established, like the strong alan footprint (even more in the capital Lisbon as we saw). Of course, i wrote/meant that the WEIRD accent of the portuguese would be attributed to the alans, but also i implied this is just an assumption. (only complete idiots or haters would think otherwise). ADMIT THAT YOU ONLY TRIED TO BREAK MY BALLS, without any REAL interest for the subject. Your credibility is at stake here. PS Judging by your overall presence here, I dont expect you to admit anything.... Of course your simplification again is a complete alteration of my exact thought, but i will answer you: Vlahs, TRADITIONALLY would speak the language of their superiors, so yes, they would turn to slav from latin (romanian) any time of the day. AgroTechnology and Agriculture (in which slavs were experts at the time) had advanced since 100 BC, and vlahs would have a much better chance surviving by gradually leaving the obsolete latin language and adopting the SERB/slav language. THAT IS what i mean by FRESH/ACCURATE..... again your sneakiness makes me wanna throw up. PS2 WHO THE F UCK are those ILLYRIANS anyway? The famous nation for whom we know less than 5 words today? Give me an illyrian break dude.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Aug 30, 2009 23:53:55 GMT -5
So? What sort of proof is that? Shall I shout shamelessly 'Novi, shush'? the way this lady makes her appearance whenever she smells smth going on in the serb camp is almost classic. RUSE, you are one (lady) of a kind!
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Aug 31, 2009 0:21:29 GMT -5
and one one last thought on the Iberian matter:
Considering the proximity of Spain/Portugal, and the inevitable movement of nations between the two areas, in history, also considering the same exact known influences : GERMANIC-ARABIC-CELTIC-LATIN....
How on earth, would ANY OF YOU, explain the distance between the two languages regarding accent but such a close relationship regarding vocabulary? Why Spanish sounds (accent-wise, but mostly TONATION-wise) closer to Italian than portuguese?
Any (other) theories?
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Aug 31, 2009 1:55:59 GMT -5
Haha Pyrros you crazy senile tool. Relax your tiny little balls. Portuguese is nothing like Spanish, end of story. There is not a mountain of links you can provide that will support your claim. At least listen to Srbobran if not me; he's got the right idea. Novi, Portuguese might have a lot of "Sh" sounding words, but so does Mandarin. Are you willing to say that Mandarin resembles Slavic as well? BTW, Pyrros; Portuguese might not sound like French (Accent-wise), but it sure as hell does have a lot more grammatical and base word commonality than Portuguese-Spanish. What has Srbobran has to do with our talk (between me and you) regarding Spanish-Portuguese relation? Srbobran never wrote anything regarding to the relation of Spanish-Portuguese. You are such an idiot, who would cite any argument (written by anyone) against any of my arguments, regardless of context. Mig, do you understand how unlimitedly IDIOTIC was what you wrote? Besides that, did you understand what i wrote about the different subfamilies of latin of French vs (Spanish-Portuguese) you idiot? And if not, specifically which part? Idiot.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Aug 31, 2009 2:57:21 GMT -5
more proof about the installations of ALANS in Portugal: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VandalsLusitania, is literally all the central-southern part of todays Portugal.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Aug 31, 2009 3:03:47 GMT -5
This one goes to MI-GAY (aka MIG) Portuguese is nothing like Spanish, end of story. BTW, Pyrros; Portuguese might not sound like French (Accent-wise), but it sure as hell does have a lot more grammatical and base word commonality than Portuguese-Spanish. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Differences_between_Spanish_and_PortugueseCOME ON, MIG, DEFEND YOUR STUPIDITY.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Aug 31, 2009 3:11:58 GMT -5
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Aug 31, 2009 3:17:08 GMT -5
yet another VLAH-SLAV connection STRENGTHENING my SLAV = MORE VIVID/ACCURATE/FRESH THEORY: Hej SRBOBRANE, cujes li ti? Which Romance language sounds more Slavic? www.antimoon.com/forum/t13953-0.htmAnybody said anything I would be very interested to hear! ;D
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