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Post by fazlinho on Aug 31, 2009 3:51:59 GMT -5
No you have to be a normal person to think that. You just have to be a Serb to think that the whole world is Serb. No, to think like that you can be someone more like the youngest PhD holder in the former Yugoslavia (namely Vojislav Seselj) or maybe some Bosnian Muslim Serb like Mesa Selimovic to think like that, or maybe just someone with half decent logic. Fazlino, the more you know of the medieval Balkans & the more you are able to put things into context the more you realise that you guys really are Poturice. Or alternatively we are all Bosnjani lol. You know what though, that is utter & complete bulls!t... Now Serbia has suffered. We've pretty much lost everything we can in the last 20 years & yet we are still far stronger than you. You had your time in the sun - centuries generating your ethnicity under your beloved Ottomans. Now you are never going to have that again. lol I love that your examples are those 2 people. I know quite a lot don't worry that's why I can say what I'm saying and that's why no one outside of Serbia in historical books speaks about Bosnia as being a Serbian state in a medieval context. You didn't really lose anything in these last 20 years so your heroic statement doesn't make any sense. To be quite honest, our time in the sun is right now and it started 18 years ago, after the great darkness that was when even our name had to be chosen by others.
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Aug 31, 2009 4:09:09 GMT -5
No, to think like that you can be someone more like the youngest PhD holder in the former Yugoslavia (namely Vojislav Seselj) or maybe some Bosnian Muslim Serb like Mesa Selimovic to think like that, or maybe just someone with half decent logic. Fazlino, the more you know of the medieval Balkans & the more you are able to put things into context the more you realise that you guys really are Poturice. Or alternatively we are all Bosnjani lol. You know what though, that is utter & complete bulls!t... Now Serbia has suffered. We've pretty much lost everything we can in the last 20 years & yet we are still far stronger than you. You had your time in the sun - centuries generating your ethnicity under your beloved Ottomans. Now you are never going to have that again. . These guys are actual experts compared to your Bosniak false prophet Noel Malcolm. You do know quite a lot but I remember you weren't aware of quite a few important things at various times. Bosniaks suffered the most in terms of Balkan casualties in the last 20 years. Serbs had the second most amount of casualties. But Serbs suffered the most in terms of loosing land and status. Krajina has been over half cleansed by the Croats & much of Serb land was lost in Bosnia. We ended up with 49% but we were distributed amongst more than that especially through Bosanska Krajina. There are more Serb refugees than any other ethnicity from the last 20 years. I really don't know how you think that. The country must be in the most dysfunctional and dyssunified state it's ever been in. Your beloved Turks are never coming back.
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Post by srbobran on Aug 31, 2009 12:11:29 GMT -5
Pyrros, listen to me, very carefully.
You said that the reason Portuguese sounds Slavic or "East European" was probably because of the Alanian migrations and don't deny this or try to hide it by saying "you never believed it" because on page 1 you can clearly find that you yourself thought it sounded East European.
I said this was false because the Alanians did not speak Slavic.
Of course they had an impact on Portugal, I know this; however, they settled primarily in Spain and the impact wasn't as "vast" and "profound" as you say because few Alans actually stayed in Hispania, rather, most left for North Africa.
Anyways, what the hell does the Romanians purging Slavic words from their vocabulary have to do with anything? The reason the Romanians adopted many Slavic words was not because "we were their superiors" or our language was more "fresh", but because they lived in very close proximity to us, many Slavs were assimilated into their ethnicity (and naturally, they brought some of their language as well), and, Vlachs were under Slavic rule for numerous periods in history.
Quit being so damn insecure, calm down, and learn some grammar.
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Post by Username on Aug 31, 2009 13:08:14 GMT -5
Pyrros,
Stop writing like this it's really annoying as I'm sure you are picking up from my post
Whatever happened to using correct grammar, punctuation and FORMATTING (they're called paragraphs). It makes it really hard to follow your posts. Knock it off please.
Btw, there's a HUGE difference between Spanish and Portuguese. Portuguese is probably THE hardest Romance language to learn... Spanish is the easiest. From what I've heard, they're not mutually intelligible.. no way.
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Post by MiG on Aug 31, 2009 15:19:43 GMT -5
Haha Pyrros you crazy senile tool. Relax your tiny little balls. Portuguese is nothing like Spanish, end of story. There is not a mountain of links you can provide that will support your claim. At least listen to Srbobran if not me; he's got the right idea. Novi, Portuguese might have a lot of "Sh" sounding words, but so does Mandarin. Are you willing to say that Mandarin resembles Slavic as well? BTW, Pyrros; Portuguese might not sound like French (Accent-wise), but it sure as hell does have a lot more grammatical and base word commonality than Portuguese-Spanish. What has Srbobran has to do with our talk (between me and you) regarding Spanish-Portuguese relation? Srbobran never wrote anything regarding to the relation of Spanish-Portuguese. You are such an idiot, who would cite any argument (written by anyone) against any of my arguments, regardless of context. Mig, do you understand how unlimitedly IDIOTIC was what you wrote? Besides that, did you understand what i wrote about the different subfamilies of latin of French vs (Spanish-Portuguese) you idiot? And if not, specifically which part? Idiot. Mwahahaha!! Take it in dude, just take it in. You're wrong, and there is nothing you can do to reverse that shit. No amount of bullshit your write will change it. BTW, "unlimitedly"? That's a word? ROFL!! Good job on showing who the actual idiot is. Haha, you dunce.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Aug 31, 2009 16:13:17 GMT -5
Thats really interesting regarding the Romanians, l suppose of their close proximity to the slavs.
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Post by rusebg on Aug 31, 2009 19:46:56 GMT -5
Yes, Novi. Their very close proximity to Bulgarians. I hope you won't spread Serbian influence to Romanians as well. After all, Beyond-Danubean Bulgaria was something that existed for centuries, most certainly just because there was no 'researcher' like you who would take the chance to claim it as Serbian as you have already done with Sofia, Plovdiv and Varna. Been to library recently?
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Aug 31, 2009 23:39:26 GMT -5
Pyrros, listen to me, very carefully. You said that the reason Portuguese sounds Slavic or "East European" was probably because of the Alanian migrations and don't deny this or try to hide it by saying "you never believed it" because on page 1 you can clearly find that you yourself thought it sounded East European. I said this was false because the Alanians did not speak Slavic.Of course they had an impact on Portugal, I know this; however, they settled primarily in Spain and the impact wasn't as "vast" and "profound" as you say because few Alans actually stayed in Hispania, rather, most left for North Africa. Anyways, what the hell does the Romanians purging Slavic words from their vocabulary have to do with anything? The reason the Romanians adopted many Slavic words was not because "we were their superiors" or our language was more "fresh", but because they lived in very close proximity to us, many Slavs were assimilated into their ethnicity (and naturally, they brought some of their language as well), and, Vlachs were under Slavic rule for numerous periods in history. Quit being so damn insecure, calm down, and learn some grammar. Srbobrane, seriously, you have major problems in the comprehension sector. I will not answer your essay here line by line. How could i answer to your line: "I said this was false because the Alanians did not speak Slavic." HOW THE F UCK on earth could i answer to this line, Srbobrane? Who the f uck EVER SAID THAT ALANIANS SPOKE SLAVIC SRBOBRANE? Who the fu ck EVER SAID THAT SLAV=EASTERN SRBOBRANE? Also you write: "You said that the reason Portuguese sounds Slavic or "East European" was probably because of the Alanian migrations and don't deny this or try to hide it by saying "you never believed it" because on page 1 you can clearly find that you yourself thought it sounded East European." Well, portuguese SOUND EASTERN EUROPEAN TO THE whole non-latin, non-slav world. PERIOD, and yes, having READ IN A BOOK A I TRUST, that portuguese stem from the ALANS i would think there is a great chance that the accent/tonation stems from the ALANIAN impact of alanian established stock in the region. WHAT IS THERE TO HIDE SRBOBRANE??? THE OBVIOUS? 1st off, you are not in any position to tell me to listen carefully, since all you do from page 1, is to listen NON-carefully. 2nd, it all started like remember that portugeuese are eseentially alanians (same tribe as osetians). and exactly after that The info about portuguese as alans, i found in this book: www.greekbooks.gr/BookDetails.aspx?id=114191the author is dead now, so even if you sue him it wont have an impact. PS Oh and as you guess, i would believe him (the author of the book), rather than a person with difficulties in basic reading and comprehension (you). PS2 I can find complete bibliography of the book if you ask me to do so.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 1, 2009 0:10:43 GMT -5
What has Srbobran has to do with our talk (between me and you) regarding Spanish-Portuguese relation? Srbobran never wrote anything regarding to the relation of Spanish-Portuguese. You are such an idiot, who would cite any argument (written by anyone) against any of my arguments, regardless of context. Mig, do you understand how unlimitedly IDIOTIC was what you wrote? Besides that, did you understand what i wrote about the different subfamilies of latin of French vs (Spanish-Portuguese) you idiot? And if not, specifically which part? Idiot. Mwahahaha!! Take it in dude, just take it in. You're wrong, and there is nothing you can do to reverse that s**t. No amount of bulls**t your write will change it. BTW, "unlimitedly"? That's a word? ROFL!! Good job on showing who the actual idiot is. Haha, you dunce. Where does the mouahahah stem from YOU COMPLETELY RIDICULED OBJECT? Seriously idiot, either you believe this sh1t of yours about portuguese being vastly different from spanish or i dont know maybe your helpless brain has entered an endless loop due to a sudden unpleasant experience? Maybe a new shock would bring this pathetic device (your brain) back to normal? (normal for you anyways ;D) Anyways, just to have a little more fun with you: 1st comes again the wiki: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Differences_between_Spanish_and_Portugueseforum.wordreference.com/showthread.php?t=172496In case you really still believe your original paranoia about spanish/portuguese, write an article with "mouhahahas" and "shit" and maybe you will convince the 100s of millions of people who speak portuguese and spanish that they are indeed totally unrelated. Migay, i am awaiting in agony your reply ;D ;D
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Post by MiG on Sept 1, 2009 0:36:56 GMT -5
Wherever you want it to stem from. Whatever floats your boat. Gosh dude, I guess maybe you have the answer for everything? So can you answer me, what exactly is "unlimitedly"? Please, I'm awaiting that little response. BTW, once you give me the right answer, then, and only then, can you say that "this pathetic device" is really a "pathetic device". So numb nuts, do explain to me; What is "unlimitedly"? Maybe I should quote you again to freshen up your memory? I mite take this the wrong way since you're Greek. Either way though, sorry, I don't swing on that side of the fence. Now put your cock away, I'm only having some discussion with you. Thanks, homo. Now, to refer to your article. Your source was: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Differences_between_Spanish_and_PortugueseFirst, and foremost, taken from that article is this little number (Which you obviously missed, because you'd eat a piece of shit if it meant to you that you'd be right); Shall I take a picture and post that? Now, I'll quote what you said on Page Number One. You said... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AlansPortuguese is actually spanish with an accent as they would be spoken by the citizens of modern Ossetia. PS Why are you so firm on things that you didnt even google for? PS2 Also, if the green in the map represents anything greek, then Crete should look like the darkest green, since there live ancient pure greeks. Read the underlined part. I called you out on it, and you STILL cannot prove that, whatsoever. You have not proven that in any way, shape, or form. Haha, calling me an idiot? Dude, re-read what you wrote, at least. Telling Srbobran that he should pay closer attention? Please, re-read what you, yourself, put forth as an argument. What good is posting all your links, all whatever the fuck else you posted, to only find out you're not even arguing about the original statement anymore? Even in your article I can point out as to how Portuguese is immensely and undeniably different than Spanish. Unbelievably different, as to say that they're completely different languages. Man I have no idea why I even argue with you. You're the biggest fucking douche to ever post on these forums. I never denied that they're unrelated? Where exactly have I said that? Find that post, and post that shit. You have said that "Portuguese is actually Spanish with an accent", but you have provided no proof from any source as to support your claim. No proof whatsoever. C'mon Pyrros, I thought you knew your shit. By the looks of how you wrote that shit, you actually believed what you wrote. Now, in all honesty, that brown on your nose can't conceal you forever. So, why not prove me wrong? Prove me wrong by Proving your original statement to be 100% factual. Go ahead, make my day. You said, "Portuguese is actually Spanish with an accent", and I said that you had no idea what you were talking about (Bullshitting). Oh, in agony you must. I bet the smell of shit in your nose is not pleasant one little bit.
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Sept 1, 2009 1:05:12 GMT -5
Guys please, this is about the I2a2 M423 haplogroup, not how Greek & Spanish sound similar because of the "th" sound.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 1, 2009 1:57:07 GMT -5
ok arsenije, only a last post to MIG and i am off of the portuguese issue.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 1, 2009 1:59:39 GMT -5
I never denied that they're unrelated? Where exactly have I said that? Find that post, and post that s**t. ^ Dude what the f**k are you talking about? Portuguese is NOTHING like Spanish. You said, "Portuguese is actually Spanish with an accent", For most people, that's the case, especially regarding written form. On the vocal part, however, there are serious differences in phonetics/tonation and here is where the ALANIAN factor comes to answer this UNIQUE LINGUISTIC PHENOMENON... No other TWO languages IN THE WORLD: - of the SAME linguistic subfamily - of ADJACENT nations geographically sound SO different in oral speech, but so close in written speech. Anyways, they are for the most part mutually intelligible, as witnessed by the respective native speakers.
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Post by MiG on Sept 1, 2009 2:34:45 GMT -5
I never denied that they're unrelated? Where exactly have I said that? Find that post, and post that s**t. You said, "Portuguese is actually Spanish with an accent", I said that Portuguese is NOTHING like Spanish, and it's not. I never said that the two were unrelated. Who are these most people? And you didn't mention this before because? That is way beyond what you started out with. Either way, keep at it. Guys please, this is about the I2a2 M423 haplogroup, not how Greek & Spanish sound similar because of the "th" sound. First off it was between Portuguese and Spanish. Secondly, sure, why not. My job is done here.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 1, 2009 2:50:22 GMT -5
HOW THE F DIDNT I MENTION THAT BEFORE, when i said that portuguese is spanish as would be spoken by OSSETIANS?
for idiots or hypocrites maybe (personally i think you are more of the latter), but since page1 i am saying the same things all over again.
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Post by MiG on Sept 1, 2009 2:54:36 GMT -5
Whatever. You didn't address my point from the get-go. Just continue with whatever else, and whoever else, you want to address (Alans being Portuguese Predecessors and so on).
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Post by fazlinho on Sept 1, 2009 5:13:36 GMT -5
A war criminal and a story writer are your Serb's real experts on the subject. Not that it surprises me a bit. You never stop to learn, what can you do, although personally I've been very happy of the outcome of every single historical dispute me and you had on this forum. There are 5 times more Serbs than Bosniaks so it's not really suprising. To me the loss of human lives compared to the total population is very important, land lost compared to the total land is also very important. In ww2 the death of 6 millions Jews was seen as a greater tragedy than the death of 10 million Russians. Oh, I'll tell you why. I hear talks about ''worst this'' and ''worst that'' since 1992. The most dysfunctional and dyssunified state was during the 1992-1995 period. Even now in 2009 we have far more state institutions than we had in 2006, and their number is bound to grow. Wages are costantly rising, every now and than new buildings are being constructed everywhere. Each time I go down there it looks better and better. A whole lot has to be done but I have every reason to be optimistic. I hope in some years I'll prove with facts that I wouldn't mind living down there, but that's a different topic. As for the political and social position of Bosniaks it's one of the best if not the best in 100 years. No one can ever decide again how to call us, no one can look down upon us again, no one feels to be an error of history or to have some kind of Turkish guilt anymore as 100 years of Serbian books taught us. We have full media, publishing rights. The language status had suprisingly been dealt really quickly, Bosnian is a fully recognized language by ISO, it shares the equal status of both Serbian and Croatian. Your aim has always been to control the life of others, given that that has never been our political aim, just for everyone to have equal rights and not be discriminated anywhere in Bosnia, I'm positive that will be achieved in some years simply because living in the EU I know how it's laws work. And stop living in the past... Serbs talk about Turks more than anyone else in the Balkans, I think deep down you must love them. We don't really need to Turks to improve our status, I don't remember seeing any Turkish army's brigade in Bosnia from 1992-1995 yet we managed to survive. Bosnia will enter NATO, if I'm not mistaken a big OSBiH - NATO joint exercise is being held these days in northern Bosnia, and that's all we need military wise.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 1, 2009 5:29:56 GMT -5
faznilho, seriously in which planet do you live, (or think Bosnia is located anyway)?
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Post by Novi Pazar on Sept 1, 2009 22:02:35 GMT -5
"Yes, Novi. Their very close proximity to Bulgarians. I hope you won't spread Serbian influence to Romanians as well. After all, Beyond-Danubean Bulgaria was something that existed for centuries, most certainly just because there was no 'researcher' like you who would take the chance to claim it as Serbian as you have already done with Sofia, Plovdiv and Varna. Been to library recently?"
Ruse, tell the readers here of how many Bulgarians ancestry is actually VLACH!. Lots of Bulgarisation accurred during the Asens.
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