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Post by zgembo on Jun 19, 2009 10:52:35 GMT -5
Interesting article from the Serbian magazine NIN. Basically, the Swiss Institute for Genetics called Igenea did a study on the genetic structure of nations. Here are their results for Balkan nations:
Serbia: Slavs = 30% Illyrians = 21% Teutons = 18% Celts = 14% Phoenicians = 9% Hellens = 6% Vikings = 2%
Macedonia: Ancient Macedonians = 30% Teutons = 20% Hellens = 15% Slavs = 15% Illyrians = 10% Huns = 5% Phoenicians = 5%
Croatia: Illyrians = 34% Slavs = 20% Celts = 18% Teutons = 12% Phoenicians = 8% Hellens = 8%
Bulgaria: Thracians = 49% Hellens = 15% Slavs = 15% Ancient Macedonians = 11% Phoenicians = 8%
Bosnia & Herzegovina: Illyrians = 40% Teutons = 20% Celts = 15% Slavs = 15% Huns = 6% Thracians = 4%
Albania: Illyrians = 30% Slavs = 20% Thracians = 18% Phoenicians = 16% Hellens = 14% Vikings = 2%
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jun 19, 2009 11:23:13 GMT -5
Does it have Greeks? Also Ancient Macedonians were Hellens.
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Post by Zvone on Jun 19, 2009 11:52:13 GMT -5
I hope they tested 2,000 people in 50 different areas.
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Post by radovic on Jun 19, 2009 11:59:46 GMT -5
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Post by srbobran on Jun 19, 2009 12:08:27 GMT -5
The test result are kinda skewed in my opinion. I mean, what defines a Teuton gene for example? Its simply a stupid way of defining genetics. This is much more accurate and reflects on Serbia's actual genetic composition rather than some vague groupings. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-DNA_haplogroups_by_ethnic_groups
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Post by Lib-Fier on Jun 19, 2009 12:38:33 GMT -5
so there are no slavic countries??? the slav gene is basically embedded in the genepool? albs 20% slavs? we're closer to slavs than greeks?? macedonian are 30% ancient macs? that's a piss take.
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Post by chalkedon on Jun 19, 2009 12:44:09 GMT -5
well... we agree on something. These tests are extremely flawed, same a egenea's. Im not a rocket scientist, but last time i checked they never did find ancient macedonians to make te comparison. ( no skeletons/mummies = no dna extraction )
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Post by zgembo on Jun 19, 2009 13:16:48 GMT -5
No test can be perfect, and the easiest thing is to carp about the details and by that dismiss everything. The results are still in line with some of the dominant theories... i.e. that the Illyrian gene is strongest in Bosnia and Croatia... and that we are all incredibly mixed, and owe most of our identity to language and religion.
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Post by ioan on Jun 19, 2009 13:32:33 GMT -5
According to this, Bulgaria should rename itself to Thrace . Except that: shouldnt Serbia have "Thracian genes" through the Triballians? Also shouldnt fyrom have "Thracian genes" through the Peonians? Except that there was a Celtic kingdome in Bulgaria that lasted over 100 years but only the others have celtic genes? Shouldnt there be a Bulgar gene? There are kind of alot of questions here.
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Post by chalkedon on Jun 19, 2009 13:36:56 GMT -5
No test can be perfect, and the easiest thing is to carp about the details and by that dismiss everything. The results are still in line with some of the dominant theories... i.e. that the Illyrian gene is strongest in Bosnia and Croatia... and that we are all incredibly mixed, and owe most of our identity to language and religion. where did they find illyrians to test them ? Thats what im trying to say...to make a comparison you have to get it from both. I agree with you on your last sentence...not incredibly mixed but mixed.....
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Post by chalkedon on Jun 19, 2009 13:39:10 GMT -5
According to this, Bulgaria should rename itself to Thrace . Except that: shouldnt Serbia have "Thracian genes" through the Triballians? Also shouldnt fyrom have "Thracian genes" through the Peonians? Except that there was a Celtic kingdome in Bulgaria that lasted over 100 years but only the others have celtic genes? Shouldnt there be a Bulgar gene? There are kind of alot of questions here. its mere speculation...and flawed. The " macedonians " on the list are the ones defined during the late last century.
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Post by insomniac on Jun 19, 2009 13:46:27 GMT -5
Albanians are more Slavic than Croats, Bosnians, Bulgarians and Macedonians?
Great study.
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Jun 19, 2009 14:03:00 GMT -5
LOL
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Post by ioan on Jun 19, 2009 14:06:43 GMT -5
Albanians are more Slavic than Croats, Bosnians, Bulgarians and Macedonians? Great study. yes, thats strange...
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Jun 19, 2009 14:10:52 GMT -5
The test result are kinda skewed in my opinion. I mean, what defines a Teuton gene for example? Its simply a stupid way of defining genetics. This is much more accurate and reflects on Serbia's actual genetic composition rather than some vague groupings. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-DNA_haplogroups_by_ethnic_groupsThe majority of sample populations are below 100. That sounds very unreliable to me.
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Post by rusebg on Jun 19, 2009 16:49:37 GMT -5
Brilliant study More ancient macedonians than Bulgars (actually no Bulgars at all) in our genes... Isn't it Pyrro who ate rotten gyrro who made this survey?
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Post by srbobran on Jun 19, 2009 17:12:35 GMT -5
From the source: European genetic landscape were explored based on a high-resolution Y chromosome analysis involving 681 males from seven populations in the region. Paternal lineages present in SEE were compared with previously published data from 81 western Eurasian populations and 5,017 Y chromosome samples Anyways, this IGNEA crap is clearly extremely flawed. What the hell is a "teutonic" gene anyways? And why doesn't Serbia have any Thracian genes (despite the fact that half of Serbia was populated by Thracians and Thraco-Illyrians)? Why and how does an "ancient Macedonian" gene differ from a "Hellenic" one? I want to see the exact haplogroups, the exact DNA results from these tests Igenea did and not some abstract, extremely vague ethnic groupings. Its utterly retarded. Again, here it is: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-DNA_haplogroups_by_ethnic_groupsDone by a very reputable organization.
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Post by Novus Dis on Jun 19, 2009 19:28:17 GMT -5
All my ancestors were Slavs/Serbs from what I know. Too bad they didn't test me, huh? I could have significantly altered their largely inaccurate report.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jun 20, 2009 0:05:40 GMT -5
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jun 20, 2009 0:15:53 GMT -5
Vardarians ancient macedonians my azz!. These numbers don't seem right at all. Just some more Germanic rubbish to cause instabilities in Balkans.....do people remember Austrian and German propaganda of the 19th and 20th centuries!.
Sorry, l don't mean to interlink this with politics Zgembo but why do Germanics always have to be the ones who always solves our histories, cant anyone else except them do this?
Lastly, why does Bosnia have Hunnic genes, what, was it the avar result and B'lgari doesn't have any hunnic result, lies, lies and more lies!.
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