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Post by L0gjICK on Nov 19, 2009 11:33:39 GMT -5
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Post by shejtani on Nov 19, 2009 15:38:17 GMT -5
"Majka Tereza" ... She was Albanian and there's not even an Albanian translation ...
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Post by L0gjICK on Nov 19, 2009 15:57:55 GMT -5
"Majka Tereza" ... She was Albanian and there's not even an Albanian translation ... Yep English and Macedonian, but no Albanian translation. Macs like to claim her as one of their own. Other Macs claim she was Vlach.
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Nov 19, 2009 19:08:36 GMT -5
Shkup. So that's how you say Skopje in Macedonian. Actually anyone know why Serbs call it Skoplje rather than Skopje?
Skoplje was the capital of the greatest Serbian empire of Stefan Dusan.
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Nov 19, 2009 19:12:11 GMT -5
The city of Skopia (Greek Σκόπια) was located at the far north reaches of the Byzantine empire. The name of the city itself reflects its geographic location and role within the empire, as the word Skopia translates to watch-tower/lookout/obervation point. In 1912, the name of the city was officially changed from the Turkish Üsküp (Ottoman Turkish: اسكوب) to Serbian Skoplje (Скопље). Since the 1950s, the name of the city in Macedonian has been Skopje (Скопје), reflecting the Macedonian Cyrillic orthography for the local pronunciation. It originates from Latin Scupi.During the Middle Ages, Skopje was often under the rule of the Bulgarian Empire; the Bulgarian rendition is Skopie (Скопие). The city was known as Uskub or Uskup in most Western European languages during the period of Ottoman rule.[2] In Albanian it is called Shkup or Shkupi, in Aromanian, Scopia, and in Romani, Skopiye.
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Post by rex362 on Nov 19, 2009 20:20:39 GMT -5
great ....what did serbs call Shkup in the year 469 ad ?
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Post by Novi Pazar on Nov 19, 2009 22:34:37 GMT -5
Yep your right, Skoplje was the capital of serbia during the time of Dushan. Its interesting that Beograd only became large during the Ottoman occupation.
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Post by L0gjICK on Nov 19, 2009 23:15:24 GMT -5
Shkup. So that's how you say Skopje in Macedonian. Well the Ancient Macedonians called it Skupi and the Albanains today call it Shkupi. Skupi was the capital of Dardania as well.
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Post by ioan on Nov 20, 2009 2:35:56 GMT -5
Skopie was Bulgarian capital for a short time too - 972-992 years. After that, it was a capital of Byzantine administrative region (katepanat) Bulgaria after the fall the First Bulgarian Empire in 1018
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Nov 20, 2009 11:36:31 GMT -5
Well the Ancient Macedonians called it Skupi and the Albanains today call it Shkupi. "In Albanian it is called Shkup or Shkupi" "...changed from the Turkish Ü sküp" versus Skopi Skopia Skopje Skoplje
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Post by ilirdardani on Nov 20, 2009 11:39:42 GMT -5
Well the Ancient Macedonians called it Skupi and the Albanains today call it Shkupi. "In Albanian it is called Shkup or Shkupi" "...changed from the Turkish Ü sküp" versus Skopi Skopia Skopje Skoplje versus latin - Scupi Albanian - Shkupi (just added h to s to make it sh, c is pronounced k and upi remains)
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Post by rex362 on Nov 20, 2009 13:05:52 GMT -5
some say Fok
I say Fuk
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Post by todhrimencuri on Nov 20, 2009 15:05:51 GMT -5
The Albanian name comes directly from Latin since it follows the same linguistic development that occurred from Latin --> Italian/Latin --> Albanian (the hard Sc of Latin became the soft Shk of Albania and Sc of Italian). Like in Pescus --> Pesce/Peshk. The Turkish version of the name has a hard S(the soft s of Turkish is this: ş (note the cursive, as in should). The other S is harder (as in stood) Sorry Aadmin, the Albanian one is more true to the original Latin name than you ugly Slavo-trash language.
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Post by rusebg on Nov 20, 2009 15:42:35 GMT -5
The name means fvck all. What matters is for long the city was ruled and by who.
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Post by captainalbania on Dec 21, 2009 18:54:25 GMT -5
Thats because you finally conquered a real city, your old capital Stari Ras was little more than a monestary and a couple of houses.
Shkupi had been inhabited since 4000 BC. It was the administrative capital of a Roman Province (Moesia Superior). It was a metropolitan see and had it's own archbishop. A Roman Emperor (Justinian) was born there. From 972 to 992 it was the capital of the First Bulgarian Empire. It was a capital of the estate of the Bulgarian feudal lord, later Emperor Konstantin Asen in the middle of 13th century.
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Post by ivo on Dec 21, 2009 19:03:22 GMT -5
And let's not forget the Slavic speaking population idenfied as Bulgarian.
Out of curiosity, how do you say 'expensive' and 'dear' in Serbian?
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Post by Novi Pazar on Dec 21, 2009 22:02:17 GMT -5
"And let's not forget the Slavic speaking population idenfied as Bulgarian." Never were, until the Turkish backed Bulgarian Exarchate messed everything up. Skapo or Skupo
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Post by ivo on Dec 22, 2009 12:55:52 GMT -5
Same in Bulgarian.
Wrong as usual. The inhabittants of Macedonia identified as Bulgarians long before the Ottoman Empire came in to the picture.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Dec 22, 2009 18:10:09 GMT -5
^ When?, l mean Jordan Ivanov only managed to find a couple of quotes in which the name Bulgaria was mentioned in southern serbia before the exarchists began their work.
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Post by ivo on Dec 22, 2009 23:19:20 GMT -5
I wonder why Basil II was called the 'Bulgar Slayer' and not the 'Macedonian Slayer' or the 'Serb Slayer'.
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