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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Dec 1, 2009 2:50:29 GMT -5
all in all, bosniaks are very much simlar to bosnian croats by blood/ancestry. Actually this is bullsh!t. Bosnian Serbs & Bosniaks are more closely related by haplogroups than Bosnian Croats are. If anyone is to be called outsiders or more different in Bosnia then it's the Bosnian Croats. E G I J F K R1a R1b --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bosnian Croats 8.9 1.1 73.3 1.1 1.1 12.2 2.2 Bosnian Serbs 22.3 1.2 35.8 8.7 4.9 7.4 13.6 6.2 Bosnian Bosniaks 16.5 2.0 48.2 10.7 3.5 1.2 15.3 3.5 Croat/Serb Percent Overlap - 61.3% Croat/Bosniak Percent Overlap - 74.8% Serb/Bosniak Percent Overlap - 84.0% vetinari.sitesled.com/bosnia.pdf
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Post by hellboy87 on Dec 1, 2009 7:59:40 GMT -5
i dont doubt that there might be some anatolian turk blood among bosniaks, but majority of them do not have any at all, and those that do, its only a miniscule fraction of their ancestry. its more like the other way around, there's alot of turks in turkey who have bosniak or croat blood in them. along with serb, albanian, bulgarian and greek blood aswell. all in all, bosniaks are very much simlar to bosnian croats by blood/ancestry. Yup,would think so too that there may be some Bosniaks and Balkanians in general who have Anatolian ancestry.After all it was people from Anatolia who took over militarily of the Balkans. But then again,there are the Balkan Turks.According to sources,the Sultan ordered some unruly Turkish/Turkmen/Yoruk tribesmen and families from Anatolia to be settled in the Balkans:North Greece,Eastern Bulgaria,Macedonia(FYROM) and Kosovo. And since the Balkan Turks look European,not too sure there on what exactly is the story.Did a small number of Turks absorb/incorporate Balkanians? Or are they Turkified? Or a combination of both? As for Turks in Turkey with Balkan blood,thats common knowledge that millions of them do have it
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Post by Patrinos on Dec 1, 2009 8:43:19 GMT -5
Was there any population exchange between Bosnia and Turkey...?
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Post by hellboy87 on Dec 1, 2009 10:06:28 GMT -5
No,but population movement from Bosnia to Turkey in significant numbers following the loss of Ottoman rule of Bosnia,and the subsequent decades under Yugoslavia and the wars.
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Post by mystery on Dec 3, 2009 20:36:15 GMT -5
Albanian muslims = Albanian Ottomans Bosnian muslims = Bosnian Ottomans Turkish muslims = Turkish Ottomans The only people your Ottoman rulers ethnically mixed with was the christian kmet women that we owned for 500 years and had a legal right to sleep with before they got married. Albanian Ottomans? GTFO, you Wahhabi. Your as "Turkish" as a serb or a croat.
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Post by tito on Dec 3, 2009 21:08:50 GMT -5
Albanian muslims yes, I know that some extreme nationalists today try to hide the truth but the fact is that Albanian muslims contributed most to the Ottoman empire after the Turks them self’s. Most of the non-turkish Grand Vezirs(who defacto ruled the Ottoman empire) where Albanian muslims. Proud Albanian Ottomans even had the honor to lead the Ottoman army to the gates of Vienna. Bosniak Ottomans liberated Hungary and Cyprus but the Albanian Ottomans ruled Egypt. Bosniak Ottomans defeated Napoleon in Gaza but Albanian Ottomans reached the gates of Vienna! PS. Both Bosniak and Albanian Ottomans spilled blood against the Wehabi separatists who where supporter by the British invaders.
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Post by todhrimencuri on Dec 7, 2009 14:47:16 GMT -5
Do my people a favor tito, leave them alone. The more you try and speak in their name the more u alienate them. Nobody in Albania who reads your posts would ever even consider supporting a nutbag like you.
Do what Fidel Castro did to show his support for Obama: he shut the f*** up!
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Post by tito on Dec 7, 2009 16:50:40 GMT -5
Do my people a favor tito, leave them alone. I didn’t even mention "your people", I was talking about my people: the glorious Bosniak, Albanian, Turkish, Arab and African Ottomans! The more you try and speak in their name the more u alienate them. Nobody in Albania who reads your posts would ever even consider supporting a nutbag like you. You don’t seem to understand that historic facts are totally free from what people in today’s Albania might think. I honestly don’t care what you think, I’m just stating facts about the glorious Ottomans(Bosniaks, Albanians, Turks, Arabs and others). Do what Fidel Castro did to show his support for Obama: he shut the f*** up! Again: it is not a gesture of support to anyone else other then the glorious Ottomans.
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Post by todhrimencuri on Dec 7, 2009 16:59:22 GMT -5
The "facts" wont get people to support you since "facts" can me manipulated.
"Your people" are dead and no longer a part of reality. Your people are part of the history books, like Serbian Kosovo.
U can keep talking Tito, but understand this: no Albanian of any rational sense will come in your defense. None.
I admire the Ottomans and my ancestors... but unlike you at least I can accept historical realities and futuristic realities. I understand that your views are important for your nation however... not for ours though.
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Post by tito on Dec 7, 2009 20:11:19 GMT -5
The "facts" wont get people to support you since "facts" can me manipulated. It does NOT matter if people "support" me, what matters is that I speak the truth! "Your people" are dead and no longer a part of reality. Your people are part of the history books Not at all, we are still here and every day we grown in numbers. U can keep talking Tito, but understand this: no Albanian of any rational sense will come in your defense. None. I don’t even understand why you assume that I would expect Albanians to come to my defense? I was just pointing out some historic facts, it doesn’t mean that I expect you to like them. I admire the Ottomans and my ancestors... but unlike you at least I can accept historical realities and futuristic realities. I understand that your views are important for your nation however... not for ours though. And that is Okay, I don’t judge you. I just tell the truth even if you don’t like it.
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Post by todhrimencuri on Dec 7, 2009 20:23:28 GMT -5
Albanians are growing in number as well... Just not the kind your looking for...
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Post by gzx5 on Apr 30, 2020 18:07:37 GMT -5
@tito And then after WW1 ended the Greeks went around raping your Turkish women and the British and French did the same thing during occupation times of your Arab brothers. There were also Turkish and Arab slaves taken to Europe as well including female sex slaves that we took from your lands.
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