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Post by dusko1 on Jan 4, 2010 19:43:13 GMT -5
For the record the title of the thread is not my words or thoughts. Ok now that I got that out of the way I thought some of you might get a serious kick out of this total bullshit claim in this article that good old Alexander The Great was Albanian. First Milos Obilic & now Alexander. Who's next? Njegos? Nikola Tesla? Jimmy Carter? George Washington? Jesus Christ? Enjoy folks! www.balkaninsight.com/en/main/news/24745/
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Post by L0gjICK on Jan 5, 2010 11:20:19 GMT -5
Actually I'm not sure if he full out says Alexander is Albanian, maybe he does. I was under the impression the author was trying to make the point that only Albanians and Greeks have the right to speak of his origins and the Slavic Macedonians should stay out of the discussion.
Either way, I wonder why the Albanians in Macedonia are concerned over this issue. Are we trying to prove our antiquity over the Slavs by claiming Alexander? Why? Who cares? lol. Most of the world regards these FYROM Slavs as a joke. Let the Slavic Macedonians claim Alexander. Let the Greeks claim him, I don't really give a shyt about Alexander. This Balkan mentality over obsessing over history is ridiculous at times.. Why are we wasting energy on this matter? There are more dire needs these intellects and politicians need to look at then Leka.....
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Post by leandros nikon on Jan 21, 2010 17:53:31 GMT -5
i think he was a croat...or swedish,i dunno... ;D
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Post by Marshall_Stanko on Nov 4, 2010 0:29:37 GMT -5
He's not a serious author ... Alexander the Great was not Albanian. Maybe he wrote that to piss off Slavofyromians. You are a traitor to the Albanians. YOUR SUPPOSE TO SAY THAT HE WAS ALBANIAN!!! EVEN THOUGH HE ISNT ALBANIAN!! STOP BEING SO ANTI ALBANIAN!
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Post by atdhetari on Nov 7, 2010 11:16:50 GMT -5
if smth is not true then its not, its idiotic to beat a dead horse, that way of thinking hasn't served serbs well so far
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Post by greek1234 on Nov 11, 2010 1:28:30 GMT -5
There is no chance Alexander was an Albanian. That is a joke, Albanians don't even have the right to talk about him or anything to do with Greek history. I would compare it to a Nazi talking about Jewish history, just can't be trusted.
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Post by rex362 on Nov 19, 2010 17:25:17 GMT -5
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Post by littleboyfatman on Jan 27, 2013 10:21:46 GMT -5
if smth is not true then its not, its idiotic to beat a dead horse, that way of thinking hasn't served serbs well so far well... also just claiming thats its not true is same as beating dead horse... there are manny... agruments that alexander the great was illyrian... and dont forget it wouldent be the first time greek and slavs... would make their fantasy storys... telling them to the west... just like with their debts... anno 2009 and lests not talk about 400 BC...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2013 14:41:06 GMT -5
Alexander the Great was Macedonian, as was his father. Where has everyone been....in a cave? Last year I visited the tomb of Philip II in Vergina, Greece. It is wonderful. There are references there that state he was a Macedonian. As a Greek, I know what that means. And I also know that it does not mean that he and his son were Slavs. No way.
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Post by kapedan on Mar 9, 2014 2:24:15 GMT -5
George Kastriotis - The Greek hero who fought the Ottomans for 50 years.
Marini Barletii, his first Biographer from the Skodra (beginnings 16th AD), him calls "Epirote prince" and "Sovereign of Epirus", while entire biography is reported only in Epirotes and never in Albanians. • Also, himself Georgios Kastriotis addressing to the sovereign of Taranta Ioannis Antonio and giving out his origin and his genuine feelings, writes(in Greek of course): "my forefathers were Epirotes from which Pyrrhus rose that only the Romans could push back “. Similarly as a descendant of Epirotes and not of the Illyrians he mentions in his letter to the Italian Ursini in 1460. • Still to the King Alfonso, monarch of Aragon, Naples and Sicily he writes(in Greek of course): "The shining and mighty king Alfonso, monarch of Aragon, Naples and Sicily Skenderbeis hails and wishes well ". • Speaking in the presence of the Pope Paul B he stresses: "After the subjection of Asia and Greece, after the slaughter of her hegemonic spawns of Constantinople , the Trapezounta ... and the desolation of biggest part of Macedonia and Epirus, against the savage conqueror that seeks to ruin the cross the cross, and elevate on the Capitol the crescent and fulfillment of slavery of all the world ... alone i stand with the relic of my soldiers and with my small territory...". • He had Greek Education and spoke the Greek Language, after by his Letters were sent written in the Greek language. • Moreover the All Turkish biographer of Ali Pasha of Ioannina, Ahmet Moyfjt, writes for Georgios Kastriotis: "in the year 1443 he escaped from the Ottoman camp of Morava the Greek sovereign Kastriotis and went to the seat of his ancestors, the Kroia". • Italian, English and Swedish reports consider Georgios Kastriotis a Greek. Thus Italian A. Salvi in the tragedy of (1718) he mentions him as a Greek (Greco Georgios Kastriotis). The English C. Randall in 1810 him calls Greek Hero (Grecian Hero) and the Swedish Barrau initially and Rudbeck later (1835) considers the Georgios Kastriotis a Greek. • The History of French of historical Paganel (Paganel: Histoire de Scanderbey), that was published in Paris in 1855 about him says he is evidently a Greek. • Want also a Albanian admission of Greek Epirote origin of Georgios Kastriotis The Albanian stamp of 1968, supplementing that year 500 years from his death, presents the cover of mentioned before History of Barletii, that is entered in this clearly, that was Epirote prince (Epirotarum Principis) and not Albanian or Illyrian. It writes the cover: "HISTORIA DE VITA ET GESTIS SCANDERBEGI EPIROTARUM PRINCIPIS". • Consequently, equitably Danish Franz Nte Zesse'n, military correspondent of the newspaper "Le Temps of" Paris, doubts for the Albanian origin of Georgios Kastriotis, stressing in his lecture: "Question is, if also this Georgios Kastriotis is able to be considered Albanian, after he was son of Greek of Ioannis Kastriotis Not even word, especially from the same KASTRIOTIS about anything Albanian or something similar.
Getting weaker and weaker. The predictilability you have is a dissatvantage. Here let me put the reference of this material: usa.greekreporter.com/2012/12/03/epirotes-abroad-blast-berishas-greater-albania/(check under the comments of someone who has an Illyrian shield as a picture going by the nickname of: "hankz" ) Another place where you can find thesame material: www.topix.com/forum/world/macedonia/T0M25BCHONKK018H4/p32img.pathfinder.gr/clubs/files/63510/3.doc (word document) www.youtube.com/playlist?list=FLWZlZuPV1uhHLc8IxstUETASame material here: archive.worldhistoria.com/gjergj-kastrioti-skenderbey_topic18916_page5.htmlAgain: www.balkanforum.info/f16/albanien-waehrend-osmanischen-unterdrueckung-147008-print/index41.html....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Skanderbeg/Archive_1#Kastriotis_was_a_Pure_Greek_name hohohoho got some Orthodox Gypsies in here: www.stormfront.org/forum/t275003/------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I can find the exact same material online, but none of the resources.I got all these websites by googling for FRANZ NTE ZESSEN.(is this even a Danish name?) I tried to find the article that Franz did write, but all I could came up with were the websites listed above. Simple question: Who is Danish Franz Nte Zesse'n, military correspondent of the newspaper "Le Temps of" Paris? Looks like those resources that serbs pretended to find in Vatican "stating" that Gjergj Kastrioti was a Serv. The author went by the name of : "Various Anonyminus". (Sorry but, LOL) Now you realize you have a competition with serbs about Gjergj's origin, because they claim the same things you do. By the way, here are some other "resources" claiming that Kastrioti came from the 'Castriotich', making him not a Grec, but a Serv. www.maltagenealogy.com/libro%20d'oro/castriota.html www.heraldica.org/topics/national/albania.htmPaul Rovinski ,Russian emmisary and historian,quoted from: “Glas Crnogorca”, 1899 Quote: Skenderbeg, a personally brave man was of Serb descent and was so useful, that he was respected by the Albanians, as well. He was the son of Ivan Kastrioti. His mother was Vojislava, daughter of the Prince of Polog (I am sure the list goes on) MEANWHILE, Some tangible facts:
Skanderbeg’s helmet is made of white metal, adorned with a strip dressed in gold. On its top lies the head of a horned goat made of bronze, also dressed in gold. The bottom part bears a copper strip adorned with a monogram separated by rosettes * IN * PE * RA * TO * RE * BT *, which means: Jhezus Nazarenus * Principi Emathie * Regi Albaniae * Terrori Osmanorum * Regi Epirotarum * Benedictat Te (Jesus Nazarene Blesses Thee [Skanderbeg], Prince of Mat, King of Albania, Terror of the Ottomans, King of Epirus). Dhu lKarnejn (The owner of two horns)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhul-Qarnaynwww.britishmuseum.org/images/bsl_lysimachus_coin_channel_624x351.jpg
illyria.proboards.com/thread/23756#page=1
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Post by Balkaneros on Mar 17, 2014 17:40:58 GMT -5
You continue to make the same epic mistake. The position is his origin, not who and what he fought for, not even what he chose to identify himself as. Skanderbeg was more of a Christian hero, by default he's an Albanian hero, but look how that turned out.
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Post by kapedan on Apr 26, 2014 0:33:25 GMT -5
You continue to make the same epic mistake. The position is his origin, not who and what he fought for, not even what he chose to identify himself as. Skanderbeg was more of a Christian hero, by default he's an Albanian hero, but look how that turned out. Well nobody cannot deny the fact of Scanderbeg having close ties with Vatican and some other Catholic families at the time. The thing is that he also fought for Islam while he was captured as hostage, and he won the title of Skender Bey while he was fighting for the Ottomans. Another fact that cannot be denied is that Scanderbeg fought against Christian powers as well. Some of which were: -Anjuins of France -Brankovics' of Servia -Lazar's troops of Servia -Venetians of Italy All of the above (except Anjuins) made alliances with Ottomans either through marriages or through economical interests. They fought against Scanderbeg in order to keep their influence by having alliance with Ottomans. The only Europenas at the time that supported Scanderbeg without looking for profits were the German mercenaries. Scanderbeg's natural allies were the kings of the Kindgom of Napoli (Huniad of Hungary too, but they never cooperated due to the alliances Servs had with Ottomans) . The Pope alaways supported his actions, but he never offered him any tangiable help. When he tried once, he died on his way to Arberia (I beleive it was around 1461) When it is clearly obvious that even nowadays a Muslim Albanian is more related to the Vatican than a Serb or a Greek is, why would you think Scanderbeg was a Greek or a Serb when he also was more connected with the Vatican rather than any of the Orthodox of that time?
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Post by rex362 on Jun 18, 2014 10:24:06 GMT -5
and then After 2300 years we have this .....on Albanians
Edith Durham, High Albania And Its Customs, 1908 wrote: The Christian married women of Maltsia e madhe wear a crescent of silver filagree or of gold braid on their caps. They vow and declare that this has nothing to do with the Turk : " It is our custom. We have always done it."
Edith Durham, High Albania, 1909 wrote: On the head is a flat black cap on the crown of which is sewn a crescent, or a double crescent, of silver-gilt filagree. Or a similar design is worked in gold thread. This crescent the Christian women say they have always worn, and that it is not Turkish. In this they are probably correct. The crescent and sun are very commonly tattooed together with the cross on all these Christian tribes-folk, men and women. This seems to be the remnant of some old pre-Christian belief not connected with Mahomedanism at all.
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Post by rex362 on Jun 18, 2014 10:25:29 GMT -5
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Post by rex362 on Jun 18, 2014 10:30:20 GMT -5
They must of had same hair stylist
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Post by aussie75 on Jul 19, 2014 20:34:33 GMT -5
^ Shqiptars/Albs arrive to Serbia in 1081AD, so all of this is garbage! The Ancient Illyrians believed of God Serbon, Alexandar also believed in the sun god Serbon!
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Post by rex362 on Jul 21, 2014 14:33:26 GMT -5
^ ahhahahahahahahahahahah
go ...go bcs Pyrros is looking for you he just wrote another post ....your needed
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Post by aussie75 on Jul 21, 2014 17:40:53 GMT -5
^ your ancient homeland is the kavkaz; your very lucky to have survived the Khazar and Arab war of the 9th cent, Khazars sort to exterminate your people then!
Ilir is free in Shqipe, so who were the ancient Illyrians 'free' from?
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Post by rex362 on Jul 21, 2014 18:55:29 GMT -5
^ your ancient homeland is the kavkaz; your very lucky to have survived the Khazar and Arab war of the 9th cent, Khazars sort to exterminate your people then! Ilir is free in Shqipe, so who were the ancient Illyrians 'free' from? free from slavs ....THATS WHO !! .......you came and messed up all that free business now go .....Pyrros has more conspiracy theories for you to brag about ....
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Post by aussie75 on Jul 26, 2014 20:46:11 GMT -5
^ your ancient homeland is the kavkaz; your very lucky to have survived the Khazar and Arab war of the 9th cent, Khazars sort to exterminate your people then! Ilir is free in Shqipe, so who were the ancient Illyrians 'free' from? free from slavs ....THATS WHO !! .......you came and messed up all that free business now go .....Pyrros has more conspiracy theories for you to brag about .... So Slavs must have been around before Shqiptars lol. You f'ed it up again Kavkaz boy!
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