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Post by Patrinos on Jan 30, 2010 7:41:16 GMT -5
Just took a quick evaluation of the viewable faces (161 faces total) - Balkanic look ....................................(104 faces or 64.6%) - 'Greek' look .......................................(41 faces or 25%) (or look much more found in Greece then elsewhere in the vicinity)(To avoid Confusion Greeks mainly belong to two above types)- Mixed Slavic/Balkanic look ...............(9 faces or 5.6%) - Slavic look .......................................(5 faces or 3.1%) - Turkic (Turanid) look .......................(2 faces or 1.2%) - 'Gypsy' or mixed Gypsy ...................(0 faces or 0%) - Nordic or Scandinavian ...................(0 faces or 0%) - Mixed or Unidentifiable ...................(0 faces or 0%) *Turanids and 'Gypsies' here looks mixed with locals *Balkanic looks more crude and more influenced by UP (Upper Paleolithic with more exaggerated features.. one ex. is Dinarics)*Greek look is more med, more symmetrical and more refined. So rough draft of the faces is that -close to 2/3 looks Balkanic -1/18 mixed Slavic/Balkanic -1/20 looks Slavic -1/4 looks Greek -1/83 looks Asian All in all 89.6% looks native (Balkanic and 'Greek') (Balkan look would be Thracians, Dorians and Illyrians) (Balkan look is basically Mountain Greeks ;D ;D ;D ) ('Greek' look would be Minoans etc) Additional 6.8% looks like deluted natives ---------------- Total 96.4% look native and partially or mainly nativeIndeed, the slavic look among Montenegrins is very very rare. And their Balkan look is very refined in contrast to the neighboring Albanians who have "extreme" characteristics.
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Post by danceswithpoodles on Jan 30, 2010 11:08:49 GMT -5
This guy looks like Greek-Canadian actor Elias Koteas....separated at birth!
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Post by Patrinos on Jan 30, 2010 11:48:23 GMT -5
This guy looks like Greek-Canadian actor Elias Koteas....separated at birth! Koteas's type is very frequent in Peloponnesos(where he comes from). The "packet" of course includes baldness after 40's...
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Post by todhrimencuri on Jan 30, 2010 16:33:17 GMT -5
Koteas has been balding way before his 40s from the looks of his hair. He may have started as early as late 20s early 30s.
He looks like he is packing just about as much as my dad... who started around that time.
Koteas just managed to retain more on his sides. He could probably get a get a transplant and reverse a great amount of his hairloss.
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Post by Kastorianos on Jan 30, 2010 16:38:12 GMT -5
Baldness is a disease...I have lost a lot of hair in the last years...I guess I will be totally bald with 35 at the latest if it goes on like that. My forehead is growing and growing. I hate my ancestors for that...I hate them. I have tried several things...nothing helps against it. Baldness looks so s.hitty.
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Post by todhrimencuri on Jan 30, 2010 16:47:41 GMT -5
Its very unseemly... its especially depressing to go to a family gathering and see the future all around you. Its even worse when you see the random "lucky" family members who managed to save their hair, the one in five, and feel like screaming "I want those genes".
One thing I noticed about Greeks. The more south, the less hairloss. Watching Zorba the Greek, it was like 1/10 was bald/balding in the village. In fact, rarely if ever do I see Cretans with it. Im guessing it must be the influence of the "non-European" parts of the genes. By contrast, when I see more northern ones, especially Epirotic, its like every one has the sun reflecting off of his head
The other group that seems to have more irregularity are Mikrasiatikes. They too seem to save a lot.
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Jan 30, 2010 17:31:43 GMT -5
The hair loss appears to be Epirotic/Dinaric/Alpine thing associated with mountainous western Balkans much more then with coastal med regions. If anything Meds (like their de-pigmented cousins Nordics) have plenty of hair (more then anyone Mongoloids) and rarely do I ever notice hair loss amongst the ones who look predominantly that. I say if you are bolding and it bothers you .. simple... shave your head (get a military style crew cut) ... it is just hair and unless you are a girl .. who cares. Some of you princesses are concerned about something your ancestors left you because some crappy commercial on TV affected your ego... TOUGH (clik the mouse gently as you are reading this and make sure you don't break a nail ladies ;D ;D ;D ) MAN THE F UP
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Post by todhrimencuri on Jan 30, 2010 17:45:59 GMT -5
Hairloss is generally associated with the Caucasian groups. In most predominant in northern European countries while it appears less and less among more Med-African groups. In the Americas, the darker the skin the more one seems to "save" while those who are intermixed seem to lose it. Asians also rarely lose it (although the number of Asians losing it has increased in recent years). Tadic appears to me to have very typical Asian style hair: upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/archive/5/5c/20090123160906!BorisTadic.jpg. It seems to be very much a "white" thing. Nevertheless, your look inevitably changes once you do decide to shave. I dont like the shaved look, nor do any of the girls I know. Fact it... girls like hair and will always prefer a guy who has it. Furthermore, its very psychological. Your losing something forever... it will never come back. The permanence of it is what really effects. Its one more jump out of our youth. One jump we can never get back.
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Jan 30, 2010 18:15:35 GMT -5
Or way to become a man, right of passage if you will.
I have been shaving for decade and a half and girls (Balkan ones at least....others.... who cares although they did not mind) have never seem to mind (they mind style, appearance, CONFIDENCE and manner of expression not to mention intelligence and manly demeanor).
You are young and have a path to cross before you fully mature into a Balkan male that is confident in his own persona. Also younger girls (once you are after) haven't matured into women either mentally and emotionally and might still be on some level to girlish and attracted to boyish looks (but that will cease them soon enough).
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Post by todhrimencuri on Jan 30, 2010 18:22:33 GMT -5
Lol. What about those men who never lose it. ;D Anyway, your right about many of the Balkan girls thing. My mom was engaged to my dad while he was undergoing the metamorphosis from Beatles to Cue ball... I often wandered what made her stay and my grandmother must have truly been in love to marry a man who was going "under" and would be finished by the time he reached his mid 30s. img10.imageshack.us/img10/1798/12955203073796150503146.jpgEitherway, physique matters a whole lot... I guess as long as you dont look like Costanza: I guess they dont mind because 90% of them have cue ball dads... so they are used to it. ;D
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Jan 30, 2010 18:39:52 GMT -5
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Post by Patrinos on Jan 30, 2010 18:47:12 GMT -5
i'm 23 and i've already started very clearly to have shine on my head... 90 % of my uncles, grandfathers (and my father) are bald... so i know my future... I see baldness as a very Greek characteristic, with a belly after 40...(well even earlier...)... classical Ellinaras... with a kompoloi drinking ouzo in the plateia... In the photos of the Greek government and deputies i've posted, from about 200 men i counted about 50 bald. Typical Peloponnesean old man: (kastorianos' favourite)
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Post by todhrimencuri on Jan 30, 2010 18:53:54 GMT -5
Btw, Aadmin... you love the ancient Greeks right? Well, in Ancient Greek society, baldness was perceives as weakness (malakia). Slaves were generally shaved bald to represent their place in society. If you were a soldier, or a real manly man, you were supposed to have:
1) Shaven body and general build (typically oiled, since baths were rare) 2) Hair. Long long hair.
Odysseus, the epitome of a "man", is said to have hade "flowing golden locks". ;D
Other depictions of baldness are usually with the Satyres.
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Post by todhrimencuri on Jan 30, 2010 19:04:19 GMT -5
I dont know how to generalize Greek baldness. There are Alpine types who just lose everything at the top... and then I see those Asia Minor or islander Greeks who seem to have the hair of a 19 year old at the age of 80 (very very thick full head of hair).
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Jan 30, 2010 19:23:43 GMT -5
more balkanic looking bold men from wrestling (certainly they are aiming to look manly)
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Jan 30, 2010 19:36:13 GMT -5
What is the purpose of head hair in a man...
Covering your head to protect you from the cold..
But what if you live in warm area .. and even if not ... that is why there is woolen hats for..
Shave everything else but leave that particular head hair...
To me this is nothing but a cultural fetish maintained today by those who profit from keeping it alive... thus void of any real value.
I could care less about every single thing what ancient did as they were humans also and prone to mistakes and useless acts but overall I see many positives in them to regard them as at least interesting.
I say day will come when all will shave their heads as hair and maintaining it is a useless cultural fetish and entire mountains and forests need to ripped apart so such hair can be 'maintained' (cosmetics etc).
PS: Boldness is also very pervasive in Montenegro where easily one third of older males is bold (and correct about belly after 40 lol ).
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Post by terroreign on Jan 30, 2010 21:27:33 GMT -5
I actually think that shaving one's head (but keeping hair on the back) used to be some sort of traditional style in Montenegro at one time, i think in Albania as well. There was also a picture of Vojvoda Mirko with the same hair cut and this:
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Post by todhrimencuri on Jan 30, 2010 21:33:22 GMT -5
He did the opposite of the hairloss... he shaved the sides and around, leaving a large patch to grow. Its a general Albanian practice from the north to south. Souliotes were known to do it along with Ali Pasha's soldiers. In traditional societies, how you wear your hair or grow it can be a sign of your position within the given society. When you come upon the name Theodore Musachi Chiscetisi (Kishetisi), know that Kishetisi means long haired. And indeed they wore their hair long. In Albanian, the word 'kishet' (gërshet) means 'braids' and that was the way they were accustomed to wearing their hair, as far as I remember. Even in our times, they usually wore their hair down to their shoulders in our principality. This is why I mention this.- John Musachi
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Jan 30, 2010 22:44:06 GMT -5
It is recorded that in very early days the Illyrians shaved their heads. Head shaving was still practised by Greeks, Slavs, and Hungarians in the seventeenth century. The custom prevails to this day throughout Albania and Bosnia, and has only recently died out among the Orthodox Montenegrins. It is practised by Moslems, Catholics, and Orthodox.
Among the North Albanian tribes a patch of hair, called perchin, is usually left, varying in shape and position according to district.
Among the Catholic tribes the first shaving of the head is thought even more important than baptism. When the child is about two years old, a friend is invited to be kumarii i floksh. (In Montenegro the relationship was called Shishano Kumstvo, and prevailed till fifty years ago.) The child's hair must have never before been cut. In the case of a Catholic Albanian, the kumarii, sitting on the ground, takes first another child on his knees (to ensure that his godchild be not the last that its parents have), then takes his godchild and cuts from its head four locks of hair, one to each of the points of the compass–north, south, east, and west–thus marking a cross. The Moslems, I am told, cut three locks–a triangle is a favourite Moslem tattoo pattern. Girls as well as boys are shaven, but girls have a fringe left over the forehead. 74.125.93.132/search?q=cache:dzO-4qz52XwJ:digital.library.upenn.edu/women/durham/albania/albania-II.html&cd=12&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us--------- --------- head-hunting might have something to do with the hairstyles books.google.com/books?id=BwQT9fdZNdgC&pg=PA5&lpg=PA5&dq=&source=bl&ots=9Cwv4ddACg&sig=9-VTfgsFGSJZIMH5xtX1SZecw9M&hl=en&ei=MvpkS5KYOoj8lAeZv7yUCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CA4Q6AEwAzgK#v=onepage&q=&f=falsewww.jstor.org/pss/2788856books.google.com/books?id=8KCZhBWVkgMC&pg=PA135-IA14&lpg=PA135-IA14&dq=montenegrin+shave+heads&source=bl&ots=OlVcAB6RWA&sig=5gtn8xz32stHAzlHGvCkqnF4GAc&hl=en&ei=q_hkS67ZL9SolAeV8dmUCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=10&ved=0CCMQ6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q=&f=false
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Post by Patrinos on Jan 31, 2010 6:53:50 GMT -5
Shaving the front of the hair and leaving the back long was a panbalkans symbol of mutinousness, also very spead among Greeks. Except the ancient Greek references on this style, during the Byzantion the rebel "venetoi"(the green-blue), one of the most powerfull and populous Constantinoupolitan groups practices and spread this. As Procopios notes they didn't shave their mustaches and beard, while shaving their hair from the "peak" and front and left the back long. (Procopios, Anecdota, 7.11-14).
These kind of haircuts were the rule among barbarians and in byzantine society they were considered a sign of rebel-like way of life when used by byzantines, just it was during the Ottoman times in Greece where the "klephtes" as a rule had this haircut, and when Greece liberated it was a problem for them because they always wore fez or a kind of "bandannas" but within the court of the king they should take them off, and the view was kind of funny to others... so they arranged that "klephtes" wouldn't have to take them off...
The other sign of rebel nature during the Byzantion was the wide sleeves, style borrowed by the "venetoi" from the monks and priests
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