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Post by iskender on Feb 27, 2008 16:47:19 GMT -5
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Post by rex362 on Feb 27, 2008 17:53:19 GMT -5
The Bulgars wiil be here shortly to refute you ....
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Post by ioan on Feb 28, 2008 0:44:54 GMT -5
If u read what u posted u ll see that fyrom is called West Bulgaria and that there is not a single fact to proove that smth different that Bulgaria ever exsisted in fyrom. But in an attempt to justify its stealing of Samuil, fyrom try to present thing like there were some thories. Please. All those "teories" however are laughable at best. Not a single scholar outside of fyrom doubts Samuil was a Bulgarian king, his nephew wrote it in stone, check the facts my brainwashed blood brother.
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Post by pagane on Feb 28, 2008 4:23:27 GMT -5
This is a view supported only by the macedonain 'historians' and published in sites like historyofmacedonia.org, a source of great laugh and sometimes deep thoughts about how many absurd people inhabit the Balkans.
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Post by Kubrat on Feb 28, 2008 16:07:54 GMT -5
you're lucky i can't lock this topic. go read some non-ski books or literary sources that have some credentials and you'll realize how absurd your theory and ideas are. or better yet, visit the old illyria forum, in the macedonia sub-section and dig through the pile of old topics and you'll find plenty of information that would be able to properly educated the entire bulgar...er..i mean macedonian nation.
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Post by iskender on Feb 28, 2008 17:43:11 GMT -5
Fuck off you are only romantic virus.You have no fact you have no Corpus Deliktus
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Post by PrijesDardanian on Feb 28, 2008 18:20:18 GMT -5
;D ;D
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Post by Kubrat on Feb 28, 2008 23:01:24 GMT -5
f**k off you are only romantic virus.You have no fact you have no Corpus Deliktus now now, what would happen if your granpa joined your dinner time history lessons? i think he might strangle you for being uneducated. go suck on a lolly son.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Mar 5, 2008 21:15:53 GMT -5
samuil is Bulgarian no doubt about it.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Mar 6, 2008 22:10:47 GMT -5
Apparently from Nicolas Adontz he believes that his mother Ripsimija was of Armenian origin.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Mar 7, 2008 0:44:19 GMT -5
"Bulgarian king, his nephew wrote it in stone"
I don't want to be a smart azz but its similarily to Asen:
2)Arround 1229/1230 Bulgarian Emperor John Asen II wrote an inscription in Trnovo:"I have took the land from Adrianopolis to Drach,Greek,Albanian and also Serbian".
Daskalov,H.S. "Otkritija v drevnei stolicji Bolgarskoi,Ternovo"Moskva, 1859 pp.18-19
Dujchev,I. "Car Ivan Asen II" Sofija, 1941 pp.23-24
Makushev,V "Bolgarija v' koncjah XII i v pervoi polovini XIII veka" ,1872 pp.56-57
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Post by ioan on Mar 7, 2008 1:01:42 GMT -5
First I dont get your point! Are u now trying to say John Asen II wasnt Bulgarian, because its at best laughable! Second, no I dont see any connection with this inscription, found in Bitola: "In the year 6523 (1015) since the creation of the world, this fortress, built and made by Ivan, Tsar of Bulgaria, was renewed with the help and the prayers of Our Most Holy Lady and through the intercession of her twelve supreme Apostles. The fortress was built as a haven and for the salvation of the lives of the Bulgarians. The work on the fortress of Bitola commenced on the twentieth day of October and ended on the [...] This Tsar was Bulgarian by birth, grandson of the pious Nikola and Ripsimia, son of Aaron, who was brother of Samuil, Tsar of Bulgaria, the two who routed the Greek army of Emperor Basil II at Stipone where gold was taken [...] and in [...] this Tsar was defeated by Emperor Basil in 6522 (1014) since the creation of the world in Klyutch and died at the end of the summer. [6]" SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO I m talking about THIS inscription. Good job on brainwashing the southwest Bulgarians, but when stone speaks, gods are silent.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Mar 7, 2008 22:03:26 GMT -5
"Are u now trying to say John Asen II wasnt Bulgarian"
No, he was Bulgarian but l just wanted to point out that his mother may have been of Armenian origin.
"In the year 6523 (1015) since the creation of the world, this fortress, built and made by Ivan, Tsar of Bulgaria, was renewed with the help and the prayers of Our Most Holy Lady and through the intercession of her twelve supreme Apostles. The fortress was built as a haven and for the salvation of the lives of the Bulgarians. The work on the fortress of Bitola commenced on the twentieth day of October and ended on the [...] This Tsar was Bulgarian by birth, grandson of the pious Nikola and Ripsimia, son of Aaron, who was brother of Samuil, Tsar of Bulgaria, the two who routed the Greek army of Emperor Basil II at Stipone where gold was taken [...] and in [...] this Tsar was defeated by Emperor Basil in 6522 (1014) since the creation of the world in Klyutch and died at the end of the summer. [6]"
I'm not going to dismiss your quote but why did Asen write that his inscription in stone saying what he had said.
"Good job on brainwashing the southwest Bulgarians, but when stone speaks, gods are silent."
Its not about brainwashing at all, l find this a silly excuse.
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Post by pagane on Mar 8, 2008 8:02:31 GMT -5
You speak about two different kings - Ivan Vladislav who wrote the inscription in the beginning of the 11th century, and John Asen II (Ivan/Ioan Asen II) who ruled at the beginning of the 13th century and was one of the most glorious rulers we ever had.
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Post by ioan on Mar 8, 2008 13:07:15 GMT -5
I know they are different kings and I still dont get Novis mentioning of Ivan (Ioan) Assen II. Whats the connection between Samuil, his nephew Ivan Vladislav that left the Bitola inscription AND Ioan Assen II?
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Post by Novi Pazar on Mar 8, 2008 18:49:27 GMT -5
^ the connection is they are written in stone.
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Post by besarab on Mar 20, 2008 5:50:49 GMT -5
does someone here know of what origin was stefan dushan's mother
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Post by besarab on Mar 20, 2008 5:55:16 GMT -5
and -to continue this story-what was the origin of his wife -elena and therefore the origin of his son stefan uros the 5th. would i be right if i say that uros the 5th was 75% of bulgarian blood but apparently none calls him a bulgarian
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Post by Novi Pazar on Mar 22, 2008 5:47:51 GMT -5
^ Csar Dushans mother is Bulgarian .....theres nothing wrong with that and l think that needs to be pointed out with serbs also. We know for sure Skenderbeg (Albanian national hero) mother was serbian from the polog region, there are sources out there that describe his father as serbian also, but its debatable, because he could have been Greek. There is no doubt that Samuil is Bulgarian.
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Post by ioan on Mar 22, 2008 11:49:04 GMT -5
i thought the skenderbeg mother is known for sure to be slavic, fyrom claim her, so if they are right she could ve been bulgarian too
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