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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Feb 6, 2009 8:07:31 GMT -5
Serbomans (Bulgarian: сърбомани, sărbomani, Macedonian: србомани, srbomani) (singular Serboman) is a Bulgarian-Macedonian term for people who live in the region of Macedonia and are of local Bulgarian/Macedonian origin, but claim they are of Serbian ethnicity, supported the Serbian national idea or officially declare themselves as Serbs. It is most often used pejoratively. Also, the term is sometimes used by Bulgarians to refer to Macedonians who refuse the Bulgarian national idea. The origin of the term is unclear. It first appeared during the time of the Serbian-Bulgarian rivalry for present-day Macedonia.
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Cool, some Bulgarians/Macedonians apparently want to be Serbs! Nice.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Feb 6, 2009 8:29:46 GMT -5
So "Sar Planinac" from ezboards was a Serboman?
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Feb 6, 2009 8:30:17 GMT -5
Where are you Sar? Dodzi ovdje brzo!
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Post by rex362 on Feb 6, 2009 13:20:55 GMT -5
serboman ...sounds ottoman friendly like ....
Sar is in my trunk of my car for the last 11 months ....
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Post by Zvone on Feb 6, 2009 14:31:45 GMT -5
If he is in your trunk, then who is in mine? Dum, dum, duuuuuummmm...
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Post by rex362 on Feb 6, 2009 15:26:27 GMT -5
thats easy ....the doorman of course .....his live-in lover
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Post by rex362 on Feb 6, 2009 15:27:46 GMT -5
you wanna trade trunk for trunk ....?
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Post by radovic on Feb 6, 2009 17:14:58 GMT -5
Serbomans (Bulgarian: сърбомани, sărbomani, Macedonian: србомани, srbomani) (singular Serboman) is a Bulgarian-Macedonian term for people who live in the region of Macedonia and are of local Bulgarian/Macedonian origin, but claim they are of Serbian ethnicity, supported the Serbian national idea or officially declare themselves as Serbs. It is most often used pejoratively. Also, the term is sometimes used by Bulgarians to refer to Macedonians who refuse the Bulgarian national idea. The origin of the term is unclear. It first appeared during the time of the Serbian-Bulgarian rivalry for present-day Macedonia. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Cool, some Bulgarians/Macedonians apparently want to be Serbs! Nice. No Bulgarians want to be Serbs, smae as no Serbs want to be Bulgarians. This is just something Bulgarians/FYROMians call Serbs they view as not being actually Serb. There might be some FYROM with pro-Serb views of their origins they may label this on also. But FYROMians tend to also dislike people who claim they are of Bulgarian origin. I think it;s kind of like Balijas calling Serbs Vlachs. They think it's somekind of insult but it isn't.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Feb 6, 2009 21:44:31 GMT -5
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Post by Novi Pazar on Feb 6, 2009 21:46:36 GMT -5
I wouldn't say the srbomani are of bulgarian origin, they are of serbian origin. The Bulgars are turkic.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Feb 6, 2009 21:49:28 GMT -5
"So "Sar Planinac" from ezboards was a Serboman?"
Yes your right Pyrro, he speaks the old serbian dialect. Vardarians would classify him as a srboman.
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Post by rusebg on Feb 7, 2009 3:21:07 GMT -5
What a mess this statement is...
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Post by radovic on Feb 7, 2009 11:59:31 GMT -5
I wouldn't say the srbomani are of bulgarian origin, they are of serbian origin. The Bulgars are turkic. Not really groups like the "Volga Bulgars" don't really have any connections to the Turkish nation <-- which is a relatively new construct. The only real connection between various Turkic groups that were found in Russia and the modern day Turks is linguistic. Plus. The Bulgars form a genetic stance are different from Turks and even the various Turkic groups in Russia who soem claim descend from the "Volga Bulgars." At best only some cultural and low genetic influence on the Bulgarians came from the allegedly Turkic "Volga Bulgars." Probably as much as early Serbs were influenced by the Persian related Sarmatians.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Feb 7, 2009 22:40:27 GMT -5
^ Yes l understand you Rado, however the ruling Bulgar Stratum was a hybrid Turkic/Irano group, they had names like cok, tangri etc....
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Post by rusebg on Feb 8, 2009 18:37:18 GMT -5
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Post by Novi Pazar on Feb 8, 2009 19:15:28 GMT -5
^ Yes your right regarding tangra, but you can't deny that names like these that are turkic:
Tsog, Toktu, Telec, Okhsun, Dizeng, Isbul, Kardam etc....
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Post by rusebg on Feb 9, 2009 2:52:20 GMT -5
Some might be Turkic, some are certainly not. For instance, Telec means Taurus.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Feb 9, 2009 3:12:21 GMT -5
Some might be Turkic, some are certainly not. For instance, Telec means Taurus. hmm, in SRB/BiH/HR/MNE they say "Teletina" for beef meat. Is it the same root Ruse?
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Post by rusebg on Feb 9, 2009 5:49:23 GMT -5
Absolutely. Tele means calf in Bulgarian.
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Post by ioan on Feb 9, 2009 6:58:09 GMT -5
I think the Serbomans apperared after the Serbs tried to make the "Macedonians" think they were Serbs and they sucseeded. The fyrom people, acording to all sources (including native), were Bulgarian by origin, but there was Serbian and Greek propaganda and thats why there emerged serbomani and grekomani. There were of course some Serbs in the northwest (around 50 000 I think), who were eventually brainwashed into "Macedonians" too. As for the Bulgarians: Novi is MISTAKING the Bulgars or the Protobulgars with the PRESENT DAY Bulgarians. The Bulgars were the founders of Bulgaria. Their origin is disputed. Some say they were Turkic, some - Iranians, some - Ugrofinns or mixture of them. The problem is far from solved: there are turkic words found in the inscriptions, also iranian. The names are mosly iranian though: for example the founder of Bulgaria Asparuch. The title of the ruler was KANASUBIGI (in the Bulgar inscriptions). The present day Bulgarians are people of mixed background: but mosly we are slavic since our language is slavic, acording to genetics the Thracians played big part into the forming of the Bulgarians, but since they are not that well known, we arent sure in what aspect, there are Thracian words and customs that remained. Bulgars played a very important part in the state building/the bulgarian ethnicity. There are lots of words that are thought to be of Bulgarian origin, but very few are turkic, most are Iranian. So at least 3 people formed the Bulgarians, but u could add also the Greeks, the Uzis, the Petchenegs, the Kumans, the Huns, the Celts. Even there is recorded settlments in Bulgaria of Nordics. I think the Bulgarians, as well as the Serbs (at least the original Iranian Serbs, the Slavs and the Ilirians mixed to form you), are of mixed origin. So are all balcan people.
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