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Post by Novi Pazar on Jun 30, 2009 5:07:33 GMT -5
Comparative duration of Bulgarian and Serbian rules in Macedonia — Bulgars and conquered Slavs in Macedonia
two nations — Bulgars are masters, and Macedonians slaves — Reasons why they never mingled — No traces left of Bulgarian rule in Macedonia, either ethnically or as regards civilization — Misconceptions concerning Bulgaria's role in the creation of Slav letters and literature — The Macedonians pioneers of Christianity among the Slavs — The first Slav apostles natives of Macedonia — Bulgars also receive Christianity from Macedonia— Language of earliest Slav books merely called "Slav" — Second Bulgarian rule in Macedonia, short, tyrannical, and obnoxious.
Serbs and Macedonians are but one nation — Serbian rulers the liberators and uniters of the Serbian nation into one state entity — Serbian rule m Macedonia represents the zenith of Serbian civilization — Building of monasteries and intellectual progress in Macedonia — Serbian literature in Macedonia — Dusan's Code originated in Macedonia — Macedonia the heart and focus of the Serbian Empire — Serbian capitals situated in Macedonia — State Councils, at which the fate of the nation was decided, held in Macedonia — It was in Macedonia that Serbia was elevated to the rank of an Empire and the Serbian Church to that of a Patriarchate — Byzantine influence reaches Serbia through Macedonia.
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Complete disappearance of the Bulgars under Turkish rule — Serbian national life not arrested by Turkish con- quest — Macedonians remain Serbian under Turkish rule — Significance of the independent Serbian Patriarchate for the Serbian nation during the Turkish rule — Mace- donia an integral part of the Serbian Patriarchate.
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Post by rusebg on Jun 30, 2009 5:30:33 GMT -5
Are you drunk or something?
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jun 30, 2009 5:40:14 GMT -5
Go on debunk ;D
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Post by rusebg on Jun 30, 2009 5:57:46 GMT -5
Just one small fragment of your stupidity:
So you agree there was a separate fyromian identity in the 9th century? Good. Go tell this to your Greek friends. You are funny person. So easy to deal with you.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jun 30, 2009 6:14:55 GMT -5
^ sure sure sure, its sickening to what new *lows* you go to.
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Post by rusebg on Jun 30, 2009 6:16:59 GMT -5
Fallen it the trap of your posts, right? Must be annoying...
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jun 30, 2009 7:51:46 GMT -5
^ its probably more fabrications like the stone inscription, so nothing bothers me Ruse, l see all my information must have pinched your nerve.....remember, l'm a thorn in bulgarian propaganda
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Post by ioan on Jun 30, 2009 13:54:48 GMT -5
No you should talk to u grandpa. U may suffer quick change of ethnicity.
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Post by terroreign on Jul 2, 2009 4:39:18 GMT -5
Novi thinks he's so smart because he made a quick generalized comparison of both conquests, purposely leaving out all of the bulgarian influences and history in macedonia, while emphasizing the serb ones.
In all fairness, it was the turkish empire that became engrained most within modern Macedonian society.
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Post by ioan on Jul 2, 2009 5:16:05 GMT -5
Everything that the fyromians are proud of today is Bulgarian Samuel was Bulgarian, not Serbian. Climent of Ohrid invented the cyrillic alphabeth and was a Bulgarian, not Serbian, sent in Macedonia by the Bulgarian tzar, not the Serbian kral. All the voevodas and fighters in 19-20 century like Goze Delchev, Kuzman Shapkarev etv: all declared they are Bulgarian. Actually all of the above is the glorious fyrom history and it is Bulgarian.
What Serbian do the fyroms actually acknowledge? The shortlived Dushan empire (I ll just mention here his mother was Bulgarian). Or what? Krali Marko? They do not claim him. They think he is Serbian and he was indeed Serbian ruling over Bulgarians, so they do not identify with any part of their history when they were ruled by Serbs (very short period indeed). On the other hand they claim Bulgarian rulers and heroes as their own. CONCLUSION: The difference between Serbian and Bulgarian rule: There was only Serbian rule that fyroms accepted as foreign. The Bulgarian rule was fyromian and viceversa. They accept our common history as their own because prior to 1945 the fyroms were Bulgarians. There was nothing foreigh in the bg rule. The same can not be said about the Serbian.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jul 2, 2009 5:44:39 GMT -5
Terroreign, vardarian history is serbian history ;D, go to the town of Srbinovo in vardar and you will see the light ;D
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Post by monsterofsouli on Jul 2, 2009 6:57:17 GMT -5
And whats the big difference between Bulgarians and Serbians? Finding it kind of odd that you guys keep talking about Fyrom. I say turn the place into a parking lot and build a Disney Land there.
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Post by terroreign on Jul 2, 2009 7:00:03 GMT -5
why not build an Alexander the Great Land?
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jul 2, 2009 7:29:11 GMT -5
^ Terroreign stop being a moron will you for once, monster has a point!.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jul 2, 2009 7:37:22 GMT -5
And whats the big difference between Bulgarians and Serbians? No difference. Eastern bulgos are most probably descendants of the Hercegovinians/Montenegrins. Western bulgos are practically Ekavica Serb speakers, who lost their identity only recently. (Shopski has cases like Serbian, and Serbian accent)
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Post by ioan on Jul 2, 2009 8:21:46 GMT -5
Pyrro I didnt know you are fluent in Shopski. By the way: about loosing your identity JUST RECENTLY: you should ask your close friend Novi about it. I m sure he knows everything about that process. It was deffinately NOT long ago for Torlakians.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jul 2, 2009 8:28:54 GMT -5
Same happened to my grandpa and all Gianniotes. They were ottoman citizens, and oopss in 21th Feb 1913, all of a sudden they became Greek! Isn't it amazing?
ITS CALLED LIBERATION
Very few balkanians like to remember ex-rulers, except janissaries of course who are the most fanatical - atan is such an example ;D BTW Ioan, you being from Varna are away from the red zone ;D ;D
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Post by ioan on Jul 2, 2009 8:36:41 GMT -5
You very well know that we are talking about different things. Hellenes were Greeks even under ottomans. Torlakians were Bulgarians, but one day they were "liberated" I guess. By the way: it doesnt matter where I am from: I want the fyroms to know their history, not manipulate and steal Bulgarian medievil history.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jul 2, 2009 8:50:59 GMT -5
You very well know that we are talking about different things. Hellenes were Greeks even under ottomans. Torlakians were Bulgarians, but one day they were "liberated" I guess. By the way: it doesnt matter where I am from: I want the fyroms to know their history, not manipulate and steal Bulgarian medievil history. If i remember correctly an "ETHNIC" map of yours which showed Vranje as of BULGARIAN ethnicity, also showed the "Hellenes" of Ioannina as ALBOS! As far as i know, NO SERBIAN pressure ever existed on those places, since they are THE MOST HARD CORE Serbs!! and they proved it in Kosovo War. (remember Nis bombing?) Next to them, another HARD CORE place with HARD CORE Serbs is Bosnia/Hercegovina. So you better change route when dealing with any of them. Opppssss i forgot Shumadija, Vojvodina, Kosovo, Eastern Serbia, Zlatibor-western Serbia ;D ;D
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Post by ioan on Jul 2, 2009 8:56:23 GMT -5
You are wrong. I didnt draw Vranje as Bulgarian. It was done by someone else who made the map 100 years ago. And this may come as a surprise: by there were lots of exchange of populace and its possible Ioanina had albanian majority. For example Bulgarian black sea: it was Greek populated back then now its not. Nish had Bulgarian majority in the beginning of 19 century.
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