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Post by ilirdardani on Jun 28, 2009 11:29:50 GMT -5
Bravo Ioan.
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Post by ioan on Jun 28, 2009 11:32:08 GMT -5
Of course, shejtani
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Post by ilirdardani on Jun 28, 2009 11:41:27 GMT -5
^ Also thanks for releasing Ceku. lol
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jun 28, 2009 11:43:30 GMT -5
Can you explain me, Pyrros, why Albanians say Suho or Suha where Serbs say Suvo or Suva ? And why Albanians say Rahovec for Orahovac ( -vec: Bulgarian form). That shows that Albanians took the Bulgarian form of toponyms ... Wait a sec. Albos dont have a word for "DRY"? gotta be kidding. Anyways, Suho is SerboCroatian. (Croatian) And we Greeks, say SuvoSeli, apparently because we like it more than SuvoSelo.
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Post by ioan on Jun 28, 2009 11:43:51 GMT -5
We did? I didnt know that.
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Post by ioan on Jun 28, 2009 11:46:58 GMT -5
Can you explain me, Pyrros, why Albanians say Suho or Suha where Serbs say Suvo or Suva ? And why Albanians say Rahovec for Orahovac ( -vec: Bulgarian form). That shows that Albanians took the Bulgarian form of toponyms ... Wait a sec. Albos dont have a word for "DRY"? gotta be kidding. Anyways, Suho is SerboCroatian. (Croatian) And we Greeks, say SuvoSeli, apparently because we like it more than SuvoSelo. Of course EVERY SLAVIC TOPONYM on the Bolkans UNDOUBTEDLY is SErbian, even where serbs never set foot. Happy? Good!!!!
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Post by rusebg on Jun 28, 2009 15:39:38 GMT -5
I see, now it is Croatian. Novi told you about some significant Croatian settlements in Kosovo? lol It can be anything but Bulgarian although Bulgaria ruled over this area almost twice longer than Serbia. Great. Pyrro, you are truly amazing.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jun 28, 2009 23:33:13 GMT -5
Shejtan, very Interesting what you said. Suvo must be older than 1400, as proved by the greek toponym. However Hercegovinians/Montenegrins may have used Suho.
In my theory, Original Jekavica (or Jakavica?) Slavic tribes were divided west and east. West went in today's Hercegovina/Coastal Croatia/MonteNegro and east went in today's north/east Bulgaria.
The center, from Slovenia->Srem->Central Serbia->Vardarska-Western Bulgaria->Greece spoke Ekavica. It is not weird that northern Croatia used to speak Ekavica as well, while Uzice and Loznica Jekavica.
So i kind of connect Suh with Jekavica(Jakavica), and Suvo with Ekavica.
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Post by insomniac on Jun 28, 2009 23:53:26 GMT -5
Slavic typonyms in Albania are Bulgarian. Like the village Roskovec close to my hometown. I believe Albania should rename them into our own version.
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Post by ioan on Jun 29, 2009 0:17:46 GMT -5
The center, from Slovenia->Srem->Central Serbia->Vardarska-Western Bulgaria->Greece spoke Ekavica. Uou, I didnt know that in Slovenia they spoke Bulgarian. Hmmmm. Tnx for the info.
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Post by ioan on Jun 29, 2009 0:20:17 GMT -5
Shejtan, very Interesting what you said. Suvo must be older than 1400, as proved by the greek toponym. However Hercegovinians/Montenegrins may have used Suho. In my theory, Original Jekavica (or Jakavica?) Slavic tribes were divided west and east. West went in today's Hercegovina/Coastal Croatia/MonteNegro and east went in today's north/east Bulgaria. The center, from Slovenia->Srem->Central Serbia->Vardarska-Western Bulgaria->Greece spoke Ekavica. It is not weird that northern Croatia used to speak Ekavica as well, while Uzice and Loznica Jekavica. So i kind of connect Suh with Jekavica(Jakavica), and Suvo with Ekavica. Actually Sheitan meant that pre 17 century the toponyms were Bulgarian, not Serbian. And that some Serbs purposely serbanized them. The problem is the Albanians kept the original Bulgarian versions.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jun 29, 2009 0:41:21 GMT -5
People, people, people, very silly people, read the Bulgarian Selishev's compilation of serbian topoymns in Albania.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jun 29, 2009 0:44:41 GMT -5
I want you to read and learn for the millonth time:
This will make it easier for us to understand the above-cited detail that the predominant toponomy was Graeco-Roman. With the penetration of the Slav tribes, however, in the main starting from the fifth century AD, Slav toponyms spread more and more, reaching also to the south of the Balkans. By the ninth century, a great part of present day Albania was already covered with Slav, mostly Serbian, toponyms. We will show the extent and duration of this phenomenon according to the results of our investigations which demanded much patience but which enabled us to gather an imposing number of several hundred Slav toponyms in Albania from maps (scale 1:100,000 & 1:200,000) of the 1920s and 1930s. We rejected all those toponyms which underwent linguistic change, that is, Albanization, whereby the Slav form was altered in its outward expression. In order to avoid any confusion we have retained only those names whose form still shows today their origin and there are over three hundred of these "pure" toponyms which we shall now list.
Baba Babin Babinja Babja Balaban Banja Bastare Bastrice Bezani + Belgrad Belice Belje Belove Belovode Berzeste Bistric Biserka Bistrica Bistrice Blace Bobostice Bodin Bodriste Bordani Borici Borje Borova + Borovjani Bradosnica Bratomira Breska Bresnik Brezdan Brostani Budisa Bukmira Buzgara Valjana Valjusa Varvara Veles Veljcan Gora Vernica + Vila Vodica Vojnika Vrakule Vranista Vranista Vrepska Vulcani Gabrica Gajtani Glava Gline Golem Golemi + Golik Goloberdo Goljovisti Gorica Goroselj Gostiviste + Grabom Grabova Grabove Grabovice Grabovo + Gradac Gradec Gradiste Gradiskije Grazdani Grazdenik Graliste Gracen Gracani Grace Grozdani Gruda Darda Debrova Desmira Dobra Dobric Dobruna + Dragan Dragavoja Draginje Dragobija Dragostun Dragove Dragus Draci Dracove Drasovice Drenove Drovjani Drugana Dusmani + Dvoran Oeriste Zepa Zupiste Zagora Zagorican Zagradec Zagradi Zagradcani Zapat Zaradiste Zavaljan Zvezda Izviri Izgara Izgoralec Jablanit Janjan Jezerces Jerka Jubica Kamare Kamenica + Kamicani Kamnik + Kapica Karista Kasarna Kilaziste Klena Klenja Klisari Kovaci Kovaciste + Kovacica Korite Kosan Kosina Kosmaci Kosovec Kosovo Kosteni Kostenja Kostican Kotor Kosarista + Kosovica Krajni Krasta Krstac Kula Lepusa Leskova Leskoviku Leskovinu Lesnica Lestice Livadasi Livadi Likova Lisan Lovina Lozani Logavista Lopusa Lubinja Ljesani Ljivadi Ljubonje + Mali Mucalj Maliseva Malibarde Malina Manastirec Memlista Mecka Milica Miljusi Mirovna Mocani Moglice Mogra Monastir Negovani Nepravista + Niksi + Nikolara Nikolica Nikoijica Nivice Novasela Novoselo Oblika Osojna Padina Pastani Pepeli Pestani Plana + Plovista Podgora Podgorani Podgori Podgoria Podgradec Pogradec Pojata + Polidani Poposina Porobani Potkozani Prekal Prekali Prenista Prodani Radan Radicina Radimiste Radimniste Rajce + Rahovice Rastan Rec Redi Recit Rodokalj Rovica Sama Sanista Sebista Selca Selec Seleka Selence Selenica + Sepetova Slabinje Slatina + Slova Sopot Sovjani St. Javore Stani Staravec Stare Starov Starova + Stebilova Stranik Strelca Suha Suhodoli Sv. Dimitrije Ternova Topljana Torovica Trasani Trebinje Treske Tresova Trosan Tuceni Ulova Uljmiste Ustinje Cerkovica Cernjeva Catiste Cesme Coban + Siroka Sistevac Skola Stit Sticeni Sumica
(the + sign alongside the name of a place indicates that the same name appears on the maps two or more times for different places).
We have already pointed out to our readers the fact that a not inconsiderable part of the fabric of the Albanian people is woven from the Slav people so that such a large number of Slav toponyms should come as no surprise. However, this is not a complete list of Slav, that is, Serbian toponyms. I have already said that only those forms which today point to a Serbian origin are given so that I draw the reader's attention to a precise map marked with Serbian toponyms on Albanian soil composed by the Bulgarian academic, A. Selisgev, for his book Slavyanskoe naselenie v Albanii, Sofia, 1931
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jun 29, 2009 0:47:14 GMT -5
See what l've done Ioan, underlined the words *mostly Serbian* and *Selishev*
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Post by rusebg on Jun 29, 2009 1:55:02 GMT -5
Novi, I have told you thousand times your sources suck big time. Selishev is Russian, not Bulgarian. And yeah... you underlined your ignorance...
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jun 29, 2009 2:53:00 GMT -5
The center, from Slovenia->Srem->Central Serbia->Vardarska-Western Bulgaria->Greece spoke Ekavica. Uou, I didnt know that in Slovenia they spoke Bulgarian. Hmmmm. Tnx for the info. of course they do. They are your ancestors. Sofia and west have vast similarities with Slovenians accent-wise. The east (varna) with Hercegovinians/Montenegrins accent-wise. ;D
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jun 29, 2009 2:54:50 GMT -5
Novi, I have told you thousand times your sources suck big time. Selishev is Russian, not Bulgarian. And yeah... you underlined your ignorance... he was half half you idiot. Aren't you in your exotic pool already?
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Post by shejtani on Jun 29, 2009 3:16:09 GMT -5
I want you to read and learn for the millonth time: This will make it easier for us to understand the above-cited detail that the predominant toponomy was Graeco-Roman. With the penetration of the Slav tribes, however, in the main starting from the fifth century AD, Slav toponyms spread more and more, reaching also to the south of the Balkans. By the ninth century, a great part of present day Albania was already covered with Slav, mostly Serbian, toponyms. We will show the extent and duration of this phenomenon according to the results of our investigations which demanded much patience but which enabled us to gather an imposing number of several hundred Slav toponyms in Albania from maps (scale 1:100,000 & 1:200,000) of the 1920s and 1930s. We rejected all those toponyms which underwent linguistic change, that is, Albanization, whereby the Slav form was altered in its outward expression. In order to avoid any confusion we have retained only those names whose form still shows today their origin and there are over three hundred of these "pure" toponyms which we shall now list. Baba Babin Babinja Babja Balaban Banja Bastare Bastrice Bezani + Belgrad Belice Belje Belove Belovode Berzeste Bistric Biserka Bistrica Bistrice Blace Bobostice Bodin Bodriste Bordani Borici Borje Borova + Borovjani Bradosnica Bratomira Breska Bresnik Brezdan Brostani Budisa Bukmira Buzgara Valjana Valjusa Varvara Veles Veljcan Gora Vernica + Vila Vodica Vojnika Vrakule Vranista Vranista Vrepska Vulcani Gabrica Gajtani Glava Gline Golem Golemi + Golik Goloberdo Goljovisti Gorica Goroselj Gostiviste + Grabom Grabova Grabove Grabovice Grabovo + Gradac Gradec Gradiste Gradiskije Grazdani Grazdenik Graliste Gracen Gracani Grace Grozdani Gruda Darda Debrova Desmira Dobra Dobric Dobruna + Dragan Dragavoja Draginje Dragobija Dragostun Dragove Dragus Draci Dracove Drasovice Drenove Drovjani Drugana Dusmani + Dvoran Oeriste Zepa Zupiste Zagora Zagorican Zagradec Zagradi Zagradcani Zapat Zaradiste Zavaljan Zvezda Izviri Izgara Izgoralec Jablanit Janjan Jezerces Jerka Jubica Kamare Kamenica + Kamicani Kamnik + Kapica Karista Kasarna Kilaziste Klena Klenja Klisari Kovaci Kovaciste + Kovacica Korite Kosan Kosina Kosmaci Kosovec Kosovo Kosteni Kostenja Kostican Kotor Kosarista + Kosovica Krajni Krasta Krstac Kula Lepusa Leskova Leskoviku Leskovinu Lesnica Lestice Livadasi Livadi Likova Lisan Lovina Lozani Logavista Lopusa Lubinja Ljesani Ljivadi Ljubonje + Mali Mucalj Maliseva Malibarde Malina Manastirec Memlista Mecka Milica Miljusi Mirovna Mocani Moglice Mogra Monastir Negovani Nepravista + Niksi + Nikolara Nikolica Nikoijica Nivice Novasela Novoselo Oblika Osojna Padina Pastani Pepeli Pestani Plana + Plovista Podgora Podgorani Podgori Podgoria Podgradec Pogradec Pojata + Polidani Poposina Porobani Potkozani Prekal Prekali Prenista Prodani Radan Radicina Radimiste Radimniste Rajce + Rahovice Rastan Rec Redi Recit Rodokalj Rovica Sama Sanista Sebista Selca Selec Seleka Selence Selenica + Sepetova Slabinje Slatina + Slova Sopot Sovjani St. Javore Stani Staravec Stare Starov Starova + Stebilova Stranik Strelca Suha Suhodoli Sv. Dimitrije Ternova Topljana Torovica Trasani Trebinje Treske Tresova Trosan Tuceni Ulova Uljmiste Ustinje Cerkovica Cernjeva Catiste Cesme Coban + Siroka Sistevac Skola Stit Sticeni Sumica (the + sign alongside the name of a place indicates that the same name appears on the maps two or more times for different places). We have already pointed out to our readers the fact that a not inconsiderable part of the fabric of the Albanian people is woven from the Slav people so that such a large number of Slav toponyms should come as no surprise. However, this is not a complete list of Slav, that is, Serbian toponyms. I have already said that only those forms which today point to a Serbian origin are given so that I draw the reader's attention to a precise map marked with Serbian toponyms on Albanian soil composed by the Bulgarian academic, A. Selisgev, for his book Slavyanskoe naselenie v Albanii, Sofia, 1931Actually this is the website where you got the text from that says most of the Slavic toponyms in Albania are Serbian ... Not Selishev !! Plus, the website is a fanatic nationalist Serbian website. www.kosovo.net/history/kosovo_origins/ko_chapter13.htmlSlavic toponyms in Albania are mostly Bulgarian !!!!!
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jun 29, 2009 4:03:06 GMT -5
^ Is the author (Hugo Roth) serbian shejtani? or is the Bulgarian from Russia Selishev Serbian also?
There is a Borova in Albania like in Kosovo where my uncle is from.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jun 29, 2009 4:07:38 GMT -5
"Novi, I have told you thousand times your sources suck big time. Selishev is Russian, not Bulgarian. And yeah... you underlined your ignorance..."
And for the thousand time your unable to prove them wrong. Ruse could you enlighten me with the Pirin Vardar topoymn of Petric(h), whats the history behind this town?
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