ioan
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Post by ioan on Aug 6, 2009 22:52:26 GMT -5
Prokich seems like the most laughable "historian". One has to have 0 knowlegde on those rebelians or just to work for the Serbian cause. Anyways, one have to be accepted: the so called by this phantasist "Macedonian" Slavs actually accept as theirs only people that have declared their Bulgarian origin: Samuel included. Those "pure" Serbs accept Dushan and Marko and Uglesha etc (all Serbian rulers) as foreign, as Serbs, not "Macedonians". What that tells you?
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Post by Novi Pazar on Aug 7, 2009 0:07:52 GMT -5
^ Ioan, serbs never had an exarchate nor did they ever fabricate chit with regards to vardar....l would have more faith in them than the Bulgarian historians.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Aug 7, 2009 0:33:37 GMT -5
A large town located in the Pelagonia Valley of south-central Macedonia, Prilep has been inhabited since Neolithic times. In the later 14th century, it was for a time the capital of Macedonia’s most famous medieval king, Krali Marko, a legendary warrior who became an important figure in Macedonian epic poetry. His impregnable fortress still adorns a hill above the town. The other major attraction of the Prilep area is the cliff top monastery of St Archangel Mikhail. www.orfej.com.mk/macedonia/tours/tours_prilep.htmJust an example of billions l've seen, anyway l don't mind because marko is one of theirs also
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Post by Novi Pazar on Aug 7, 2009 0:45:31 GMT -5
"Frustration continued to boil in Macedonia and in 1072 the Macedonian people again took to the streets and began another rebellion. Led by George Voyteh a revolt broke out in Skopje and was immediately assisted by Michael, the ruler of Zeta, who was related to Samoil. Michael sent his son Constantine Bodin along with three hundred of his elite troops to join Voyteh and his rebels at Prizren and immediately proclaimed him emperor under the name Peter, in honour of the fallen Peter Delyan." Anyway, this is what that crap artist Stefov has to say about vojteh. www.maknews.com/html/articles/stefov/stefov105.html
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Post by ioan on Aug 7, 2009 2:03:37 GMT -5
A large town located in the Pelagonia Valley of south-central Macedonia, Prilep has been inhabited since Neolithic times. In the later 14th century, it was for a time the capital of Macedonia’s most famous medieval king, Krali Marko, a legendary warrior who became an important figure in Macedonian epic poetry. His impregnable fortress still adorns a hill above the town. The other major attraction of the Prilep area is the cliff top monastery of St Archangel Mikhail. www.orfej.com.mk/macedonia/tours/tours_prilep.htmJust an example of billions l've seen, anyway l don't mind because marko is one of theirs also NOT GOOD ENOUGH. IN BULGARIAN epic poetry MARKO is also important figure.
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Post by srbobran on Aug 7, 2009 15:17:49 GMT -5
Novi, thanks for the info. I read up more on Vojvoda Ivac and his life. It seems he was quite an able military commander and the only way the Byzantines could defeat him was through trickery. On the day of his Slava, the Byzantine commander of Macedonia showed up at his doorstep and since it is a Serbian tradition to accept anyone into your home on your Slava, Ivac welcomed the Byzantine commander. The Byzantines then, later on, overpowered Ivac and took him away.
Anyways, do you have any more names or information on Serbian commanders in Macedonia during this time period?
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Post by rusebg on Aug 7, 2009 15:26:35 GMT -5
Sure. And the neolithic inhabitants were Serbs, right? Just like that man from Lepinski vir, found dead 7000 years ago and claimed by Highduke as the first Serb?
Novi, you are such a joke...
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Post by Novi Pazar on Aug 7, 2009 21:29:11 GMT -5
"Novi, you are such a joke..."
Not me, say that to the historians, your a person of wise eastern knowledge.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Aug 7, 2009 21:34:07 GMT -5
"NOT GOOD ENOUGH. IN BULGARIAN epic poetry MARKO is also important figure."
Its really heartening to hear them say 'most famous medieval king'. Its good enough, don't you worry Ioan ;D.
So are you now going to tell me Krali Marko's songs are Bulgarian origin lmao, like that stupid idiot Misirkov!.
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Post by rusebg on Aug 8, 2009 2:43:34 GMT -5
There are Bulgarian songs for Krali Marko, just as there are Serbian songs for him. That shouldn't be tough for anyone to comprehend, even you. Novi, why don't you translate this song into Serbian so we can see what happens if we compare the two versions. Pyrro can do that as well. He has heard people talking in Nis so that wouldn't be a hard task for him ;D
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Post by Novi Pazar on Aug 8, 2009 20:05:50 GMT -5
^ haha, sure Ruse.
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Post by ljubotan on Aug 10, 2009 12:24:54 GMT -5
Both sides have a point but what I do know is that the people from Polog have always sided with Serbdom even prior to 1878. There were Serbian schools in some local villages there in 1842, before any so called Serbian or Bulgarian influences.
Many in these areas trace their roots from Kosovo and I believe that is why, but we can't deny the use of some basic everyday like 'sega' and 'razbiram', which are used in Bulgaria. This may be related to the Bulgarian expansion over Kosovo back in the 10th century; I'm not sure but maybe someone else with much more background can comment.
For the vast majority 'Macedonians' do feel closer to Serbs than Bulgarians; even the one's that hate 'Serbs'. While I do not deny the Bulgarian element in Macedonia one cannot deny the fact of Serbdom there today. If we had no albanians and if macedonia was a catholic country for instance majority of those orthodox slavs would openly voice their serbian roots in a census!!
The biggest mistake on Serbia's part was Vuk Karadzic not expanding Serbian literacy/grammer to include the speech from the south. Think, if Vuk was from Vranje the official Serbian language would sound like 'Torlak'.
Its too bad that we call couldn't exist in one state (Serbs, Vardi's and Bugari). I am for FYROM being renamed to 'Vardija'.
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Post by ioan on Aug 10, 2009 12:49:40 GMT -5
Ljubotan, I think you are well balanced, positive friend from fyrom! Maybe the nicest one. I agree with what you ve posted but I agree about the situation TODAY. Today, after 130 years Serbian rule, fyroms do feel closer to Serbia. Exept that the macedonism lies on the antibulgarian propaganda. If it wasnt for the Yugoslav Bulgarophobic history books, the so called Macedonians would ve known there is no difference between fyroms and Bulgarians. I hope they ll get it one day.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Aug 10, 2009 21:02:29 GMT -5
^ Ioan, tell the readers about Tito's policies with regards to vardar.
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