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Post by ioan on Aug 27, 2009 8:52:55 GMT -5
I do not think there is difference between those two ethnicities. From what evidence I have seen I tend to see them as a mixture of both . Hmmmmmmmmm. Maybe you mean mixture of Slavs and Bulgars, not Slavs and Bulgarians. The Bulgarian nation, part of which the fyroms were up till 1945, is a result of the mixing of the domestic Thracians, the invading Slavs and the Bulgars that established the country. So today the Bulgarians are desedants of the abovementioned 3 tribes. However the mixing happened in the late 9 the century. After that and from 10 century onwards we can speak only of BULGARIANS. The Bulgarians in fyrom were not different from the Bulgarians from other parts of the Bulgarian lands.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Aug 27, 2009 8:57:10 GMT -5
Ioan's theory is interesting. We dont know exactly who bulgarians are, but all the balkans are surely bulgarian lands...
too simplistic for anyone to believe!
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Post by ioan on Aug 27, 2009 9:00:14 GMT -5
Not all Balkanian lands.
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Post by macmako on Aug 27, 2009 10:48:45 GMT -5
Non-Macedonians do not need to tell Macedonians who they are. They know already and need no one's help.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Aug 27, 2009 12:11:56 GMT -5
Non-Macedonians do not need to tell Macedonians who they are. They know already and need no one's help. And what are the greek makedonians, the whole 2,000,000 of them? FROM MARS?
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Post by rex362 on Aug 27, 2009 15:35:17 GMT -5
Oh ! ok all knowing Pyrros Pyrros being all knowing is correct ....every greek should be like Pyrros ;D
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Post by Arxileas on Aug 27, 2009 19:44:08 GMT -5
Pyrros being all knowing is correct ....every greek should be like Pyrros
;D Nothing wrong to disagree from time to time and if Albs were smart enough also, they would realize they support a looney state “Fyrom” which wants eastern part of Albania Eeek eeek you say Help Greece !. .
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Post by L0gjICK on Aug 28, 2009 7:30:18 GMT -5
Pyrros being all knowing is correct ....every greek should be like Pyrros
;D Nothing wrong to disagree from time to time and if Albs were smart enough also, they would realize they support a looney state “Fyrom” which wants eastern part of Albania Eeek eeek you say Help Greece !. . LOL FYROM "wants" what it can't have. FYROM could "want" Macedonia's old empire, but it doesn't mean they will get it. Besides, FYROM'ers do not have serious aspirations for Eastern Albania. Only crazy Neo-Nationalistic Macedonians would want this to happen, even then it's not even close to a reality. 2001 showed Macedonia could barely handle the NLA, let alone a real army (I'm not saying Albania's army is top notch, but certainly stronger then the NLA.) Stop stirring shit for the sake of it. The main issue between FYROM'ers and Albanians concern the Albanian Minority Rights in Macedonia. Territorial claims for Eastern Albania are irrelevant.
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Post by rex362 on Aug 28, 2009 9:56:53 GMT -5
Archie .....if greece ignored the fyromaniacs like us Albanians since 1992
you wouldnt be here discussing it bcs the matter wouldnt exist I blame greece for keeping this bs going also giving them more press than they could of ever gotten by far
anyways you and fyromaniacs are same skata they stir the pot you get the electric blenders out and keep their stew cooking ....we Albs spit in their stew
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Aug 28, 2009 11:08:47 GMT -5
I think you're missing the point of this thread. And I've proven that point. If you want to argue about who is Macedonian and etc, then argue it somewhere else. Which one are; Slav Macedonian = Slav from the geographical region of Macedonia. Bulgarian Macedonian = Bulgarian from the geographical region of Macedonia. Greek Macedonian = Greek from the geographical region of Macedonian. Arxilias & why on earth didn't you include the option of ancient Macedonians? That's who these people think they are. These FYROMians think they have the oldest culture & identity in the Balkans when the overwhealming fact is that they have the newest identity in the Balkans. Very very new. They really have no right what so ever to be called Macedonians. If their country contains "some" of the geographic region of Macedonia it is still extremely unfair & missleading that they should lay claim to the Hellenic Macedonian name and identity.
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Post by macmako on Aug 28, 2009 18:09:35 GMT -5
Non-Macedonians do not need to tell Macedonians who they are. They know already and need no one's help. And what are the greek makedonians, the whole 2,000,000 of them? FROM MARS? There are Greeks, then there are Macedonians. If you call yourself Macedonian, then do not call yourself Greek, unless you are both, like me. I am Greek and I am Macedonian. You are Greek, period!!
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Post by Arxileas on Aug 28, 2009 20:33:33 GMT -5
T here are Greeks, then there are Macedonians. If you call yourself Macedonian, then do not call yourself Greek, unless you are both, like me. I am Greek and I am Macedonian. You are Greek, period!!There seems to be a lot of confusion. Let’s clear things up. There is the authentic Macedonia of Greece and there is a small Balkan state that uses the same name. The authentic Macedonia (or Greek Macedonia) is one of the biggest regions of Greece. It is situated in the north part of Greece and it borders 3 Balkan states. "According to ancient Greek mythology, Macedon - Greek “Μακεδών” “Makedōn”, poetic “Μακηδών” “Makēdōn” - was the name of the first phylarch (tribal chief) of the “Μακεδόνες” “Makedónes”, the part of the “Μακεδνοί” “Makednoí” tribe which initially settled in Greece in western, southern and central Macedonia and founded the Greek kingdom of Macedon. According to Herodotus (Histories 8.47), the “Makednoí’ were in turn a tribe of the Dorians (yes the Greek tribe). All these names are probably derived from the Doric adjective “μακεδνός” “makednós” (Attic μηκεδανός mēkedanós), meaning "tall". This in turn is derived from the Doric noun μᾶκος mākos (Attic and Modern Greek μάκρος mákros and μῆκος mēkos), meaning "length". Both the Macedonians (Makedónes) and their Makednoí tribal ancestors were regarded as tall people, and they are likely to have received their name on account of their height. Macedonia or Macedon has played a most significant part in Greek history ! The ancient Macedonia was a Greek kingdom and it was roughly the same size as the modern region of authentic Macedonia. From the Greek state of Macedonia Alexander started his epic campaign of spreading the Greek culture and the Greek civilization all over the known word. His campaign was so successful that for nearly 300 years Greek [Hellenistic] Kingdoms controlled Asia Minor, Middle East, Egypt and even the north part of India. There is also a state that emerged from Yugoslavia and it is officially recognized by United Nations as FYROM "meaning Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia". That country has no relation with ancient (or modern) Greek Macedonia but it is instead a Slavic/Albanian country. The 55% of the population are Slav-Macedonians "of Bulgarian origin" and the 35% are Albanian-Macedonians. The real name of that state is Makedonija "a Slavic alternative of the Greek name Macedonia" but that country is using internationally the Greek name Macedonia and a lot tend to confuse the Slavic / Albanian state with Greek Macedonia). Of course the government of FYROM (Slavic / Albanian-Macedonia) has clearly stated that they are not linked to Greek Macedonia and Alexander the Great and is still doing a great effort to stop the few fanatics from compromising the stability of the new state. Also the Slav / Albanian Macedonia is negotiating with Greece (under the UN authority) for an international name that will not insult the Greeks and will not have any claim against Greek Macedonia. .
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Post by macmako on Aug 29, 2009 0:53:57 GMT -5
Who needs all that to scramble already confused Greek minds. Make it simple. There are Greeks, then there are Macedonians. If you call yourself Macedonian, then do not call yourself Greek, unless you are both, like me. I am Greek and I am Macedonian. You are Greek, period!!
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Post by chalkedon on Aug 29, 2009 16:08:20 GMT -5
go to maknews forums...your perfect for that place. its like telling an austrian they are not german. Stupidity has no bounds nowadays. Dont be ashamed your half bulgarian...deal with it.
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