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THE SLAV IN GREEKS
In accordance with its political needs of the time, after the Republic of Macedonia declared its independence from Yugoslavia, the Greek government decided to muddy the issue by calling the indigenous Macedonian people in the Republic of Macedonia by a variety of names including Slavs, Slav-Macedonians, Fyromians, Skopjans, Vardarians, Bulgarians, South-Serbs, etc! Many Greek people around the world, like lost sheep, also follow suit!
Across the border inside "Greek occupied Macedonia" indigenous Macedonians who are true to themselves and who don’t buy into the Greek propaganda, have always referred to themselves simply as "Macedonians". The Greek government unfortunately has labeled them traitors and to justify their existence calls them "Slavophone-Greeks", "Slav speakers with a Greek consciousness", "Agents of Skopje", “Fyromian spies”, etc.
Ironically the "imposters", Turkish Christian Refugees and others dumped in Greek occupied Macedonia who falsely claim to be "Macedonians" or "Greek-Macedonians" today call the real Macedonians “Slavs”. In another ironic twist these imposters also call the real Macedonians "Endopyi" which means “indigenous” in Greek!
Recent independent DNA and Genetic experiments show Modern Greeks have a relationship with the Sub-Saharan ethnic groups now residing in Ethiopia, Sudan and West Africa (Burkina-Fasso)! (mind you, there's nothing wrong with that) Macedonians are not related with the geographically close Greeks! But behind the Greek veil is there indeed no "Slav" ingredient/s in the DNA and genetic makeup of the people of the Ancient City-States and the Modern Greek? Not to mention "Slavic" cultural influence as well? After all, Macedonian genes appear to be closer to Cretan (Crete) genes!
According to recently deciphered ancient inscriptions and archeological finds; the Anatolian Plateau, the Aegean Islands, the entire Southern Balkans (where the Republic of Macedonia and Greece are today), Central and South-Eastern Europe was for well over 5,000 years proto-Slavic (tribes of people who spoke the same "word" or "slov", which later evolved to "Slav") before there were the Ancient City- States or any Greece!!! (no wonder Greece refuses to allow foreign archeologists to dig in its soil!)
The Ancient Sub-Saharan Mycenaean invaders were the "first Greeks" from across the Mediterranean to colonize the Peloponnesus and the Aegean Islands (Crete, Thera, etc) around 1600 BC! They assimilated the original indigenous inhabitants, the "proto-Slav" "Southern" Aegean Pelasgians who lived on these territories, adopting aspects of their language and culture in the process (and falsifying it as Greek today!) The Sub-Saharan Mycenaeans took the alphabet of the indigenous proto-Slav inhabitants of Crete (Linear A) after conquering them around 1450 BC to write an early form of Greek (Linear B)! The Sub-Saharan Mycenaeans are also the famous conquerors of Proto-Slavic Troy which occurred around 1193 BC – 1183 BC according to Homer!
After the Mycenaean civilization collapsed around 1100 BC (this is open to debate about how and why it happened! You can draw your own conclusions) the Peloponnesus transformed further both culturally and linguistically due to the arrival of the more civilized Egyptians, who overwhelmed the existing population only to eventually become assimilated themselves in the new cultural melting pot! Phoenician colonists arrived around this time as well (a proto-Slavic people according to German Toponimist Max Fasmer). This transformation (the melting pot) resulted in the formation of the so-called Ancient Greeks. The Peloponnesians or so-called Ancient Greeks received their alphabet from the Phoenicians (although the pre-Hellenic proto-Slav Pelasgian alphabet pre-dated this!).
In the making of the International Mediterranean Koine or Common Language (which has been hijacked by the Modern State of Greece and called "Greek" today) the Ancient Peloponnesians or the people of the Ancient City-States started to add phonemes and symbols onto foreign/indigenous words in the creation of their own language! In this language (Koine) the overwhelming selection of words were of indigenous proto-Slavic origin (ie Pelasgian and/or Phoenician) and a lesser amount were Arab words. (ie Sub-Saharan Mycenaean invaders and/or Egyptian words) However, some words were not translated and left as original! These words are similar to today’s Macedonian words! On the other hand US Scientists today are not counting on Modern Greeks as even belonging to the Indo-European peoples because the Modern Greek language has so many Arabisms!
This predominantly Sub-Saharan Mycenaean and/or Afro-Asiatic yoke and menace (the Ancient City-States, so called Ancient Greece today) did not penetrate north into Macedonia beyond the coastal cities at Chalcidice. Macedonia or Make-don-ija being the "Mothers-Domain" of a select group of ancient "northern" united proto-Slav tribes, as mentioned earlier, according to recent Archeological evidence have been there for well over 5,000 years, long before any of the others arrived. The Mycenaean Greeks arrived and settled on European soil at the Peloponnesus around 1600 BC!
The Romans were next to add their genes to the people of the Ancient City-States during the centuries of occupation. There is also evidence that after repeated wars and conflicts around this time, the offspring of the population of the Ancient City-States was reduced to hybrids and/or "mere Mongrels"! Also around this time there is evidence that the population of the Ancient City States consisted of free citizens with the other half being Slaves which included blacks from Africa! There were no Slaves in Macedonia!
Centuries later Goths, Huns and "other" barbarian invaders added their genes to the so-called Greeks.
Evidence of further and/or "Other" Slav yoke (that is Slav speakers from north of the Danube River) which constitutes part of the modern Greek genetic makeup today comes from one of their own! The Greek historian Paparigopoulos admits that in the 6th and 8th centuries AD Slavs from over the Carpathian Mountains immigrated as far south as the Peloponnesian peninsula and even some Aegean islands and settled there. He says that Slavs settled in Epirus, Thessally, Roumeli and the Peloponnesian peninsula. What happened to them?
The Turks were the next invaders to occupy Greece for 400 years and added their genes to the Greek gene pool. Throw in Roma, Vlachs, Albanians, Armenians, Egyptians, etc, etc, and over the span of two thousand years you come up with “pure Greeks”. A mongrel race like no other. And there you have it! The Modern Greeks are the direct descendants of the glorious Ancient Hellenes! (the people of the non-existent so called Ancient Greece) Super-gifted (god-like) people who civilized the world! What absolute RUBBISH!
Modern Greeks use the word "Slav" as a derogatory term to lash out at the Macedonians. It has become synonymous with Greek hatred. Hypocritical really, considering that the modern Greek genetic makeup consists of the very same people (and others of course) they so loath and despise!
www.maknews.com/html/articles/stefov/digest_8.html
Here is some great quotes...
For these "so-called" Scholars and/or Professors of so-called Ancient-Greece here is some food for thought: supported by recently discovered archeological evidence the term "Macedonia" or Make-don-ija means "Mothers-Domain". It is the territory where a selection of ancient "northern" proto-Slav tribes united. The descendants of those "united proto-Slavs" are the Modern Macedonians who live in all of geographic Macedonia which was divided in 1913. Like their ancestors, the Modern Macedonians too speak a Slavic language. As mentioned earlier, the Turkish Christians (settlers from Turkey) and others thrown into the Greek occupied part of Macedonia from 1913 and from the 1920's onwards who call themselves Macedonian are in fact "imposters"! Spurred on by the Greek government these "imposters" falsely bellow out loudly proclaiming to be "Macedonians" or "Greek-Macedonians" and they do this at the expense of the true Macedonians, the oppressed Slav speaking indigenous people.
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The Ancient Sub-Saharan Mycenaean invaders were the "first Greeks" from across the Mediterranean to colonize the Peloponnesus and the Aegean Islands (Crete, Thera, etc) around 1600 BC! They assimilated the original indigenous inhabitants, the "proto-Slav" "Southern" Aegean Pelasgians who lived on these territories, adopting aspects of their language and culture in the process (and falsifying it as Greek today!) The Sub-Saharan Mycenaeans took the alphabet of the indigenous proto-Slav inhabitants of Crete (Linear A) after conquering them around 1450 BC to write an early form of Greek (Linear B)! The Sub-Saharan Mycenaeans are also the famous conquerors of Proto-Slavic Troy which occurred around 1193 BC – 1183 BC according to Homer!
THE SLAV IN GREEKS
In accordance with its political needs of the time, after the Republic of Macedonia declared its independence from Yugoslavia, the Greek government decided to muddy the issue by calling the indigenous Macedonian people in the Republic of Macedonia by a variety of names including Slavs, Slav-Macedonians, Fyromians, Skopjans, Vardarians, Bulgarians, South-Serbs, etc! Many Greek people around the world, like lost sheep, also follow suit!
Across the border inside "Greek occupied Macedonia" indigenous Macedonians who are true to themselves and who don’t buy into the Greek propaganda, have always referred to themselves simply as "Macedonians". The Greek government unfortunately has labeled them traitors and to justify their existence calls them "Slavophone-Greeks", "Slav speakers with a Greek consciousness", "Agents of Skopje", “Fyromian spies”, etc.
Ironically the "imposters", Turkish Christian Refugees and others dumped in Greek occupied Macedonia who falsely claim to be "Macedonians" or "Greek-Macedonians" today call the real Macedonians “Slavs”. In another ironic twist these imposters also call the real Macedonians "Endopyi" which means “indigenous” in Greek!
Recent independent DNA and Genetic experiments show Modern Greeks have a relationship with the Sub-Saharan ethnic groups now residing in Ethiopia, Sudan and West Africa (Burkina-Fasso)! (mind you, there's nothing wrong with that) Macedonians are not related with the geographically close Greeks! But behind the Greek veil is there indeed no "Slav" ingredient/s in the DNA and genetic makeup of the people of the Ancient City-States and the Modern Greek? Not to mention "Slavic" cultural influence as well? After all, Macedonian genes appear to be closer to Cretan (Crete) genes!
According to recently deciphered ancient inscriptions and archeological finds; the Anatolian Plateau, the Aegean Islands, the entire Southern Balkans (where the Republic of Macedonia and Greece are today), Central and South-Eastern Europe was for well over 5,000 years proto-Slavic (tribes of people who spoke the same "word" or "slov", which later evolved to "Slav") before there were the Ancient City- States or any Greece!!! (no wonder Greece refuses to allow foreign archeologists to dig in its soil!)
The Ancient Sub-Saharan Mycenaean invaders were the "first Greeks" from across the Mediterranean to colonize the Peloponnesus and the Aegean Islands (Crete, Thera, etc) around 1600 BC! They assimilated the original indigenous inhabitants, the "proto-Slav" "Southern" Aegean Pelasgians who lived on these territories, adopting aspects of their language and culture in the process (and falsifying it as Greek today!) The Sub-Saharan Mycenaeans took the alphabet of the indigenous proto-Slav inhabitants of Crete (Linear A) after conquering them around 1450 BC to write an early form of Greek (Linear B)! The Sub-Saharan Mycenaeans are also the famous conquerors of Proto-Slavic Troy which occurred around 1193 BC – 1183 BC according to Homer!
After the Mycenaean civilization collapsed around 1100 BC (this is open to debate about how and why it happened! You can draw your own conclusions) the Peloponnesus transformed further both culturally and linguistically due to the arrival of the more civilized Egyptians, who overwhelmed the existing population only to eventually become assimilated themselves in the new cultural melting pot! Phoenician colonists arrived around this time as well (a proto-Slavic people according to German Toponimist Max Fasmer). This transformation (the melting pot) resulted in the formation of the so-called Ancient Greeks. The Peloponnesians or so-called Ancient Greeks received their alphabet from the Phoenicians (although the pre-Hellenic proto-Slav Pelasgian alphabet pre-dated this!).
In the making of the International Mediterranean Koine or Common Language (which has been hijacked by the Modern State of Greece and called "Greek" today) the Ancient Peloponnesians or the people of the Ancient City-States started to add phonemes and symbols onto foreign/indigenous words in the creation of their own language! In this language (Koine) the overwhelming selection of words were of indigenous proto-Slavic origin (ie Pelasgian and/or Phoenician) and a lesser amount were Arab words. (ie Sub-Saharan Mycenaean invaders and/or Egyptian words) However, some words were not translated and left as original! These words are similar to today’s Macedonian words! On the other hand US Scientists today are not counting on Modern Greeks as even belonging to the Indo-European peoples because the Modern Greek language has so many Arabisms!
This predominantly Sub-Saharan Mycenaean and/or Afro-Asiatic yoke and menace (the Ancient City-States, so called Ancient Greece today) did not penetrate north into Macedonia beyond the coastal cities at Chalcidice. Macedonia or Make-don-ija being the "Mothers-Domain" of a select group of ancient "northern" united proto-Slav tribes, as mentioned earlier, according to recent Archeological evidence have been there for well over 5,000 years, long before any of the others arrived. The Mycenaean Greeks arrived and settled on European soil at the Peloponnesus around 1600 BC!
The Romans were next to add their genes to the people of the Ancient City-States during the centuries of occupation. There is also evidence that after repeated wars and conflicts around this time, the offspring of the population of the Ancient City-States was reduced to hybrids and/or "mere Mongrels"! Also around this time there is evidence that the population of the Ancient City States consisted of free citizens with the other half being Slaves which included blacks from Africa! There were no Slaves in Macedonia!
Centuries later Goths, Huns and "other" barbarian invaders added their genes to the so-called Greeks.
Evidence of further and/or "Other" Slav yoke (that is Slav speakers from north of the Danube River) which constitutes part of the modern Greek genetic makeup today comes from one of their own! The Greek historian Paparigopoulos admits that in the 6th and 8th centuries AD Slavs from over the Carpathian Mountains immigrated as far south as the Peloponnesian peninsula and even some Aegean islands and settled there. He says that Slavs settled in Epirus, Thessally, Roumeli and the Peloponnesian peninsula. What happened to them?
The Turks were the next invaders to occupy Greece for 400 years and added their genes to the Greek gene pool. Throw in Roma, Vlachs, Albanians, Armenians, Egyptians, etc, etc, and over the span of two thousand years you come up with “pure Greeks”. A mongrel race like no other. And there you have it! The Modern Greeks are the direct descendants of the glorious Ancient Hellenes! (the people of the non-existent so called Ancient Greece) Super-gifted (god-like) people who civilized the world! What absolute RUBBISH!
Modern Greeks use the word "Slav" as a derogatory term to lash out at the Macedonians. It has become synonymous with Greek hatred. Hypocritical really, considering that the modern Greek genetic makeup consists of the very same people (and others of course) they so loath and despise!
www.maknews.com/html/articles/stefov/digest_8.html
Here is some great quotes...
For these "so-called" Scholars and/or Professors of so-called Ancient-Greece here is some food for thought: supported by recently discovered archeological evidence the term "Macedonia" or Make-don-ija means "Mothers-Domain". It is the territory where a selection of ancient "northern" proto-Slav tribes united. The descendants of those "united proto-Slavs" are the Modern Macedonians who live in all of geographic Macedonia which was divided in 1913. Like their ancestors, the Modern Macedonians too speak a Slavic language. As mentioned earlier, the Turkish Christians (settlers from Turkey) and others thrown into the Greek occupied part of Macedonia from 1913 and from the 1920's onwards who call themselves Macedonian are in fact "imposters"! Spurred on by the Greek government these "imposters" falsely bellow out loudly proclaiming to be "Macedonians" or "Greek-Macedonians" and they do this at the expense of the true Macedonians, the oppressed Slav speaking indigenous people.
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The Ancient Sub-Saharan Mycenaean invaders were the "first Greeks" from across the Mediterranean to colonize the Peloponnesus and the Aegean Islands (Crete, Thera, etc) around 1600 BC! They assimilated the original indigenous inhabitants, the "proto-Slav" "Southern" Aegean Pelasgians who lived on these territories, adopting aspects of their language and culture in the process (and falsifying it as Greek today!) The Sub-Saharan Mycenaeans took the alphabet of the indigenous proto-Slav inhabitants of Crete (Linear A) after conquering them around 1450 BC to write an early form of Greek (Linear B)! The Sub-Saharan Mycenaeans are also the famous conquerors of Proto-Slavic Troy which occurred around 1193 BC – 1183 BC according to Homer!