Kralj Vatra
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Oct 7, 2009 3:13:29 GMT -5
Thats the idea I have for Balkans and Balkanians too. I have also that positive feeling for all Balkanians. How can you explain that to Pyrros... ? Basil, you like Macedonians but you speak about them (in many occasions) as if they are animals. If somebody needs someone else to explain things to him, well thats not me buddy.
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Post by Kassandros on Oct 16, 2009 14:03:24 GMT -5
Yeap.. I like Macedonians. Who does not like his kind?
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Post by Niklianos on Oct 19, 2009 16:14:31 GMT -5
British archaeologist Iain Shearer, a fellow of the Royal Asiatic Society, says neither side has any real grounds for claiming Alexander. “For modern Greece to say that Alexander was Greek is as absurd as Macedonians who claim that Alexander was Macedonian,” he said. “The terms don’t mean anything … The only real commonality to the situation is accidents of geography and history.”I would tend to disagree with that assumption! First off there is such a thing as a Greek in ancient times as there is today. Yes first and foremost an Ancient Macedonian was just that "Macedonian", but following that they considered themselves Greeks due to their common language and religion! Geography has nothing to do with it as we well know that there were Greek colonies as far away as southwest Spain and the modern Republic of Georgia. Does that make those Greek colonist something other than Greek because they don't share the Greek mainland? This is the same for all other Greek tribes and city-states( I prefer citizen-states). Next, the person is a fellow of ASIATIC STUDIES and not Classics! There is a huge difference in knowledge and expertise between the two!
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Post by Niklianos on Oct 19, 2009 16:29:17 GMT -5
I do not believe that. There are a few words of ancient Macedonian, but no complete language. You know very well that this has happened to many ancient languages. There is no irrefutable proof that there was no ancient Macedonian mother language. GS, will you please present us any type of evidence which supports this theory of a mysterious mother-tongue the Ancient Macedonians spoke before, as you claim, they adopted Attic later Koine Greek? There are excavations in the Republic of Macedonia, Bulgaria, Greece, Egypt, Afghanistan, Palestine, Iran, etc, etc that uncover inscriptions and other epigraphic evidence regularly but yet there is still not a single case of anything popping up other than Greek! As for your example of Byzantines speaking Greek it is a bunch of B.S! It is well attested that a close kin to the Ancient Greeks, the Thracians, adopted the Greek alphabet to write with BUT they also retained their own language. They only used the Greek alphabet to write their language in and did not adopt Greek as their language. So now tell me why would the ancient Macedonians not do the same and instead force even the commoners to change their names to Greek ones as well?? There are multiple inscription which have been uncovered over the years which show that the dialect/ language being spoken by the ancient Macedonians as early as the 6th and 5th centuries B.C was Greek and not just any Greek but Northwest Greek related to what the Epirotes spoke. This dialect has absolutely nothing to do with Attic Greek and later Koine of which the Royals of Macedonia adopted for their court! Northwest Greek does not equal Attic/Koine! There an old saying in the U.S which goes as follows; If it looks like a duck, it quacks like a duck and walks like a duck, then its an f'n duck! If it looks Greek, sounds Greeks and reads as Greek, then it's GREEK! Stop playing ignorant just because you cannot admit to it! Use some simple logic! For heavans sake this has been going on for how many years with you now GS?
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