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Post by Novi Pazar on Sept 28, 2009 4:51:16 GMT -5
^ could not have said it any better.
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Post by rusebg on Sept 28, 2009 6:23:04 GMT -5
From tomorrow may be?
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 28, 2009 7:04:40 GMT -5
Tomorrow? 20-30 years for God is just seconds away. (for mosquitos like you, the same period is like the whole lifetime of the universe), so the answer is : it depends.
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Post by Rhezus on Sept 28, 2009 17:44:45 GMT -5
Ahaha, "people who have read something"! And WHAT exactly, some propaganda which suits you?! If Makedonians want to call themselves Makedonians, they have an indisputable right to do so. Fairy-tales you say... Listen well, NO ONE (in Europe) calls a Mecedonian for Bulgarian - NO ONE! Further more, I have never heard a single Macedonian who wants to be called Bulgarian. Do not try to force these people identity which they do not want hear about!!! "Beauty is not created by compulsion" - do you remeber the saying?!
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Post by macmako on Sept 28, 2009 18:35:29 GMT -5
Well said, Rhezus.
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Post by Kassandros on Sept 29, 2009 12:32:41 GMT -5
Ahaha, "people who have read something"! And WHAT exactly, some propaganda which suits you?! If Makedonians want to call themselves Makedonians, they have an indisputable right to do so. I guess... since you like the freedom of self-determination.....that counts for the 2,5 million local Macedonians leaving in the region of Macedonia in Greece.. and have nothing to do with the ones in Republic of Macedonia right? Its all about freedom of self-determination.. isnt it? Show me.. your spirit of freedom mate. Fairy-tales you say... Listen well, NO ONE (in Europe) calls a Mecedonian for Bulgarian - NO ONE! Further more, I have never heard a single Macedonian who wants to be called Bulgarian. Do not try to force these people identity which they do not want hear about!!! "Beauty is not created by compulsion" - do you remeber the saying?! [/quote] No one in Europe calls Bosnians as Serbs Muslims or Croatian Muslims.. but it that what they're... arent they? Also, you may dont know any from that country be named as Bulgarian... but... history is what you/we want or what it is? Thats the question... Is it about "wants".. or is it about "facts"?
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Post by rusebg on Sept 29, 2009 14:36:31 GMT -5
You are asking someone who thinks that Turks are Thracians. What do you think his perception of history is?
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 29, 2009 15:17:39 GMT -5
Basili, mark my words. For Greece's own good, we should prefer an independent macedonia (even recognize them), than build a greater Bulgaria, which will not stop at Gevgelia as any Greek can foresee. Just as now the Bulgarians bring their "scientific" sources of the Bulgarian Macedonia, after they get Macedonia, then will fetch from the closet the maps which portray Thesaloniki as rightfully Bulgarian.... They will start bringing out other "scientific" data, (like the garbage that I and Novi have been dealing with all this time) that would prove that Salonika is .... simply Bulgarian...
Basil, watch their methods, and try to anticipate what to expect when, finally Macedonia becomes bulgarian, and we Greeks finally have solved this *problem*.....
History repeats itself, especially in this part of the earth... I dont know, maybe, Bulgarians have transformed to some nice peaceful slavic nation, which bears no will to expand their territory, however, their aspirations as expressed here in these forums, do not align with such a peaceful direction.
I am sorry but history will repeat itself again. First It was Austrohungary...The bulgarians were there to ally with them. Then 2nd Reich.. Again, our friends were allying with the aggressors. Now with 3rd Reich (disguised as EU), do they stand any chance to not play this game again? i think not. I mean, listen to Ioan, simply bulgarian this, simply bulgarian that, etc....
I dont know, i wish i am wrong.
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Post by rusebg on Sept 29, 2009 15:52:10 GMT -5
You are a sick person. Truly, irrevocably sick.
And Greece is probably a member of the Union of Central American states, not the EU? Stop talking crap, Pyrro. I said, you are sick. Go and find some quiet place, listen to the birds singing and leaves rustling and you would probably find inner peace.
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Post by masteralbanianknow on Sept 29, 2009 16:42:03 GMT -5
Can some one please give me the lowdown on this Pyrros character ?
He confuses me ,is he a mix of Serbian & Greek ?
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Post by ioan on Sept 29, 2009 23:17:40 GMT -5
Basili, mark my words. For Greece's own good, we should prefer an independent macedonia (even recognize them), than build a greater Bulgaria, which will not stop at Gevgelia as any Greek can foresee. Just as now the Bulgarians bring their "scientific" sources of the Bulgarian Macedonia, after they get Macedonia, then will fetch from the closet the maps which portray Thesaloniki as rightfully Bulgarian.... They will start bringing out other "scientific" data, (like the garbage that I and Novi have been dealing with all this time) that would prove that Salonika is .... simply Bulgarian... Basil, watch their methods, and try to anticipate what to expect when, finally Macedonia becomes bulgarian, and we Greeks finally have solved this *problem*..... History repeats itself, especially in this part of the earth... I dont know, maybe, Bulgarians have transformed to some nice peaceful slavic nation, which bears no will to expand their territory, however, their aspirations as expressed here in these forums, do not align with such a peaceful direction. I am sorry but history will repeat itself again. First It was Austrohungary...The bulgarians were there to ally with them. Then 2nd Reich.. Again, our friends were allying with the aggressors. Now with 3rd Reich (disguised as EU), do they stand any chance to not play this game again? i think not. I mean, listen to Ioan, simply bulgarian this, simply bulgarian that, etc.... I dont know, i wish i am wrong. This is the stupedest thing I ve read from you sofar and you have been saying alot of stupid things but you have outdone yourself here I must add. If you ve read carefully what we were saying you ll get that it was never a great Bulgaria our cause, because: 1) I personally do not want any unification between Macedonia and Bulgaria, it will result in nothing positive, since they are brainwashed enough already, plus they want to have their state and i believe they have the absolute right to have it; 2) mine cause (and as far as I see) the cause of the other Bulgarians is they to accept their REAL HISTORY, as Basil said: the historic facts. As we ve seen here you and Novi are trying to twist the historic facts and present the Macedonians as something they were not: Serbs, when in reallity they selfidentified as Bulgarians; 3) I believe that today they are already different nation, artificially created, but different nevertheless, I personally do not want this to change and it wont, what I want is their ethnicity and nationality to be build on the historic truths: they to accept that till certain period of time they were Bulgarians, but later they were dominated by the Serbs who managed to turn them into something else: the things that the MOldovians accept, for example. 4) the situation with Greece is totally different and can not be compared with Macedonia. First, we dont and cant have teritorial claims on Greece because there are no Bulgarians who live in present day Greece. Greece might have gotten some teritories, where the majority USED to be BUlgarian, but so did Bulgaria (like the southern black sea coast where the majority was Greek). Today there are not sizeable minorities in both countries who can justify any such claims, because of the exchange between the countries... 5) the situation with Macedonia is totally different, they try to manipulate our history; 6) and I ll finish with saying that at this point I do not believe in any change of borders, as most Bulgarians and Greeks do not too; 7) you can not see the above because you are busy serving your masters, which interest in Macedonia collide with the Greek one who are in sinhrone with the Bulgarian one; 8) Bulgaria and Greece today have great relations, Bulgarians (minus Rhezus but in his case its understandable) and Greeks like each other, no matter how much you want this to not be true.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 30, 2009 3:16:07 GMT -5
He is a wannabe Greek Serbian. Can you be a little more specific here? Anyways, i think that you, negating a negation produced smth close to the truth. (of course two wrongs dont make a right, but it was the closest you could get). (In case you pretend to not understand, what i mean is that the average idiot has more probabilities of approaching the truth if he does two mistakes in a row, rather than one. This comes from the fact that the second mistake bears some small probability of minimizing the effects of the first mistake). Anyways, Some would say i am Serb wanna be Greek, but i think that Greek wannabe Serb (as you accidentally wrote) is philosophically more correct. Anyways, thats not accurate either, but for you its enuf. That said, Demosthenes, the difference between you and me, is that i have one nationality and many cultures, while you have many nationalities and one culture (american).
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 30, 2009 3:26:13 GMT -5
Personal attack removed many times about the "my masters" thing. Wanna get owned again?
I would not believe that you would not claim the greek Slavs as bulgarians, (and i think they are in fact closer to bulgarians than lets say Macedonians from Skoplje), when you claim Nisliski dialect as Bulgarian.
All you do, Ioan, is openly showing your aggressive plans, while Inappropriate language removed of the ones from whom you could benefit at the short-term future (Greeks), while of course you dont have the slightest sympathy for us. (dont be a hypocrite claiming otherwise)
Anyway, Oh, and hitler signed to not attack poland, not to attack Russia, and ooopss...
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Post by Novi Pazar on Sept 30, 2009 5:50:21 GMT -5
"I personally do not want any unification between fyrom and Bulgaria"
Lie No.1. You do want vardar to be united with Bulgarska, hence why you and Ruse are always in other topics calling them brainwashed Bulgars. I want vardar not to be part of Bulgarska and l want them to immediately change their name because their history was never linked with Bulgarska to begin with.
"it will result in nothing positive, since they are brainwashed enough already, plus they want to have their state and i believe they have the absolute right to have it"
Lie No.2, your president Georgi Parvanov doesn't recognise vardarians in his country nor their language. A reminder Ioan, which country in the world first recognised vardar in 1992, none other than your Bulgarska.
The brainwashing started with the Turkish backed Bylgarska Ekzarkhia.
"mine cause (and as far as I see) the cause of the other Bulgarians is they to accept their REAL HISTORY, as Basil said: the historic facts. As we ve seen here you and Novi are trying to twist the historic facts and present the fyroms as something they were not: Serbs, when in reallity they selfidentified as Bulgarians"
Your history was manufactured from the 19th century, however mine and Pyrro's came from the 6th century.
So answer me this question:
WHO ARRIVED FIRST, BULGARI or SERBS?
"the situation with Greece is totally different and can not be compared with fyrom. First, we dont and cant have teritorial claims on Greece because there are no Bulgarians who live in present day Greece. Greece might have gotten some teritories, where the majority USED to be BUlgarian, but so did Bulgaria (like the southern black sea coast where the majority was Greek). Today there are not sizeable minorities in both countries who can justify any such claims, because of the exchange between the countries..."
The ones you are claiming were Bulgarianised, why do west bylgari have a vidovden, l mean tito and the serbs must have brainwashed the shopski narod in west bulgarska, right?.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 30, 2009 6:28:16 GMT -5
"Lie No.2, your president Georgi Parvanov doesn't recognise vardarians in his country nor their language. A reminder Ioan, which country in the world first recognised vardar in 1992, none other than your Bulgarska. " Novi, its all getting shape, now... Thanx for this info. From en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_relations_of_the_Republic_of_Macedonia#International_recognitionAMAZING! Awkwardly hidden EXPANSIONIST AMBITIONS and HYPOCRISY at the same time. Brilliant! Novi, Brate, prvi, imamo Vatikana i Nemacke koji su prepoznali Hravcku 1991, i posle imamo Bugarska koja je prepoznala Makedoniju 1992..... The plan went as the Germanics wanted.... Macedonians and Bulgarians are just tiny pieces. Dont know Novi, maybe Greece playing for the axis like wwi, might have the same results with wwi, indeed. Maybe history is designed by God to repeat itself Novi, and guess what, the divine nation of God will once again prevail. We, as Greeks, should open our eyes wide open.
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Post by macmako on Sept 30, 2009 6:52:24 GMT -5
Pyrros, I have edited your insults and inappropriate language from some of your posts. I am doing this only because I am giving you a chance to stop. If it continues, I will simply move your nasty posts to the transferred/deleted topics forum as evidence against your moderator status.
Please refer to the "Rules for Moderators to follow' topic for further information.
Pyrros, please be nice.
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Post by macmako on Sept 30, 2009 7:43:31 GMT -5
So tell me why the maps of Macedonia posted differ? Please give me a non-nationalistic view.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 30, 2009 7:50:59 GMT -5
So tell me why the maps of Macedonia posted differ? Please give me a non-nationalistic view. i dont know man, i am just a silly peasant who recently learned from the bulgarian map, that there were some RUSSIANS in Makedonia, but no Serbs.... WOW!
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Post by macmako on Sept 30, 2009 7:52:47 GMT -5
So tell me why the maps of Macedonia posted differ? Please give me a non-nationalistic view. i dont know man, i am just a silly peasant who recently learned from the bulgarian map, that there were some RUSSIANS in Makedonia, but no Serbs.... WOW! The answer is that there is no way to be non-nationalistic with those maps. It's all about nationalism, one Serbian, and one Bulgarian.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 30, 2009 8:54:29 GMT -5
Pyrros, I have edited your insults and inappropriate language from some of your posts. I am doing this only because I am giving you a chance to stop. If it continues, I will simply move your nasty posts to the transferred/deleted topics forum as evidence against your moderator status.Please refer to the "Rules for Moderators to follow' topic for further information. Pyrros, please be nice. from dictionary.reference.com/browse/stoolyIDIOCY AND HYPOCRISY AT ITS HEIGHTS! ;D ;D
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