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Post by radovic on Feb 23, 2010 10:41:49 GMT -5
"Best cooperation with Serbia, worst with Montenegro" 23 February 2010 Italian Chief Prosecutor of the National Anti-Mafia Bureau Pietro Grasso has commented on the cooperation his office has with Serbia, and Montenegro.
Grasso was quoted as saying by the Podgorica-based TV Vijesti that his bureau has the most effective cooperation regarding organized crime and drug trafficking with the colleagues in Serbia, and the worst with the Montenegrin prosecution.
Grasso told the station that modern criminals, who are active and flexible depending on market demands, have marked the Balkans as storage for drugs that should go to Europe, since distribution to any location can be realized from the region in less than 24 hours.
The main characteristics of modern-day criminals are different types of smuggling, flexibility and versatility, and besides drugs, mostly cocaine, that is obtained in South America, Afghanistan and Pakistan, arms and explosive are also being smuggled, Grasso said.
He added that the organized crime groups were composed of members of secret police and paramilitary groups from the former Yugoslav republics, and the fact that they have taken over the dirtiest business from their Italian colleagues implies how strong they are.
Members of such organized groups, as Grasso put it, are mutually connected and work together regardless of there in the former Yugoslavia they hail from.
He stated that a powerful crime group in the Balkans had taken over drug trafficking from Italy to Montenegro from Calabria's mafia, which controls cocaine trafficking in the whole Europe.
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Post by EriTopSheqeri on Feb 23, 2010 16:03:00 GMT -5
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Post by radovic on Feb 24, 2010 9:45:41 GMT -5
Bullshit. There's probably been alot of artic les on it in Italian media. But since no one else here talks aboiut it you will post something not mentioning and claim -- this is what italians write. And no one can prove you wrong becuase no one else talks Italian. But then your bullshit Serbianna 2.0 claim proves that you are likely lying. Because: - 1. Given the source of fyunding for the unprofitable B92 media company (George Soros) -- this wouldn;t happen. - 2. TV Vijesti and the Vijesti media company in Montenewgro is pro-independence. But since 2006 has stopped parroting the Djukanovic line. - 3. TV Vijesti is specifically mentioned as the source in the article. - 4. TV Vijesti like B92 is unprofitable and gets financing from Soros (hence it would never become a Serbianna 2.0)
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Post by radovic on Feb 24, 2010 9:53:19 GMT -5
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Post by ngadhnjyesi on Feb 24, 2010 15:56:45 GMT -5
But then your bulls**t Serbianna 2.0 claim proves that you are likely lying. I agree with that sentiment. I was an avid reader of B92 and found their coverage somewhat palatable compared to the rest of the Serb media. I was a regular contributor in their reader comments section but I stopped reading as their coverage is getting more and more biased. I guess it's finally hitting them that Kosova is lost so they're "losing" it too.
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Post by EriTopSheqeri on Feb 24, 2010 19:56:31 GMT -5
Bulls**t. There's probably been alot of artic les on it in Italian media. But since no one else here talks aboiut it you will post something not mentioning and claim -- this is what italians write. And no one can prove you wrong becuase no one else talks Italian. But then your bulls**t Serbianna 2.0 claim proves that you are likely lying. Because: - 1. Given the source of fyunding for the unprofitable B92 media company (George Soros) -- this wouldn;t happen. - 2. TV Vijesti and the Vijesti media company in Montenewgro is pro-independence. But since 2006 has stopped parroting the Djukanovic line. - 3. TV Vijesti is specifically mentioned as the source in the article. - 4. TV Vijesti like B92 is unprofitable and gets financing from Soros (hence it would never become a Serbianna 2.0) Bla bla bla Radoslav, I never mentioned Vijesti (nor Tanjug) I said that there's no mention of Piero Grasso's quotes in the Italian newshere's a quick search on google.it with "Piero Grasso Serbia" past week/ultima settimana. news.google.it/news/search?um=1&cf=all&ned=it&hl=it&q=piero+grasso+serbia&as_qdr=w&as_drrb=q&cf=allOf course there's a lot less in the Italian media about what the Chief of Antimafia says in regads to foreign criminal organisations operating in Italy geez My point still stands
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Post by EriTopSheqeri on Feb 24, 2010 20:22:38 GMT -5
the ansa link does not appear in my google search, nor was presented when I posted my comment. Still all it does is quote Tanjug...one of the worst Serbian news agencies. The same Balkaninsight you're quoting says Grasso outlined that his institution has good cooperation with the Serbian prosecutor's office but not with the Montenegrin one. www.balkaninsight.com/en/main/news/26071/That's not the same as "best with Serbia, worst with Montenegro" I trust BI far more than serbian Tanjug o B92 The same Balkaninsight whose articles about Serb crime you (just like the others in the Serb forum, as leshte and co have pointed out recently) never bother to post. But always so quick to point out everything against the neighbours...even though they come from Serb sources, lol, ain't that mega-pathetic. Oh and B92 financed by Geroge Soros? LOL, the usual LAME accusation by diaspora serbs to B92 ever since the regime in Serbia has changed and the site doesn't treat Nikolic and Kostunica to their liking. Cut the bullshit already. Btw, I said B92 has been taking steps into becoming another Serbianna, not that it already is. If you can't make the difference well... you are deucaon 2.0. I have been reading B92 since 2006 and it's quality of articles and commentary moderators just keep degenerating You Serb forumers really lead sad lives....every day digging articles and youtube videos desperately trying to paint you neighbous in a negative light---I bet you even skip meals while googling "x neighbour country x negative attribute". Try posting positive stuff once in a while, maybe it won't hurt you.
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Post by EriTopSheqeri on Feb 24, 2010 20:35:22 GMT -5
Furthermore the article you have posted seems to refer to this incident from a month ago when Serbia and Italy (no Montenegro) co-operated in arresting 30 people. www.balkaninsight.com/en/main/news/25313/The article seems to make no mention of a predominant Serbian presence. Just because the BI article does not mention a redominant Serbian presence does not mean that the Italian one also does not. Even without a google translation, just by looking at the name mentioned several times in the article i.e. Arkan the leader of the most powerful Serb mafia, one gets the hint . No montenegrin ones mentioned. I am not on a spree against Serbia here. If I wanted to do that I would have posted this article from last year, which portrays Serbia as the Colombia of Europe. archiviostorico.corriere.it/2009/novembre/20/mercato_della_cocaina_mano_serbi_co_9_091120034.shtmlGoogle translate from Italian to English FOCUS THE BALKAN MAFIA TRAFFIC THE AMAZING IS BOUGHT IN BIG QUANTITY IN LATIN AMERICA AND THE RISE IN EUROPEAN CITIES IN TUSCANY MAP IN MILAN AND THE VENETO ITALIAN BASES OF SORTING. RULES OF THE NEW NARCOS: NO ALCOHOL, DRUGS AND WOMEN The market for cocaine in the hands of the Serbs Thousand people, organized into cells of 10 military units carry the drug in Europe and supplying criminal gangs The storm has broken out on the Rio de la Plata in the night 's October 11. The national team of Argentina Maradona played the World Cup qualifiers against Peru. The winning goal came under a ferocious downpour. That same night, rain and wind plagued a group of boats sailed just off the coast near Buenos Aires. C 'was also the' Maui ', a yacht with the British flag. The "sailors" were all Serbs. And in the hold wore the biggest load of drugs seized this year 's in the world: more than two tons of cocaine. The storm forced the 'Maui' to land on the 'other side of the river in Uruguay, in the tourist port of Santiago Vazquez. That's where the anti-narcotics teams are leaded to 'dawn on October 15 and found the load. What ought to have arrived in Europe. And then, in part, in Italy. The journey of coca provided a "technical stop" in South Africa. Then l 'port in Bar, in Montenegro, for storage. Finally, the distribution in other countries. The cargo was in the hands of Serbian-Montenegrin mafia, the new power in the trafficking of cocaine between South America and Europe. Within a few years, l 'organization has come to monopolize entire route of drug trafficking by sea. To supply some families of 'Ndrangheta, northern Italy, organized crime in Austria, Germany, Spain, England. In Italy, this is a story that begins February 26, 2008, in an apartment on Washington, a stone's throw from the center of Milan. The laws of capital The Serbs have the strength, the 'organization, the narcos-warrior mentality, the' reliability of a multinational. With these cards you are sitting at the table of global trade in narcotics. And they are imposed. To understand what is happening, we hear the words of an expert investigator of international crime: 'The market' s heroine is different, much more influenced by historical ties to the underworld. For cocaine is all a 'else. Most of all, count the same laws of 'clean economics: supply and demand, competition, security of' investment. Who works better, does business. Often no need to shoot. " In this context we understand the 'rise of the international mafia Balkans. With an example: if the 'Ndrangheta organized a shipment from Colombia to negotiate with suppliers', paying a huge advance and, above all, take enormous risks of transport (if the load is intercepted, it will lose millions of euros). The Serbs have made a simple choice. Become embedded in the chain as the best 'agency services' in the square. Buy drugs, transport in Europe and delivery practice 'at home'. Local crime is discharged from any responsibility for the stages riskier 's business. Does not pay advances. Plus, save money: buying from the Serbs, coca costs an average of 35 thousand euros per kilo compared to 40 thousand of 'competition'. Why more and more criminal organizations, small and large, in Italy and Europe in recent years have decided to buy from them. So the clan of the Balkans have come in the most recent file of the Goddess (the 'American anti-drug agency), of BIA (the Serbian secret police) and the Soca (the' anti-crime agency English). The head and the cells on 26 February 2008 Flying Squad investigators entering a home via Washington, to Milan, and found 90 kilos of cocaine. Begin work to dismantle the cell Lombard Balkan mafia. The group leader, Dragan Gacesa, 33, was arrested a year later in Tuscany. The "warehouse" for storage of the drug was in a cottage by the sea, in Tirrenia (Pisa). Seizures Total: 530 kilos of cocaine. And at the end of 'investigation has been possible to reconstruct the dynamics of the cell: sales only at' wholesale (any contact with the street dealing). Warehouse close to the ports of arrival of cargo (Livorno, La Spezia), but far from the places of sale. And men who behave professionally paramilitaries. During the work, the "soldiers" do not consume drugs, not drink, do not attend night, no women, are able to remain locked in a house for 3-4 days just doing gymnastics, never an 'infringement of the highway code. The profile of the Milan group is useful to describe the 'entire organization. Starting from a given: just Gacesa was quoted in a 2003 report of the International Tribunal for Crimes in former Yugoslavia, which was called "commander of the Bihac security station." The center of directors' organization is firmly rooted in the Balkans. Between Belgrade and Montenegro, are handled at the highest level business, trade, alliances, investments, money. It is the result of a welding / conversion, which occurred after the conflicts in former Yugoslavia, among historians criminal groups (the Zemun clan at all) and the former militias. The links with the Colombian cartels have roots more than twenty years. L 'entire logistics, however, is entrusted to the' cells' operating groups of a dozen people, strongly hierarchical, able to create a base in a city, to operate one or more loads, and then disappear or move in an emergency (l 'latest report of World Security Network launches an alarm on the "Balkan crime groups relocated" to be able to "dictate the rules in other countries of Europe'). Using the same model, worked the group dismantled between Argentina and Uruguay: apartments for rent, and prepare to receive loads of cocaine from Buenos Aires; Cash purchase of the "Maui" (265 thousand dollars), anti-eavesdropping equipment. Above the cells, c 'is a network of' manager ', more mobile, which deals only with agreements with the buyers and supervision of operations. The rules that apply to all: low profile, flexibility; organization 'Switzerland' supply only 'wholesalers' (from 15-20 pounds and over). The "soldiers" Serbian-Montenegrin spread between Europe and South America could be a thousand. Recently, the Soca intercepted three cells in England that were coordinating with groups in the Netherlands (responsible for receiving and sorting the cocaine from the port of Rotterdam), Germany, Slovenia and Northern Italy. Between Veneto and Tuscany morning of 22 June, the police stopped a truck on a pitch of course the United States, in Padua. The truck, between the crates of pineapples and bananas, the soldiers found 420 kilos of cocaine. The driver says, "I have attached a trailer wrong." But some clues allow you to make a series of connections: the truck is a Slovenian company, comes from 'Holland' s driver is Serbian. The load of cocaine had traveled by sea on a freighter from 'Ecuador to Rotterdam. Less than three months later, another seizure is interesting. On 5 September, in the parking lot of a supermarket in Pian di Rota, village of Livorno, the police searched a Lancia Lybra and found a backpack inside the green with 14 kilos of pure cocaine to 97 percent. Three arrested. Even here, one Slovenian and two Serbs. Signals that leave no doubt rooted in Italy, the "cell" to the orders of the new lords of cocaine. But the strongest bond emerge two days after the seizure of 2174 pounds in Uruguay. On 17 October the U.S. District Court in Belgrade ordered the 'arrest of the group awaiting the load in the Balkans. L 'striking element, Zeljko Vujanovic, was stopped in the nightclub "Casino" in Kragujevac, 140 kilometers from Belgrade. The place is a certain Darko Saric, considered by investigators a column of the 'organization (as found in version Montenegro). Shortcuts Saric with Italy 's were found in an' investigation against a gang of arms dealers closed by police in Padua in November 2008. Would be the woman in the group, called "Nikita", to accommodate and cover Saric during his travels in Italy. Back in Serbia, Saric and his expected two tons of cocaine departing from Rio de la Plata. Arrived first investigators Serbs and South America. Name 's investigation that led to the raid: "Operación Guerreros Balcánicos Nowhee in the Italian media have I read anything against Montenegro/Montenegrins like you Serbs are trying to make it look Go on now, see if you can find some more crap by you own media against your neighbours, it seems like that's the meaning of you lives.
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Post by radovic on Feb 25, 2010 11:06:52 GMT -5
It is. B92 is unprofitable enterprising with annual loses of 5 million euros. It needs a funder to be in business.
Who will pay for it? - Soros.
Afterall Soros's Media Development Loan Fund owns around 38% or so of B92 (down from 42% a few years ago).
Incidentally the Media Development Loan Fund is the organization that covers B92's loses.
Cut the bulls**t already.
Btw, I said B92 has been taking steps into becoming another Serbianna, not that it already is. If you can't make the difference well... you are deucaon 2.0. I have been reading B92 since 2006 and it's quality of articles and commentary moderators just keep degenerating
You Serb forumers really lead sad lives....every day digging articles and youtube videos desperately trying to paint you neighbous in a negative light---I bet you even skip meals while googling "x neighbour country x negative attribute".
Try posting positive stuff once in a while, maybe it won't hurt you.[/quote]
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Post by radovic on Feb 25, 2010 11:10:00 GMT -5
As too claims of selective bias. It seems these newspapers dealing with the Saric clan are the ones who are biased.
The predominant members are Montenegrin (background and citizenship). Most of them have montenegrin citizenshi[p. They are residents of Serbia. This has been indicated by B92, Danas and Borba report on the subject. (I'm not going to mention other media because they'll be denounced as "Serbian propaganda" -- but any fool making this claim of Danas and Borba is an idiot).
And of those who have ever held Serbian citizenship, they simply cross the border to Montenegro where the MUP of Montenegro issues them Montenegrin documents right away.
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