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Post by todhrimencuri on Aug 16, 2009 22:05:51 GMT -5
I was reading an interesting article from Hammond via JSTOR. Its about common Illyrian and Epirotic names among various tribes.
Here are a few discussed:
(Note that most Illyrian tribes are in a Latinized form, while the Epirotan ones in both Greek and Latin, hope it doesnt confuse people. But generally Latin us --> Greek os, Latin i --> Greek oi, Latin ae --> Greek es)
Illyrian: Atintani --> Illyrian tribe north of Via Egnatia (just above Durres) Epirotan: Atintanes --> inland of the Epirotic coast
Illyrian: Amantini --> Pannonia Epirotan: Amantes --> southern Albania
Illyrian: Autariatae --> southwest Serbia, Taras Mountains Epirotan: Autariatae (spelling from a sole Roman source, hence Latin forum) --> 'Epirus'
Illyrian: Dassaretti --> Dalmatian coast Epirotan: Dassaretae --> Macedonian/Epirotan border, today southern Albania
Illyrian: Perrhaebi --> Illyris, northern Albania Epirotan: Perrhaebi --> northernmost Thessaly
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Post by donnie on Aug 17, 2009 8:49:23 GMT -5
Interesting. Another thing I've been wondering about is the river Drino in the south. There's no question that this name is related to the river name Drin in Northern Albania and Drina in Bosnia. The Illyrian origin of this hydronym seems solid, and is probably related to some common IE root for something 'flowing'. Possible, it is an old name for 'river'. Either way, hydronyms tend to be very old. Many European rivers predate the spread of Indoeuropean languages. Usually, village names are the ones most oftenly forgotten and replaced. Cities, mountains and rivers are usually more perseverant, in particular rivers.
This is interesting because Drino falls within the ancient territory of Epirus, claimed by Greeks as a pure Greek territory, inhabited by Greek-speaking tribes since the war of Troy and beyond. If it was such an unquestionable Greek land, why the Illyrian river-name? Besides this, I've read somewhere that archaeological excavations have revealed the presence of Illyrian anthroponyms in these lands. Now I am not saying the region wasn't Greek ... but it's possible there were additional elements there besides the Greek, and that at some point the Greek element prevailed and Hellenized much of Old Epirus.
Just a theory.
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Post by Gigolo on Aug 19, 2009 14:32:40 GMT -5
Well the Autariatae originaly were from Southeastern Bosnia, untill they destroyed their long time enemies the Ardiaei (they always fought over salt) and expanded East into the area you're mentioning (Southwest Serbia aka Rascia aka Sandzak) pushing others like the Triballi as they went. They were one of the biggest and strongest tribes at one point, and it's obviosly possible with their expansion (and with them pushing others South) names and words came with them.
Amanti were from Pannonia but there is also a Greek city called Amantia down South.
Alot of the Illyrians from the North and Northeast raided and had plenty of contact with places like Epirus and the coasts as well...
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Post by albpaion on Feb 22, 2010 6:45:01 GMT -5
Toskaliku, I have to agree 100% with you. Furthermore, there are a lot of toponomastic concordances between Dardania and Epirus (I listed a lot of them in one of my historical articles). I'll try to find someone who can translate my article in English, and after that I'll post here.
P.S: Here is one of my videos, which contains a well-referenced stuff about Epirus and its Albanian belongness.
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Post by albpaion on Feb 26, 2010 14:17:52 GMT -5
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Post by Patrinos on Feb 26, 2010 15:04:24 GMT -5
;D and Kadmos was a mythological Phoenicean... opa.... And Atheneans claimed that they were Pelasgians...so they were also Albanians... ;D...I personally believe Pericles was a Lab and Socrates an Arvanitis. ...so all Ionians were Pelasgians...and Dorians were ...Germans... and the Achaeans were Ethiopeans... until the aliens came and erased their memory and language and learned them Greek...
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Post by ngadhnjyesi on Feb 26, 2010 15:43:08 GMT -5
I personally believe Pericles was a Lab and Socrates an Arvanitis. That pussy could have never been a member of my esteemed tribe.
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Post by leshte on Feb 26, 2010 17:09:38 GMT -5
Now judging from this guy's quote and the great contrast on how modern Greeks think about this issue; it is more likely he wasn't Greek ;D
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Post by albpaion on Feb 26, 2010 17:15:50 GMT -5
;D and Kadmos was a mythological Phoenicean... opa.... And Atheneans claimed that they were Pelasgians...so they were also Albanians... ;D...I personally believe Pericles was a Lab and Socrates an Arvanitis. ...so all Ionians were Pelasgians...and Dorians were ...Germans... and the Achaeans were Ethiopeans... until the aliens came and erased their memory and language and learned them Greek... Patrinos, the mythology firmly attested Pelasgo-Illyro-Epirotic relationship. I don't know why you are frustrated but I guess you are influenced by Official Thought of Greece, are not? Well, its time to learn the opposite of Official Greek thought, isn't?
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Post by Patrinos on Feb 26, 2010 17:44:41 GMT -5
Patrinos, the mythology firmly attested Pelasgo-Illyro-Epirotic relationship. I don't know why you are frustrated but I guess you are influenced by Official Thought of Greece, are not? Well, its time to learn the opposite of Official Greek thought, isn't? Yes, I've just visited the www.greekgovernment.gr- www.greekofficialhistory.eu...where the issue on the nationality of Echion and Agave are thorough analysed... ;D
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Post by albpaion on Feb 27, 2010 16:10:43 GMT -5
Patrinos, the mythology firmly attested Pelasgo-Illyro-Epirotic relationship. I don't know why you are frustrated but I guess you are influenced by Official Thought of Greece, are not? Well, its time to learn the opposite of Official Greek thought, isn't? Yes, I've just visited the www.greekgovernment.gr- www.greekofficialhistory.eu...where the issue on the nationality of Echion and Agave are thorough analysed... ;D Yes...it is quite likely since in Greece the politicians have the duty of being historian on behalf of patriotism and ultra-nationalism. We all know craziest campaigns of self-professed historians to start saint crusades to liberate ''Greek' territories of FyrMacedonia, Bulgaria (Thrace), Turkey (Aegean shores) and Albania (''Northern' Epirus). In the other hand, Greek megalomania has started from 1990's to Greaziced Aegean Macedonia by building of statues of noble Macedonians, renamed airport of Kavala and Thessalonik, named Taxi-companies as Alexander the Great'taxies, changed foreign toponyms into 'pure Hellenic' ones, stamped into female pants and corsages 'Macedonia is Greek' ;D ;D
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Post by rex362 on Sept 2, 2010 17:00:52 GMT -5
dont fall for the grek bs on our lands ....
they are no difference than the Fyromanian .....one and the same when it comes to making history that suits them
If Epiros was Greek or epirotes were Greek .... then why greeks estabilished colonies and settelments in ‘their own territory’
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Post by leandros nikon on Feb 15, 2011 7:30:59 GMT -5
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Post by leandros nikon on Feb 15, 2011 7:32:41 GMT -5
No,these colonies were located in Illyria,not Epirus.They are neighboring areas,dont confuse them.
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Post by leandros nikon on Feb 15, 2011 7:38:09 GMT -5
The pot calling the kettle black
Ipe o gaidaros ton petino kefala
Tencere dibin kara, seninki benden kara
Cachicamo diciéndole a morrocoy conchúo
Rugala se šerpa loncu, a i ona garava
Juokiasi puodas, kad katilas juodas
Il bue che dà del cornuto all'asino
כל הפוסל במומו פוסל
ਆਪ ਕਿਸੇ ਜਹੀ ਨਾ, ਨਕ ਚੜਾਨੋ ਰਹੀ ਨਾ
لٹا چور کوتوال کو ڈانٹے
五十步笑百步
الجمل لا يرى عوجة رقبته
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