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Post by todhrimencuri on Mar 15, 2010 10:04:37 GMT -5
orthography is the proper way of writing down the language.
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Post by hellboy87 on Mar 15, 2010 13:43:47 GMT -5
so how is the grammar? Is it very complicating? I think English is.
I find the pronounciation a major nightmare.I mean,Francois is pronounced as FranSWA!
I first pronounced it as FranKOIS! LOL!!!!!!!
Again,I want to know,when you begin learning a new language,what do they begin with?
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Post by EriTopSheqeri on Mar 15, 2010 18:16:59 GMT -5
French/Italian/English are pretty easy to learn...German and Turkish are quite difficult...
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Post by hellboy87 on Mar 15, 2010 18:37:18 GMT -5
how is it easy? Please explain.
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Mar 20, 2010 11:56:40 GMT -5
1st learn to wipe ur arse b4 u try anything harder
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Post by thracian08 on Mar 22, 2010 13:30:34 GMT -5
The way you learn a language, you have to live in that country to speak it when you are young, or else it's too hard and too late. Once you know 2 languages, it gets easier to learn a 3rd or a 4th. My parents took me to Turkey every summer for 3 months. Thank God they did that. A lot of my Turkish friends cannot speak Turkish in the USA or can say just a couple of words. Learning a language is also learning their culture
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Mar 23, 2010 16:33:35 GMT -5
You can learn another langauge later on in life too, since my sister speaks portoguese quiet well now, and my husband speaks fluent English. I learnt to speak Turkish properly when i was 12 years old,but still today I have trouble with some sentences. I used to speak French relearning it now its easy if u learnt it before u refesh ur mem when ur older. Theres a lady i work with that speaks turkish english german italian french and arabic and also strangely one african language lol
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Post by thracian08 on Mar 23, 2010 17:15:08 GMT -5
yes, of course you can learn a 2nd language later on in life, it's just becomes more difficult.
Yup, once you know a 2nd language, the other languages become much easier to learn.
I know Spanish as my 3rd language, however, since high school I haven't used it, that' s why I forgot a lot of vocabulary.
An aquaintence I now knows English, German, French, Turkish, Farsi, and Arabic!
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Post by leshte on Mar 23, 2010 22:37:54 GMT -5
Having used Rosetta Stone I'd say that it is pretty good. The first language I learned I had to do it old school. Take classes and look for words in huge dictionaries. Then the second language was a combination of taking classes and being around native speakers and then later on using software dictionaries but that was too late as I had advanced a lot by then and you could pick up meanings of words based on situations. With Rosetta Stone its a whole lot easier. You might have to google a translation once in a blue moon but you have pictures where you can guess the words and the situations in 98-99% of the cases. Especially if you have a photographic memory I'd say Rosetta stone is highly recommended. It helps a lot if there are similarities between the language you're trying to learn and your native language. I don't know how effective Rosetta Stone would have been with Japanese or Chinese.
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Post by hellboy87 on Mar 23, 2010 23:13:56 GMT -5
would love to try it.
but dont want to spend money on it.LOL!
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Post by vanilo on Mar 30, 2010 9:56:17 GMT -5
Arabic: it's pretty much in my bones - I grew up hearing and speaking the language. But I also attended after-school lessons when I was a kid where I learned the Arabic alphabet, how to read, write...and lose my Iraqi dialect ;D.
Danish: same as Arabic; it's just something I grew up with and have to deal with on a very daily basis...can't avoid it...
English: we started learning English in school when we were about 9-10 years old. And I SUCKED at it the first 2-3 years. I literally had to look every word up in the dictionary, and I was useless with the grammar...didn't udnerstand it at all. My dad found out I was really bad in English and started giving me extra money so that I could buy English magazines. He told me to read them and underline the words that I didn't understand...then he'd sit with me and help me understanding them and writing them down. So I learned in this way...
French: we learned it at school from age 13. Normally, pupils don't learn so much in French (or German - we could chose) but we had this amaaazing teacher, of Tunisian origin, who was extremely good at teaching...so we all learned French beyond the estimated level...which was cool, of course ;D. I then continued studying A-level French in gymnasium/high school... French always came easy to me...I was used to a lot of French words from Arabic...like "merci", "sèche-cheveux", "bicyclette", "gâteau" etc.
Farsi: well, my mum is part Persian so I always grew up hearing Farsi...but I didn't actually speak more than a couple of words myself. A few years ago I started to become very interested in the lanugages we spoke at home so I started to read articles, books and dictionaries to teach myself some Farsi. I also asked my mum, her side of the family and my Persian friends a lot of questions...so I learned quite a bit this way, too. But I've definitely learned most from my Persian husband.
Kurdish: same as Farsi, pretty much. But I learned most from Kurdish classes (organised by the Kurdish Danish Youth Organisation), Kurdish friends, my dad and his side of the family. My mum's family speak Kurdish, too, but their dialect is 80% Farsi-like...I wanted to learn my dad's dialect...
Right now I'm teaching myself Hebrew and Greek. I was supposed to take some evening classes but I just don't have the time for it...so it'll have to wait. But I feel like I've learned quite a lot of my own. When I was in Athens, not too long ago, I could get by, quite far, with the Greek that I know ;D. I was VERY uncomfortable with speaking it but I told myself it'd be a good practice...and it was! Greeks could hear I'm not Greek so they were very willing to tell me what my mistakes were ;D. I learned that I pronounce the X's too severely (habit from Arabic) and that I didn't pronounce the softer S's that well...I didn't think I had these problems. I really thought I was pronouncing soft X's and S's ;D.
Hebrew is quite easy...it ressembles Arabic a lot. I'm sure my Hebrew is advanced enough so that I'd be able to get by in Hebrew if I go to Israel in the near future...
Oh, Turkish! I grew up, 90%, around Turks and Kurds who spoke Turkish...so it's not a strange language to me. I could not carry a deep conversation in Turkish but I can get by when shopping, chitchatting with people etc. Definitely not more than that...
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Post by ngadhnjyesi on Mar 30, 2010 10:34:09 GMT -5
I can converse in Italian and Spanish and understand some French. In the last few years I tried picking up German and Russian and had I kept it up I could have definitely made progress.
A couple of years I checked out an Arabic language book from the library. I tried learning even a few words and to my dismay I failed. The hardest language I ever had to deal with. Maybe it was the script that threw me off. I am only acquainted with Latin and Cyrillic so something like Arabic or Mandarin is much much harder to learn.
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Post by hellboy87 on Mar 30, 2010 13:58:05 GMT -5
I find learning a language like its impossible.
I wonder for most people who learn a new language by attenting language classes,how long does it take to master it?
ngadhnjyesi,you're gone AGAIN!
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Post by vanilo on Apr 2, 2010 4:07:41 GMT -5
I find the pronounciation a major nightmare. I mean,Francois is pronounced as FranSWA! I first pronounced it as FranKOIS! LOL!!!!!!! I can see why you would pronounce FranCois that way. But Francois is actually spelled FranÇois, and Ç is not prounonced like C. C in French is like C in English, really. Sometimes it's pronounced like K, other times it's pronounced more like S... A couple of years I checked out an Arabic language book from the library. I tried learning even a few words and to my dismay I failed. The hardest language I ever had to deal with. Maybe it was the script that threw me off. I am only acquainted with Latin and Cyrillic so something like Arabic or Mandarin is much much harder to learn. I don't think Arabic is harder for you to learn. It's just hard to learn any language without knowledge of the basics. Arabic is definitely one of those languages you should probably learn the alphabet of, very well, before you try reading anything. You should learn how you combine letters and make vowels (because the only vowel in the actual Arabic alphabet is alif (A)), then it becomes quite easy to read... When it comes to learning how to speak Arabic...I suppose you always learn any language best by hearing it being spoken, translate each word in the sentence very literally and get yourself an idea of how Arabic sentences are created in this way.
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