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Post by bosna505 on Apr 6, 2010 11:47:16 GMT -5
Bosnians are Illyrians ---- PROFESOR JOHN WILKES OF UNIVERSITY OF LONDON HAS RECENTLY ESTABLISHED THAT BOSNIANS ARE ILLYRIANS - AN ANCIENT EUROPEAN PEOPLE. IT WAS PREVIOUSLY BELIEVED THAT ALBANIANS ARE ILLYRIANS. HOWEVER, HE FOUND OUT THAT ROMANIZATION, HELLENIZATION OR SLAVENIZATION OF THE ILLYRIANS HAS NEVER TAKEN PLACE " Wilkes is the foremost LIVING authority on the Illyrians. His is the LATEST comprehensive work on the Illyrian people. In his book, "The Illyrians", John Wilkes states on pg: 219: "NOT MUCH RELIANCE SHOULD PERHAPS BE PLACED ON ATTEMPTS TO IDENTIFY AN ILLYRIAN ANTHROPOLOGICAL TYPE AS SHORT AND DARK SKINNED SIMMILAR TO MODERN ALBANIANS." Wilkes has been proven CORRECT by science when the Human Genome Project's Y-chromosome study of European populations, confirmed that the vast majority of contemporary Albanians do not share an Illyrian or any Indo-European linneage - they are mostly a pre-IE Mediterranean population. John Wilkes correctly puts Illyrian descendants among contemporary ex-Yugoslavs, centered around Montenegro and Bosnia and branching out into Dalmatia and south-western Serbia. Wilkes hints that ex-Yugoslavs are slavicized Illyrians and he leans on C.S Coon who insists that Albanians are of mixed Slavic, Thracian, Turkish, Armenoid and Illyrian origin. This work was published in 1991 and based on the newest excavations undertaken in ex-Illyria. Wilkes brings out plenty of the most recent archaeological and anthropological evidence which other's in his field did not have access to. Ten years after he published this work, the Human Genome Project's Y-chromosome study proved him correct. Modern science has dealt a huge blow to Albanian attempts to usurpe the Illyrian legacy. He was a decade ahead of his time. Because of his work, many academics within Albania have also come out in favour of accepting the new findings; namely: Kaplan Resuli, Fatos Lubonja, Ardian Qosi and Ardian Vebiu. They are joined by many international critics of the now debunked Albanian-Illyrian theory: Paul, Hirt, Weigand, Tomashek, Georgiev, Pushcariu and many others books.google.de/books?id=4Nv6SPRKqs8C&dq=the+illyrians&printsec=frontcover&source=bn& ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml mbe.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/22/10/1964 hpgl.stanford.edu/publications/Science_2000_v290_p1155.pdf www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC53574/
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Post by bosna505 on Apr 6, 2010 11:50:00 GMT -5
in 1991 john wilks (Wilkes is the foremost LIVING authority on the Illyrians) said that bosnians are of illyrian decend. ten years after ALBANIAN accademics agreed with him: Kaplan Resuli, Fatos Lubonja, Ardian Qosi, Albinot Maloku and Ardian Vebiu also other experts worlwide like: Paul, Hirt, Weigand, Tomashek, Georgiev, Pushcariu and many others. And then we got the genetic facts from Igenea, genograpic, familytreedna............
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Post by bosna505 on Apr 6, 2010 11:51:34 GMT -5
BATO was one Illyrian king
In Bosnia Bato survvived over 2500 years. 20% of Bosnian people have the surname BATO still today.
Bato the King of Deseteati one Bosnian/Illyrian tribe.
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Post by bosna505 on Apr 6, 2010 11:52:59 GMT -5
John Wilkes - The Illyrians-Bogomils-Bosniaks continuity is self-evident as the above finds coincide with the settlements of today's Bosniaks (the Muslims of the Balkans). Note ancient maps [above] corroborating the early Antiquity-Ottoman Empire continuity too: there you can see that, of the entire western Balkans, only Bosnia was called Illyria (proper) with own Sea called Illyricum Mare (part of a larger, Adriatic - Emperor Hadrian's Sea).
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Post by bosna505 on Apr 6, 2010 11:56:39 GMT -5
Ancient Names of Bosnia
Bathinus, Bosthicus, Bostoensis, Bosona, Bissena, Bessena, Bosonium Bosnae and today Bosnia.
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Post by bosna505 on Apr 6, 2010 12:13:42 GMT -5
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Post by bosna505 on Apr 6, 2010 12:23:34 GMT -5
Ancient Names of Bosnia Bathinus, Bosthicus, Bostoensis, Bosona, Bissena, Bessena, Bosonium Bosnae and today Bosnia. Bosnia or Bosona is orgin nativ Illyrian Word.
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Post by jonleka on Apr 6, 2010 12:47:33 GMT -5
You speak a slavic lanuage.
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Patrinos
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Post by Patrinos on Apr 6, 2010 13:16:10 GMT -5
What if Bosnians are genetically Illyrians...in a degree.
What Illyrians produced as civilization to humanity except their existance, which if there weren't any Greek or Roman writers we wouldn't even know that they existed.
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Post by jonleka on Apr 6, 2010 16:32:56 GMT -5
If it wasnt for the romans they would have sacked greece. Nobody know for sure what thy did or what they were, but for sure they were a force to recon with.
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Post by Username on Apr 6, 2010 21:40:54 GMT -5
Do you people have nothing better to do than fantasize about being descendants of some no-name group of people?
Lol, comon' guys, these people weren't exactly like the Ancient Greeks or Romans.. who cares?!? I've never even heard of them until I got onto these forums..
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Post by vinjak on Apr 7, 2010 0:51:45 GMT -5
Do you people have nothing better to do than fantasize about being descendants of some no-name group of people? Lol, comon' guys, these people weren't exactly like the Ancient Greeks or Romans.. who cares?!? I've never even heard of them until I got onto these forums.. 100 % agreed.
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Post by bosna505 on Apr 7, 2010 5:37:15 GMT -5
HAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Very Funny this People here but everybody of you knows the reality but you will not accept it.
Bosnians are Illyrians look at the bosnian Pyramids in Visoko in the Heart of Bosnia its Time to Open Eyes and Accept it for your own Soulfreedom. Thanx
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Post by bosna505 on Apr 7, 2010 5:39:10 GMT -5
Bosnian Citys like Brcko are direct linked to the Illyrian Tribe Breuci and all over Bosnia you have this Facts. Bosnia is the real nativ Heart of Illyrians.
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Apr 7, 2010 5:47:10 GMT -5
Bosnians are Illyrians ---- PROFESOR JOHN WILKES OF UNIVERSITY OF LONDON HAS RECENTLY ESTABLISHED THAT BOSNIANS ARE ILLYRIANS - AN ANCIENT EUROPEAN PEOPLE. IT WAS PREVIOUSLY BELIEVED THAT ALBANIANS ARE ILLYRIANS. HOWEVER, HE FOUND OUT THAT ROMANIZATION, HELLENIZATION OR SLAVENIZATION OF THE ILLYRIANS HAS NEVER TAKEN PLACE He didn't establish it or find it out and it isn't a recent theory. There was an actual "Illyrian movement" theorizing all south slavs were linked with Illyrians founded by Croats long before this early in the 19th century well before this. And what the hell, "ROMANIZATION, HELLENIZATION OR SLAVENIZATION OF THE ILLYRIANS HAS NEVER TAKEN PLACE." That's exactly what happened for crying out loud if Bosnians are Illyrians. Why & who placed an emphasis on Illyrians being short & dark skinned? I only know of the Romans painting them as being tall; According to the Romans, the Illyrians were tall and well-built. Herodianus writes that "Pannonians are tall and strong always ready for a fight and to face danger but slow witted". Of course, this could also be considered a stereotype of the Romans used for identifying barbarians. The Roman historian Livy writes:In any case I gotta lol at the anthropological description of Albanians here. I don't think they're any much if at all darker than south slavs, but sporting and other evidence definitely points to a different physiological type to the south slavs. I've got no shadow of a doubt about it & I think it's complete bullshit whenever I read Albanians claiming Albanians are tall on Illryria forums. Only a very small subgroup in the Malsors can fit that bill. No he hasn't been "proven" correct by genetics. There is still a way to go here but it has the potential. It would require a deal of anthropological testing on Illyrian fossils & I really wish someone would hurry up and do this. Even then I can see how it wouldn't be conclusive. I think it's definitely possible. But if it's true it is not the exclusive domain of Bosnians that's for sure, rather that of all south slavs. Bosnia's name may be Illyrian but that does not equate with any homogenous culture or ethnicity and their ethnicity (Bosniaks) is younger than those of the other south slavs (Serbs, Croats, Bulgarians) since it's entirely correlated with Islam and hardly any academics have claimed that Bosnians ever represented a homogeneous people - in fact the exact opposite. Only a complete amateur can claim that Bosnians have been "proven" to be Illyrians based on genetics. In essence I'm really undecided on this theory. For the most part I've believed and supported migration theories for the south slavs (Serbs, Croats & Bulgars). If it's true that we are slavicised I just can not fathom how such a small figure of people (Serbs, Croats & Bulgars) were able to give their ethnic name & language to a much much larger group of people and nobody that advocates it (Emperor Admin) has ever even attempted to give an adequate explanation of this. Bulgarians excluded here but then Bulgar and slavic MIGRATIONS are essentially seen as fact in their makeup. I mean should we also view Serbs and Croats as a ruling warrior caste or something like that. And how could this people possibly be able to rule over this dominant tall warrior physiological type of the Illyrians? It doesn't make sense & it's very difficult to imagine. If you're talking about genetics, most of the stuff relates to haplogroup I being a native Illyrian gene and I think the evidence is also very very inadequate to plain wrong for this. About a year ago I got into it a fair bit & I also found a claim that haplogroup I2a2 is not native but rather came to the Balkans from around the Carpathians which is essentially supporting migration theory and I think this is very possible considering that more individuals with haplogroup I2a2 actually do exist in slavic lands and also no explanation has been provided how it would have migrated north to form a larger population if it was native here. The European Migration Period (300 to 700) generally heads in a north-south direction... there's heaps of things to make it plausible & I've posted this stuff. On the surface when reading articles like this it can seem likely that the south slavs are slavicised Illyrians but then every time I start thinking of these other things more deeply I'm not convinced and migrations always seem more likely to me.
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Apr 7, 2010 6:09:10 GMT -5
HAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAH Very Funny this People here but everybody of you knows the reality but you will not accept it. Bosnians are Illyrians look at the bosnian Pyramids in Visoko in the Heart of Bosnia its Time to Open Eyes and Accept it for your own Soulfreedom. Thanx The Bosnian pyramids lol classic. Bosnian Citys like Brcko are direct linked to the Illyrian Tribe Breuci and all over Bosnia you have this Facts. Bosnia is the real nativ Heart of Illyrians. Bosnia has no Illyrian heart what-so-ever and can't because the very few things we know about Illyrians no longer exists in any Bosnian culture. The only people claiming this are Muslims to escape their Serb, Croat & or slav origins. The only heart Bosniaks have is an Ottoman one.
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Post by bosna505 on Apr 7, 2010 6:09:28 GMT -5
HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
All the greatest and seriousest DNA Institutes Worldwide who have make DNA Tests in Balkan have show that Prof. Wilkes is the real LIVING authority forn Illyrian History.
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Post by bosna505 on Apr 7, 2010 6:12:23 GMT -5
Hey man please you are a serb when God come to you and say Bosnians are nativ balkanic people and illyrians than you will say to him NO.
Please i dont speak with funny serbs about Bosnian History serbs have the most funny History full with stupid myths, lies learn first your history before speak about your neighbourgs.
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Apr 7, 2010 6:14:19 GMT -5
HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH All the greatest and seriousest DNA Institutes Worldwide who have make DNA Tests in Balkan have show that Prof. Wilkes is the real LIVING authority forn Illyrian History. The "seriousest" lol that is a cool word ;D You show me these serious guys ok I'm waiting. I haven't seen anything new in this field for a while. Maybe you've seen something I haven't. Hey man please you are a serb when God come to you and say Bosnians are nativ balkanic people and illyrians than you will say to him NO. Really it doesn't make much of a difference to Serbian identity because if Bosnians are mostly native Balkanites based on genetics then so are Serbs. It actually makes you less special because Bosniaks & Serbs would even moreso be a homogenous people with shared identity before you became Muslim Ottomans. The Bosniak great hope would be that they are significantly different enough to say that Serbs & Croats came from far away and you were already there or something, but that can never happen because you are still genetically too close to Serbs. I can be a funny Serb sometimes but not often on this forum. You're a pretty funny Bosnian though with those English skills Mr Seriousest.
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Post by bosna505 on Apr 7, 2010 6:14:57 GMT -5
"Serb" in the language Bizantinaca is the word that means "slaves", and that language is usually word "serbula" means the shoes of slaves, and the word "tzerboulianous" means those who wear cheap,shoes of the poor . The Serbs were given the name because they have become slaves of the emperor Bizantinaca.
SERBS NEVER EXISTS in reality serbs are a big mix of vlahs, gypsies, bulgarians, rumanians, hungarys, turks and others! ! !
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