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Post by bosna505 on Apr 24, 2010 9:52:28 GMT -5
But is very funny the serbs in Bosnia have more Illyrian Blood than Albanians HAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAAH Bosnia 50% of I2a2 Albania17% of I2a2www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtmlAlbanians its Hard we understand you but its Time to accept and stop lie yourself. But Illyrian91 you are a undercover Illyrian ;D You are so funny.. .l2a2 illyrian??? I2a2 (formerly I1b) is typical of the Dinaric Slavs (Croats, Serbs and Bosniaks). Its highest density is observed around ex-Yugoslavia and Moldova, but it is also common to a lower extent in Albania, Northern Greece, Bulgaria, Romania, Ukraine, Belarus, and southwestern Russia. The high concentratio of I2a2 in north-east Romania, Moldova and central Ukraine reminds of the maximum spread of the Cucuteni-Tripolye culture before it was swallowed by the Indo-European Corded Ware culture. This could mean that the Cucuteni-Tripolye culture was a native European group of hunter-gatherers who adopted farming after coming in contact (with perhaps some intermarriages) with the Levantine farmers who settled in the Balkans (haplogroups E-V13, J2b and T). Etymology: The term Neo-Danubian is derived from Danubian ("of the River Danube"), a cultural designation associated with the proto-Nordics of the Neolithic, who brought Indo-European language (Slavic and Baltic) to the eastern steppes. Other names: - Oriental (Deniker) - Osteuropid (von Eickstedt; includes the East Baltic type) - Pre-Slavic (Czekanowski) - Slavic (popular anthropology) - Subnordic (Deniker; includes the East Baltic type) Origin: Danubian proto-Nordic altered by the semi-mongolid Ladogan racial type of the northeastern forests. This type was brought westward from the Volga country with the migrations of the Baltic Finns during the centuries immediately preceding and after the time of Christ. Today it presents a variable but easily recognizable phenotype of eastern Europe. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18664146your propaganda makes me laugh so ;D Ah Ah Ah oh man so funny this albanians this is not normaly albanians know very good they are the greatest Propagandists and Liars same s**t with Serbs the only Problem is that Nobody in the World believe in your Fantasys. What is with albanians say us what are albanians wht they have produced in History or Today please your People is the Joke from the most poor Nation in Europe but your History is the greatest??? ;D I2a2 (M423) is typical of populations of south-eastern Europe, being highest in Dalmatia (Croatia) and Bosnia-Herzegovina(>50%).[9] Haplogroup I2a2 is also commonly found in other Slavic peoples, Romanians, Moldovans, Hungarians, Albanians, Greeks, and northeastern Italians.I2a2 is typical Illyro-Dinaric and its stupid to discuss about this. For Slavs is Typical R1a Haplogroup here look here www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtmlAlbanians are not a pure People how albanians like to dream the albanians have not a real pure dominated Haplogroup like Bosnians with 50% albanians are a big Mix and not pure Illyrians I2a2 (Illyro-Dinaric)Bosnia 50% Croatia 42% Albania 17% Ukraine 12% Russia 10.5% Poland 9%R1a (Balto-Slavic)Bosnia 13,5% Croatia 29% Albania 9% Ukraine 50% Russia 46% Poland 56,5% Oh Albanians Albanians
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Post by 91illyrian on Apr 24, 2010 11:36:57 GMT -5
Ah Ah Ah oh man so funny this albanians this is not normaly albanians know very good they are the greatest Propagandists and Liars same s**t with Serbs the only Problem is that Nobody in the World believe in your Fantasys. ;D What is with albanians say us what are albanians wht they have produced in History or Today please your People is the Joke from the most poor Nation in Europe but your History is the greatest??? ;D I2a2 (M423) is typical of populations of south-eastern Europe, being highest in Dalmatia (Croatia) and Bosnia-Herzegovina(>50%).[9] Haplogroup I2a2 is also commonly found in other Slavic peoples, Romanians, Moldovans, Hungarians, Albanians, Greeks, and northeastern Italians.I2a2 is typical Illyro-Dinaric and its stupid to discuss about this. For Slavs is Typical R1a Haplogroup here look here
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtmlAlbanians are not a pure People how albanians like to dream the albanians have not a real pure dominated Haplogroup like Bosnians with 50% albanians are a big Mix and not pure Illyrians ;D ;D ;D ;D I2a2 (Illyro-Dinaric)? ;D ;D ;D Bosnia 50% Croatia 42% Albania 17% Ukraine 12% Russia 10.5% Poland 9%R1a (Balto-Slavic)Bosnia 13,5% Croatia 29% Albania 9% Ukraine 50% Russia 46% Poland 56,5% Oh Albanians Albanians www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtmlIn your site eupedia is write: l2a2:Dinaric, Danubian not illyrian ;D FANTASY??? You are very very very funny I am tired of your bullshit.Now, I'll shut your mouth,Serbian Muslim. ;D ON ALBANIANS: ___"Albanians are a very homogenous pop- ulation, their history suggests that they did not mix with neighboring popula- tions. It is assumed that Albanians have Illyrian origin" 209.85.129.104/search?q=cache:Kqj5uZRfjIUJ:hrcak.srce.hr/file/15462+%22HLA+Class+I+Polymorphism+in+the+Albanian+Population%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1___“ Survey of anthropological features of the Illyrians": The purpose of this paper is to bring to evidence the physical traits of the ancient inhabitants of Albania, the Illyrians, through an anthropological study of 93 human skeletons of different periods. Based on the available typological data the author comes to the conclusion that the Illyrians of the Albanian territory constituted an Adriatic-Mediterranean population with Nordic and Alpine minorities. The results of this study throw light on certain historical phenomena, which are linked with the origin and formation of the Illyrians" Thissurvey have shown that Albanians of today are the direct descendents of Illirian-Thraco race! www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3304152?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum ;D ;D
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Post by 91illyrian on Apr 24, 2010 11:46:24 GMT -5
ALBANIA:ILLYRIAN ORIGIN The theory that Albanians were related to the Illyrians was proposed for the first time by the Swedish historian Johann Erich Thunmann in 1774.The scholars who advocate an Illyrian origin are numerous.There are two variants of the theory: one is that the Albanians are the descendants of indigenous Illyrian tribes dwelling in what is now Albania.The other is that the Albanians are the descendants of Illyrian tribes located north of the Jireček Line and probably north or northeast of Albania. The arguments for the Illyrian-Albanian connection have been as follows: * The national name Albania is derived from Albanoi,an Illyrian tribe mentioned by Ptolemy about 150 A.D., though nothing absolutely proves a connection to the later Albanians, who appear in the historical record in Byzantine documents of the 11th century. * From what we know from the old Balkan populations territories (Greeks, Illyrians, Thracians, Dacians), Albanian language is spoken in the same region where Illyrian was spoken in ancient times. * There is no evidence of any major migration into Albanian territory since the records of Illyrian occupation. * Many of what remain as attested words to Illyrian have an Albanian explanation and also a number of Illyrian lexical items (toponyms, hydronyms, oronyms, anthroponyms, etc.) have been linked to Albanian. * Borrowed words (eg Gk (NW) "device, instrument" mākhaná > *mokër "millstone" Gk (NW) drápanon > *drapër "sickle" etc) from Greek language date back before the Christian era[45] and are mostly of Doric dialect of Greek language, which means that the ancestors of the Albanians were in Northwestern part of Ancient Greek civilization and probably borrowed them from Greek cities (Dyrrachium, Apollonia, etc) in the Illyrian territory, colonies which belonged to the Doric division of Greek, or from the contacts in Epirus area. * Borrowed words from Latin (eg Latin aurum > ar "gold", gaudium > gaz "gas" etc) date back before the Christian era, while Illyrians in the today's Albanian territory were the first from the old Balkan populations to be conquered by Romans in 229 - 167 B.C., Thracians were conquered in 45 A.D. and Dacians in 106 A.D. * The ancient Illyrian place-names of the region have achieved their current form following Albanian phonetic rules e.g. Durrachion > Durrës (with the Albanian initial accent) Aulona > Vlonë~Vlorë (with rhotacism) Scodra > Shkodra etc. * The characteristics of the Albanian dialects Tosk and Geg in the treatment of the native and loanwords from other languages, have lead to the conclusion that the dialectal split preceded the Slavic migration to the Balkans which means that in that period (5th to 6th century AD) Albanians were occupying pretty much the same area around Shkumbin river which straddled the Jirecek line. Infact the reverses of three Albanian coins depict Illyrian motives: an Illyrian helmet in the 50 lekë coin issued in 2003, king Gentius in the 50 lekë coin issued in 1996 and 2000, and queen Teuta in the 100 lekë coin issued in 2000. Gentius is also depicted on the obverse of the 2000 lekë banknote, issued in 2008. Study the history about illyrians, serbian muslim
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Post by 91illyrian on Apr 24, 2010 11:58:16 GMT -5
Genetic studiesBEFORE OF INVASION SLAVIC ;D Different genetic studies has been made on European population some of them including current Albanian population, Albanian speaking populations outside of Albania, and the Balkan region as a whole. One of the first studies was that of Belledi et al. (2000) where they suggested that the Albanians share the same ancestry as most other European peoples. Looking at more recent studies specifically about Y chromosomal lineages, several of the most common lineages in the Balkans vary considerably between the Albanian region and other neighbouring regions. The two haplogroups most strongly associated with the Albanian area are often considered to have arrived in Europe from the Near East with the Neolithic revolution or late Mesolithic, early in the Holocene epoch. From here in the Balkans, it is thought, they spread to the rest of Europe.___Y haplogroup E1b1b (E-M35) in the modern Balkan population is dominated by its sub-clade E1b1b1a (E-M78) and specifically by the most common European sub-clade of E-M78, E-V13. This haplogroup shows highest frequencies in and around Albanian speaking regions, however, its diversity there is correspondingly lower. This implies that V-13 did not originate in the Albanian regions, but rather accrued high frequency due to phenomena such as drift. The majority of E-V13 in Europe and elsewhere descend from a common ancestor who lived in the Balkans in the late Mesolithic or Neolithic. The current distribution of this lineage might be the result of several demographic expansions from the Balkans, such as that associated with the Neolithic revolution, the Balkan Bronze Age, and more recently, during the Roman era during the so-called "rise of Illyrican soldiery". _____Y haplogroup J in the modern Balkans is mainly represented by the sub-clade J2b (also known as J-M12 or J-M102 for example). Like E-V13, this clade is spread throughout Europe with a seeming centre and origin near to Albania. Other Neolithic markers regarding Haplogroup J in the current Albanian population are represented as (14.3%) belonging to J-M102/M12, (3.6%) belonging to J-M67, (1.8%) belonging to J-M92 and (2.2%) belonging to J-M267. The current Albanian population shows the highest level of J-M102/M12 at 14.3% followed by the North -Center Italy with 9.6% and Greeks with 6.5% (Semino et al. (2004). The Neolithic markers of Haplogroup E in current Albanian population it are entirely represented (100%) by the E-M78 (Semino et al. (2004)) while in turn the E-M78 in current Albanian population is entirely represented (100%) by E-V13 Cruciani et al. (2007). Also the current Albanian population has the highest level of Hg E and E-V13 respectivly in the Balkan region (Semino et al. (2004)), Cruciani et al. (2007). The intepretation of the data has been made also in the above mentioned studies but also in other studies. The subgroup of J-M102/M12 in the study of (Semino et al. (2004)) was suggested that it is related with the movement of the population from the souther Balkans: Whereas J-M67* and J-M92 show higher frequencies and variances in Europe (0.40 and 0.32, respectively) and in Turkey (0.32 and 0.30, respectively [Cinnioglu et al. 2004]) than in the Middle East (0.17 and 0.09, respectively), J-M12(M102) shows its maximum frequency in the Balkans. In spite of the relative high value of variance of this haplogroup in Turkey (Cinnioglu et al. 2004)—which, however, could be due to multiple arrivals—the pattern of distribution and the network of J-M12(M102) are consistent with its diffusion in Europe from the southern Balkans. (Semino et al. (2004)) The haplogroup J2b (J-M12) is frequently also discussed in connection to E-V13, as a haplogroup with a seemingly very similar distribution and pre-history especially at Cruciani et al. (2007). He sugested that E-V13 originated in situ in the Balkans: Haplogroup E-V13 is the only E-M78 lineage that reaches the highest frequencies out of Africa. In fact, it represents about 85% of the European E-M78 chromosomes with a clinal pattern of frequency distribution from the southern Balkan peninsula (19.6%) to western Europe (2.5%). The same haplogroup is also present at lower frequencies in Anatolia (3.8%), the Near East (2.0%), and the Caucasus (1.8%). In Africa, haplogroup E-V13 is rare, being observed only in northern Africa at a low frequency (0.9%)...The arrangement of E-V13 and J-M12 frequency surfaces appears to fit the expectations for a range expansion in an already populated territory (Klopfstein et al. 2006). ..Thus, the present work discloses a further level of complexity in the interpretation of the genetic landscape of southeastern Europe, this being to a large extent the consequence of a recent population increase in situ rather than the result of a mere flow of western Asian migrants in the early Neolithic.(Cruciani et al. (2007)) Cruciani et al. (2007)sugested that the population movement from the Balkans may have been as recent as 5300 years ago. The authors suggest that this in situ population increase in the Balkans is to be associated with the Balkan Bronze age, rather than an actual migratory movement of peoples from western Asia. In the next step, "the dispersion of the E-V13 and J-M12 haplogroups seems to have mainly followed the river waterways connecting the southern Balkans to north-central Europe". These 2 haplogroups account for more than one-fourth of the chromosomes currently found in the southern Balkans, underlining the strong demographic impact of the expansion in the area. Our estimated coalescence age of about 4.5 ky for haplogroups E-V13 and J-M12 in Europe (and their CIs) would also exclude a demographic expansion associated with the introduction of agriculture from Anatolia and would place this event at the beginning of the Balkan Bronze Age, a period that saw strong demographic changes as clearly testified from archeological records (Childe 1957; Piggott 1965; Kristiansen 1998). (Cruciani et al. (2007)) upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/81/Cardial_map.png/800px-Cardial_map.png[/img] Approximate distribution of Cardium Pottery However, another author Battaglia et al. (2008)[61] propose that the E-M78* lineage ancestral to all modern E-V13 men moved rapidly out of a Southern Egyptian homeland, in the wetter conditions of the early Holocene; arrived in Europe with only Mesolithic technologies and then only subsequently integrated with Neolithic cultures which arrived later in the Balkans. They he suggest that the E-V13 sub-clade of E-M78 originated in situ in Europe, and proposed that the first major dispersal of E-V13 from the Balkans may have been in the direction of the Adriatic Sea with the Neolithic Impressed Ware culture often referred to as Impressa or Cardial. In any case E-V13 is generally described in population genetics as one of the components of the European genetic composition which shows the contribution made by the populations who dispersed Neolithic technology. As such, it also represents a relatively recent genetic movement out of Africa into Eurasia, and has been described "a signal for a separate late-Pleistocene migration from Africa to Europe over Sinai ... which is not manifested in mtDNA haplogroup distributions". An interesting study regarding old Balkan populations and their genetic affinities with current European populations has been carried out in 2004.[64] This study was based in mtDNA polymorphisms (HVR I and HVR II sequences) on the skeletal remains of some old Thracian populations from SE of Romania, dating from the Bronze and Iron Age: human fossil bones of 20 individuals dating about 3200-4100 years, from the Bronze Age, belonging to some cultures such as Tei, Monteoru and Noua were found in graves from some necropoles in SE of Romania, namely in Zimnicea, Smeeni, Candesti, Cioinagi-Balintesti, Gradistea-Coslogeni and Sultana-Malu Rosu.... and the human fossil bones and teeth of 27 individuals from the early Iron Age, dating from the 10th -7th century B.C. from the Hallstatt Era (the Babadag Culture), were found extremely SE of Romania near the Black Sea coast, in some settlements from Dobrogea, namely: Jurilovca, Satu Nou, Babadag, Niculitel and Enisala-Palanca. After comparing this material with the present-day European population the authors concluded: Computing the frequency of common point mutations of the present-day European population with the Thracian population has resulted that the Italian (7.9 %), the Albanian (6.3 %) and the Greek (5.8 %) have shown a bias of closer genetic kinship with the Thracian individuals than the Romanian and Bulgarian individuals (only 4.2%).. Thracian or Dacian originAlbanians in the 5th-10th centuries according to the Dacian theory. Aside from an Illyrian origin, a Dacian or Thracian origin is also hypothesized. There are a number of factors taken as evidence for a Dacian or Thracian origin of Albanians. Schramm (1994) suggests an origin of the Albanians in the Bessoi, a Thracian tribe that was Christianized as early as during the 4th century. Schramm argues that such an early Christianization would explain the otherwise surprising virtual absence of any traces of a pre-Christian pagan religion among the Albanians as they appear in history during the Late Middle Ages. Albanian shares several hundred common words with Eastern Romance, these Eastern Romance words being part of the pre-Roman substrate and not loans; Albanian and Eastern Romance also share grammatical features (see Balkan language union) and phonological features, such as the common phonemes or the rhotacism of "n". Linguists such as Vladimir Georgiev have concluded that the phonology of the Dacian language is close to that of Albanian. He suggests that Rumanian is a fully Romanised Dacian language, whereas Albanian is only partly so. However, the degree of this closeness has been criticized and challenged by other linguists, and it is based on incomplete evidence. Cities whose names follow Albanian phonetic laws - such as Shtip (Štip), Shkupi (Skopje) and Niš - lie in the areas once inhabited by Thracians,[citation needed] Dardani, and Paionians; however, Illyrians also inhabited or may have inhabited these regions, including Naissus. Hemp for example states that Naissus may as well be considered Illyrian territory. There are some close correspondences between Thracian and Albanian words. However, as with Illyrian, most Dacian and Thracian words and names have not been closely linked with Albanian (v. Hemp). Also, many Dacian and Thracian placenames were made out of joined names (such as Dacian Sucidava or Thracian Bessapara; see List of Dacian cities and List of ancient Thracian cities), while the modern Albanian language does not allow this. There are no records that indicate a migration of Dacians into present day Albania. However, Thracian tribes such as the Bryges were present in Albania near Durrës since before the Roman conquest (v. Hemp). An argument against a Thracian origin (which does not apply to Dacian) is that most Thracian territory was on the Greek half of the Jirecek Line, aside from varied Thracian populations stretching from Thrace into Albania, passing through Paionia and Dardania and up into Moesia; it is considered that most Thracians were Hellenized in Thrace (v. Hoddinott) and Macedonia. Apart from linguistic theory that Albanian is more akin to eastern Romance (i.e. Dacian substrate) than western Roman (with Illyrian substrate- such as Dalmatian), Georgiev also notes that marine words in Albanian are borrowed from other languages, suggesting that Albanians were not originally a coastal people (as the Illyrians were). The scarcity of Greek loan words also supports a Dacian theory - if Albanians originated in the region of Illyria there would surely be a heavy Greek influence. The Dacian theory could also be consistent with the known patterns of barbarian incursions. Although there is no documentation of an Albanian migration (in fact there is no documentation of Albanians per se until the 11th century) the Morava valley region adjacent to Dacia was most heavily affected by migrations, thus making it plausible for its indigenous population to flee to, for example, the relative safety of mountainous northern Albania. ALBANIANS ARE THE MOST OLD PEOPLE OF EUROPE AND BALKANS. ALBANIANS=ILLYRIANS
BOSNIANS=SERBS MUSLIM And with this I close the discussion because talking with you is like talking with the world of dreams. ;D
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Post by bosna505 on Apr 24, 2010 12:12:00 GMT -5
Ah Ah Ah oh man so funny this albanians this is not normaly albanians know very good they are the greatest Propagandists and Liars same s**t with Serbs the only Problem is that Nobody in the World believe in your Fantasys. ;D What is with albanians say us what are albanians wht they have produced in History or Today please your People is the Joke from the most poor Nation in Europe but your History is the greatest??? ;D I2a2 (M423) is typical of populations of south-eastern Europe, being highest in Dalmatia (Croatia) and Bosnia-Herzegovina(>50%).[9] Haplogroup I2a2 is also commonly found in other Slavic peoples, Romanians, Moldovans, Hungarians, Albanians, Greeks, and northeastern Italians.I2a2 is typical Illyro-Dinaric and its stupid to discuss about this. For Slavs is Typical R1a Haplogroup here look here
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtmlAlbanians are not a pure People how albanians like to dream the albanians have not a real pure dominated Haplogroup like Bosnians with 50% albanians are a big Mix and not pure Illyrians ;D ;D ;D ;D I2a2 (Illyro-Dinaric)? ;D ;D ;D Bosnia 50% Croatia 42% Albania 17% Ukraine 12% Russia 10.5% Poland 9%R1a (Balto-Slavic)Bosnia 13,5% Croatia 29% Albania 9% Ukraine 50% Russia 46% Poland 56,5% Oh Albanians Albanians www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtmlIn your site eupedia is write: l2a2:Dinaric, Danubian not illyrian ;D FANTASY??? You are very very very funny I am tired of your bulls**t.Now, I'll shut your mouth,Serbian Muslim. ;D ON ALBANIANS: ___"Albanians are a very homogenous pop- ulation, their history suggests that they did not mix with neighboring popula- tions. It is assumed that Albanians have Illyrian origin" 209.85.129.104/search?q=cache:Kqj5uZRfjIUJ:hrcak.srce.hr/file/15462+%22HLA+Class+I+Polymorphism+in+the+Albanian+Population%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1___“ Survey of anthropological features of the Illyrians": The purpose of this paper is to bring to evidence the physical traits of the ancient inhabitants of Albania, the Illyrians, through an anthropological study of 93 human skeletons of different periods. Based on the available typological data the author comes to the conclusion that the Illyrians of the Albanian territory constituted an Adriatic-Mediterranean population with Nordic and Alpine minorities. The results of this study throw light on certain historical phenomena, which are linked with the origin and formation of the Illyrians" Thissurvey have shown that Albanians of today are the direct descendents of Illirian-Thraco race! www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3304152?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum ;D ;D Wow what a Maximumserious Websites you give to us from Faculty of Pristina (Kosovo) HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH okay when Faculty of Pristina say this than we must belive it sorry Illyrian91 ;D ;D ;D ;D The other Text is from 1987 have more actually more serious Facts we see all the modern DNA Technology bring the real Truth and not the great Facultys of Pristiana Tirana and all the other great Facultys Your DNA your Blood can not lies like Propagandists we will become in next Future much more of this Truths and many Propagandas will be only RUINS like serbians, albanians and others.
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Post by bosna505 on Apr 24, 2010 12:18:47 GMT -5
ALBANIA:ILLYRIAN ORIGIN The theory that Albanians were related to the Illyrians was proposed for the first time by the Swedish historian Johann Erich Thunmann in 1774.The scholars who advocate an Illyrian origin are numerous.There are two variants of the theory: one is that the Albanians are the descendants of indigenous Illyrian tribes dwelling in what is now Albania.The other is that the Albanians are the descendants of Illyrian tribes located north of the Jireček Line and probably north or northeast of Albania. The arguments for the Illyrian-Albanian connection have been as follows: * The national name Albania is derived from Albanoi,an Illyrian tribe mentioned by Ptolemy about 150 A.D., though nothing absolutely proves a connection to the later Albanians, who appear in the historical record in Byzantine documents of the 11th century. * From what we know from the old Balkan populations territories (Greeks, Illyrians, Thracians, Dacians), Albanian language is spoken in the same region where Illyrian was spoken in ancient times. * There is no evidence of any major migration into Albanian territory since the records of Illyrian occupation. * Many of what remain as attested words to Illyrian have an Albanian explanation and also a number of Illyrian lexical items (toponyms, hydronyms, oronyms, anthroponyms, etc.) have been linked to Albanian. * Borrowed words (eg Gk (NW) "device, instrument" mākhaná > *mokër "millstone" Gk (NW) drápanon > *drapër "sickle" etc) from Greek language date back before the Christian era[45] and are mostly of Doric dialect of Greek language, which means that the ancestors of the Albanians were in Northwestern part of Ancient Greek civilization and probably borrowed them from Greek cities (Dyrrachium, Apollonia, etc) in the Illyrian territory, colonies which belonged to the Doric division of Greek, or from the contacts in Epirus area. * Borrowed words from Latin (eg Latin aurum > ar "gold", gaudium > gaz "gas" etc) date back before the Christian era, while Illyrians in the today's Albanian territory were the first from the old Balkan populations to be conquered by Romans in 229 - 167 B.C., Thracians were conquered in 45 A.D. and Dacians in 106 A.D. * The ancient Illyrian place-names of the region have achieved their current form following Albanian phonetic rules e.g. Durrachion > Durrës (with the Albanian initial accent) Aulona > Vlonë~Vlorë (with rhotacism) Scodra > Shkodra etc. * The characteristics of the Albanian dialects Tosk and Geg in the treatment of the native and loanwords from other languages, have lead to the conclusion that the dialectal split preceded the Slavic migration to the Balkans which means that in that period (5th to 6th century AD) Albanians were occupying pretty much the same area around Shkumbin river which straddled the Jirecek line. Infact the reverses of three Albanian coins depict Illyrian motives: an Illyrian helmet in the 50 lekë coin issued in 2003, king Gentius in the 50 lekë coin issued in 1996 and 2000, and queen Teuta in the 100 lekë coin issued in 2000. Gentius is also depicted on the obverse of the 2000 lekë banknote, issued in 2008. Study the history about illyrians, serbian muslim Swedish historian Johann Erich Thunmann in 1774Why how poor this Albanians give my Texts from 1774 have you actually Facts??? what comes next 1389 b.c. ;D Albanians are really cool i like this Propagandists and Dreamers but every Dream must Stop. 17
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Post by bosna505 on Apr 24, 2010 12:23:26 GMT -5
ALBANIA:ILLYRIAN ORIGIN The theory that Albanians were related to the Illyrians was proposed for the first time by the Swedish historian Johann Erich Thunmann in 1774.The scholars who advocate an Illyrian origin are numerous.There are two variants of the theory: one is that the Albanians are the descendants of indigenous Illyrian tribes dwelling in what is now Albania.The other is that the Albanians are the descendants of Illyrian tribes located north of the Jireček Line and probably north or northeast of Albania. The arguments for the Illyrian-Albanian connection have been as follows: * The national name Albania is derived from Albanoi,an Illyrian tribe mentioned by Ptolemy about 150 A.D., though nothing absolutely proves a connection to the later Albanians, who appear in the historical record in Byzantine documents of the 11th century. * From what we know from the old Balkan populations territories (Greeks, Illyrians, Thracians, Dacians), Albanian language is spoken in the same region where Illyrian was spoken in ancient times. * There is no evidence of any major migration into Albanian territory since the records of Illyrian occupation. * Many of what remain as attested words to Illyrian have an Albanian explanation and also a number of Illyrian lexical items (toponyms, hydronyms, oronyms, anthroponyms, etc.) have been linked to Albanian. * Borrowed words (eg Gk (NW) "device, instrument" mākhaná > *mokër "millstone" Gk (NW) drápanon > *drapër "sickle" etc) from Greek language date back before the Christian era[45] and are mostly of Doric dialect of Greek language, which means that the ancestors of the Albanians were in Northwestern part of Ancient Greek civilization and probably borrowed them from Greek cities (Dyrrachium, Apollonia, etc) in the Illyrian territory, colonies which belonged to the Doric division of Greek, or from the contacts in Epirus area. * Borrowed words from Latin (eg Latin aurum > ar "gold", gaudium > gaz "gas" etc) date back before the Christian era, while Illyrians in the today's Albanian territory were the first from the old Balkan populations to be conquered by Romans in 229 - 167 B.C., Thracians were conquered in 45 A.D. and Dacians in 106 A.D. * The ancient Illyrian place-names of the region have achieved their current form following Albanian phonetic rules e.g. Durrachion > Durrës (with the Albanian initial accent) Aulona > Vlonë~Vlorë (with rhotacism) Scodra > Shkodra etc. * The characteristics of the Albanian dialects Tosk and Geg in the treatment of the native and loanwords from other languages, have lead to the conclusion that the dialectal split preceded the Slavic migration to the Balkans which means that in that period (5th to 6th century AD) Albanians were occupying pretty much the same area around Shkumbin river which straddled the Jirecek line. Infact the reverses of three Albanian coins depict Illyrian motives: an Illyrian helmet in the 50 lekë coin issued in 2003, king Gentius in the 50 lekë coin issued in 1996 and 2000, and queen Teuta in the 100 lekë coin issued in 2000. Gentius is also depicted on the obverse of the 2000 lekë banknote, issued in 2008. Study the history about illyrians, serbian muslim Ohhhhhhhh yes yes thats the best Joke of all Albanoi ;D ;D ;D Your Name Shqiperia what do think that people is stupid and dont know this and believe in your lies???
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Post by bosna505 on Apr 24, 2010 12:46:42 GMT -5
Genetic studiesBEFORE OF INVASION SLAVIC ;D Different genetic studies has been made on European population some of them including current Albanian population, Albanian speaking populations outside of Albania, and the Balkan region as a whole. One of the first studies was that of Belledi et al. (2000) where they suggested that the Albanians share the same ancestry as most other European peoples. Looking at more recent studies specifically about Y chromosomal lineages, several of the most common lineages in the Balkans vary considerably between the Albanian region and other neighbouring regions. The two haplogroups most strongly associated with the Albanian area are often considered to have arrived in Europe from the Near East with the Neolithic revolution or late Mesolithic, early in the Holocene epoch. From here in the Balkans, it is thought, they spread to the rest of Europe.___Y haplogroup E1b1b (E-M35) in the modern Balkan population is dominated by its sub-clade E1b1b1a (E-M78) and specifically by the most common European sub-clade of E-M78, E-V13. This haplogroup shows highest frequencies in and around Albanian speaking regions, however, its diversity there is correspondingly lower. This implies that V-13 did not originate in the Albanian regions, but rather accrued high frequency due to phenomena such as drift. The majority of E-V13 in Europe and elsewhere descend from a common ancestor who lived in the Balkans in the late Mesolithic or Neolithic. The current distribution of this lineage might be the result of several demographic expansions from the Balkans, such as that associated with the Neolithic revolution, the Balkan Bronze Age, and more recently, during the Roman era during the so-called "rise of Illyrican soldiery". _____Y haplogroup J in the modern Balkans is mainly represented by the sub-clade J2b (also known as J-M12 or J-M102 for example). Like E-V13, this clade is spread throughout Europe with a seeming centre and origin near to Albania. Other Neolithic markers regarding Haplogroup J in the current Albanian population are represented as (14.3%) belonging to J-M102/M12, (3.6%) belonging to J-M67, (1.8%) belonging to J-M92 and (2.2%) belonging to J-M267. The current Albanian population shows the highest level of J-M102/M12 at 14.3% followed by the North -Center Italy with 9.6% and Greeks with 6.5% (Semino et al. (2004). The Neolithic markers of Haplogroup E in current Albanian population it are entirely represented (100%) by the E-M78 (Semino et al. (2004)) while in turn the E-M78 in current Albanian population is entirely represented (100%) by E-V13 Cruciani et al. (2007). Also the current Albanian population has the highest level of Hg E and E-V13 respectivly in the Balkan region (Semino et al. (2004)), Cruciani et al. (2007). The intepretation of the data has been made also in the above mentioned studies but also in other studies. The subgroup of J-M102/M12 in the study of (Semino et al. (2004)) was suggested that it is related with the movement of the population from the souther Balkans: Whereas J-M67* and J-M92 show higher frequencies and variances in Europe (0.40 and 0.32, respectively) and in Turkey (0.32 and 0.30, respectively [Cinnioglu et al. 2004]) than in the Middle East (0.17 and 0.09, respectively), J-M12(M102) shows its maximum frequency in the Balkans. In spite of the relative high value of variance of this haplogroup in Turkey (Cinnioglu et al. 2004)—which, however, could be due to multiple arrivals—the pattern of distribution and the network of J-M12(M102) are consistent with its diffusion in Europe from the southern Balkans. (Semino et al. (2004)) The haplogroup J2b (J-M12) is frequently also discussed in connection to E-V13, as a haplogroup with a seemingly very similar distribution and pre-history especially at Cruciani et al. (2007). He sugested that E-V13 originated in situ in the Balkans: Haplogroup E-V13 is the only E-M78 lineage that reaches the highest frequencies out of Africa. In fact, it represents about 85% of the European E-M78 chromosomes with a clinal pattern of frequency distribution from the southern Balkan peninsula (19.6%) to western Europe (2.5%). The same haplogroup is also present at lower frequencies in Anatolia (3.8%), the Near East (2.0%), and the Caucasus (1.8%). In Africa, haplogroup E-V13 is rare, being observed only in northern Africa at a low frequency (0.9%)...The arrangement of E-V13 and J-M12 frequency surfaces appears to fit the expectations for a range expansion in an already populated territory (Klopfstein et al. 2006). ..Thus, the present work discloses a further level of complexity in the interpretation of the genetic landscape of southeastern Europe, this being to a large extent the consequence of a recent population increase in situ rather than the result of a mere flow of western Asian migrants in the early Neolithic.(Cruciani et al. (2007)) Cruciani et al. (2007)sugested that the population movement from the Balkans may have been as recent as 5300 years ago. The authors suggest that this in situ population increase in the Balkans is to be associated with the Balkan Bronze age, rather than an actual migratory movement of peoples from western Asia. In the next step, "the dispersion of the E-V13 and J-M12 haplogroups seems to have mainly followed the river waterways connecting the southern Balkans to north-central Europe". These 2 haplogroups account for more than one-fourth of the chromosomes currently found in the southern Balkans, underlining the strong demographic impact of the expansion in the area. Our estimated coalescence age of about 4.5 ky for haplogroups E-V13 and J-M12 in Europe (and their CIs) would also exclude a demographic expansion associated with the introduction of agriculture from Anatolia and would place this event at the beginning of the Balkan Bronze Age, a period that saw strong demographic changes as clearly testified from archeological records (Childe 1957; Piggott 1965; Kristiansen 1998). (Cruciani et al. (2007)) upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/81/Cardial_map.png/800px-Cardial_map.png [/img] Approximate distribution of Cardium Pottery However, another author Battaglia et al. (2008)[61] propose that the E-M78* lineage ancestral to all modern E-V13 men moved rapidly out of a Southern Egyptian homeland, in the wetter conditions of the early Holocene; arrived in Europe with only Mesolithic technologies and then only subsequently integrated with Neolithic cultures which arrived later in the Balkans. They he suggest that the E-V13 sub-clade of E-M78 originated in situ in Europe, and proposed that the first major dispersal of E-V13 from the Balkans may have been in the direction of the Adriatic Sea with the Neolithic Impressed Ware culture often referred to as Impressa or Cardial. In any case E-V13 is generally described in population genetics as one of the components of the European genetic composition which shows the contribution made by the populations who dispersed Neolithic technology. As such, it also represents a relatively recent genetic movement out of Africa into Eurasia, and has been described "a signal for a separate late-Pleistocene migration from Africa to Europe over Sinai ... which is not manifested in mtDNA haplogroup distributions". An interesting study regarding old Balkan populations and their genetic affinities with current European populations has been carried out in 2004.[64] This study was based in mtDNA polymorphisms (HVR I and HVR II sequences) on the skeletal remains of some old Thracian populations from SE of Romania, dating from the Bronze and Iron Age: human fossil bones of 20 individuals dating about 3200-4100 years, from the Bronze Age, belonging to some cultures such as Tei, Monteoru and Noua were found in graves from some necropoles in SE of Romania, namely in Zimnicea, Smeeni, Candesti, Cioinagi-Balintesti, Gradistea-Coslogeni and Sultana-Malu Rosu.... and the human fossil bones and teeth of 27 individuals from the early Iron Age, dating from the 10th -7th century B.C. from the Hallstatt Era (the Babadag Culture), were found extremely SE of Romania near the Black Sea coast, in some settlements from Dobrogea, namely: Jurilovca, Satu Nou, Babadag, Niculitel and Enisala-Palanca. After comparing this material with the present-day European population the authors concluded: Computing the frequency of common point mutations of the present-day European population with the Thracian population has resulted that the Italian (7.9 %), the Albanian (6.3 %) and the Greek (5.8 %) have shown a bias of closer genetic kinship with the Thracian individuals than the Romanian and Bulgarian individuals (only 4.2%).. Thracian or Dacian originAlbanians in the 5th-10th centuries according to the Dacian theory. Aside from an Illyrian origin, a Dacian or Thracian origin is also hypothesized. There are a number of factors taken as evidence for a Dacian or Thracian origin of Albanians. Schramm (1994) suggests an origin of the Albanians in the Bessoi, a Thracian tribe that was Christianized as early as during the 4th century. Schramm argues that such an early Christianization would explain the otherwise surprising virtual absence of any traces of a pre-Christian pagan religion among the Albanians as they appear in history during the Late Middle Ages. Albanian shares several hundred common words with Eastern Romance, these Eastern Romance words being part of the pre-Roman substrate and not loans; Albanian and Eastern Romance also share grammatical features (see Balkan language union) and phonological features, such as the common phonemes or the rhotacism of "n". Linguists such as Vladimir Georgiev have concluded that the phonology of the Dacian language is close to that of Albanian. He suggests that Rumanian is a fully Romanised Dacian language, whereas Albanian is only partly so. However, the degree of this closeness has been criticized and challenged by other linguists, and it is based on incomplete evidence. Cities whose names follow Albanian phonetic laws - such as Shtip (Štip), Shkupi (Skopje) and Niš - lie in the areas once inhabited by Thracians,[citation needed] Dardani, and Paionians; however, Illyrians also inhabited or may have inhabited these regions, including Naissus. Hemp for example states that Naissus may as well be considered Illyrian territory. There are some close correspondences between Thracian and Albanian words. However, as with Illyrian, most Dacian and Thracian words and names have not been closely linked with Albanian (v. Hemp). Also, many Dacian and Thracian placenames were made out of joined names (such as Dacian Sucidava or Thracian Bessapara; see List of Dacian cities and List of ancient Thracian cities), while the modern Albanian language does not allow this. There are no records that indicate a migration of Dacians into present day Albania. However, Thracian tribes such as the Bryges were present in Albania near Durrës since before the Roman conquest (v. Hemp). An argument against a Thracian origin (which does not apply to Dacian) is that most Thracian territory was on the Greek half of the Jirecek Line, aside from varied Thracian populations stretching from Thrace into Albania, passing through Paionia and Dardania and up into Moesia; it is considered that most Thracians were Hellenized in Thrace (v. Hoddinott) and Macedonia. Apart from linguistic theory that Albanian is more akin to eastern Romance (i.e. Dacian substrate) than western Roman (with Illyrian substrate- such as Dalmatian), Georgiev also notes that marine words in Albanian are borrowed from other languages, suggesting that Albanians were not originally a coastal people (as the Illyrians were). The scarcity of Greek loan words also supports a Dacian theory - if Albanians originated in the region of Illyria there would surely be a heavy Greek influence. The Dacian theory could also be consistent with the known patterns of barbarian incursions. Although there is no documentation of an Albanian migration (in fact there is no documentation of Albanians per se until the 11th century) the Morava valley region adjacent to Dacia was most heavily affected by migrations, thus making it plausible for its indigenous population to flee to, for example, the relative safety of mountainous northern Albania. ALBANIANS ARE THE MOST OLD PEOPLE OF EUROPE AND BALKANS. ALBANIANS=ILLYRIANS
BOSNIANS=SERBS MUSLIM And with this I close the discussion because talking with you is like talking with the world of dreams. ;D[/quote] Serbia, Greece, Cyprus have more E1b1b than Albanians ;D Serbs Greeks and Albanians are Family xaxaxaxaxaxaxxaxa
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Post by bosna505 on Apr 24, 2010 13:03:41 GMT -5
It gives not one Haplogroup that is most Concentradet in Albania like 50% of I2a2 in Bosnia.
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Post by insomniac on Apr 24, 2010 13:29:05 GMT -5
So please all serbs croats and albanians and all other people try to understand this, we BOSNIANS never was and never will be part of your country and history couse we are we always was and we always will stay RETARDS. Here, i fix it for ya.
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Post by vinjak on Apr 28, 2010 17:14:32 GMT -5
So please all serbs croats and albanians and all other people try to understand this, we BOSNIANS never was and never will be part of your country and history couse we are we always was and we always will stay RETARDS.
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Post by bosna505 on Apr 29, 2010 4:32:11 GMT -5
Is this all Oh Serbi and Albanians its very poor your Arguments very very Poor but we understand you its Hard to see that you life in Propagandas and Lies but its Time to Accept its Time to Open Eyes. 200%
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Post by vinjak on Apr 29, 2010 23:10:37 GMT -5
Is this all
Nah there are 4 pages of arguments..... The last post was an end to a ridiculous blabbering by a misguided lounge lizard.
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Post by bosna505 on Apr 30, 2010 4:59:52 GMT -5
Serv is this all???
Please dont Spam here with your Garbage. We know all very good what are Servs the Joke of Balkan all your Neighbourgs knows what servs are for propagandists, dreamers and liars serbian comments no one takes seriously.
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Post by bosna505 on Apr 30, 2010 5:10:18 GMT -5
Servs says they are a Holy People from the Skys and they say God is a Serv ;-))))) This all is typical servian seroiousity its the same with the servian history Jokes, Jokes and Jokes.
Search in Internet "Serbia Bankrott" ;-))))) Serbia, Greece, Ukrain the most Powerfull Staates my tax monies save your asses. Have you see the Servian President in Turkey he kiss the Ottoman King HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH Oh Servs Servs you will lich the Turkish Boot again in near Future and you will Pray to your God (satan) that come Turks and the 500 Years back.
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Post by MiG on Apr 30, 2010 12:17:30 GMT -5
Buraz, ajd mi reci nesto. Koliko imas godina?
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Post by bosna505 on Apr 30, 2010 13:24:49 GMT -5
Burazer koje tebe sta pitao znas da ti je pametnije da zacepis.
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Post by vinjak on Apr 30, 2010 15:49:29 GMT -5
Ma Mig vidis da se Mujo zajebava ovde ..pogodi ko je.
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Post by bosna505 on May 1, 2010 8:42:33 GMT -5
Vlah Argumente jesam ti rekao inace nepali taj PC.
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Post by vinjak on May 2, 2010 16:10:20 GMT -5
Hehehe sta je Mujo ? nesto si mi se ucviko.
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