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Post by shqiptars on Apr 15, 2010 22:33:21 GMT -5
Pretty much. Maybe that's why I'm not a shallow moron who's only interest is getting into new fads and destroying myself?
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Apr 17, 2010 2:46:55 GMT -5
I'm tired of retards in these forums with biggest of them all Pyrros & Parasites. ]Even Leshte is blabbing a lot lately. Shut the fak up all of you. Nobody is better than nobody in the Balkans. You're all c**ky, arrogant, egoist, backward, primitive and most of all extremely stupid beings. You like to victimize yourselves and blame problems on other people. Most importantly you want to be center of attention. It's a great feeling. Unfortunately we are not all equals in the balkans. Everybody who has visited a -Bulgarian, -Greek, -Albanian, -Serbian -car workshop -hotel -police station -tourist attraction -restaurant can say with great certainty, that Serbs are the best in the balkans, and the rest of us, should try to match with them, instead of bi tching against them 24x7. Dear Insomniac, what you suggest (we are all the same balkan sh1t, etc...) while it may sound like a basis for tighter relations and further ties, at a first glance, in reality a) is, by definition, a genuine backwards stance, totally based on illusion, over-self-estimation, and distortion of reality, in complete alignment of western balkan policy which wants semi-savage, nationalistic, delusive banana republics, with no chance of seeing beyond their noses. b) a certain guarantee, that we, the inferiors of the balkans (Greeks, Albos) will keep staying at this level for a long long time. If we really love our countries we will have to improve, and ADMIT our weak points. I AM ADMITTING SERBIA, AND GREECE's INFERIORITY AS A RESULT OF GENUINE LOVE FOR GREECE TO GET BETTER. same effect, when you kick your child's ass in order to be a better student than the neighbor's kid, instead of pointlessly badmouthing the neighbor and the neighbor's kid. Arbitrarily, putting our selves in the same league with Serbia, will only harm us. (by "us", i imply the obvious, Greeks and Albanians we have many things in common. unfortunately) (which is 100% explained by history...)
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Post by srbobran on Apr 17, 2010 10:37:20 GMT -5
Great posts by Insomniac and Vinny. In the Balkans, we are all equally shitty and quite honestly, being "better" than a country like Serbia or Albania isn't a huge achievemnt considering our economies suck and so do our standards of living. Its time to focus on fixing this and not resorting to the petty squabbles that have kept us down for so many years.
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Post by insomniac on Apr 17, 2010 10:56:28 GMT -5
Balkan countries are small. And instead of integrating together (for higher economic status). We do the opposite. Take a look at the integration of Benelux countries. There is practically no borders between them. Traveling by car from one state to the other you won't even realize you are in a different country. Whether you like it or not, it will be the same traveling from albania to kosovo and then south serbia. With all the highways being build and border bureaucracies removed.
Pyrros. greece is beautiful in its own way. What you have is an infatuation. Just like somebody may have a crush on a girl. But never talks to her, and to his mind she is perfect. It's only a crush and not love. This is where you stand. And that's why some greeks in this forum don't like you. It's pretty embarrassing to see you talk this way.
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Post by rex362 on Apr 17, 2010 11:44:49 GMT -5
--edit-- Stay on topic please. your no fun
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Post by leshte on Apr 17, 2010 11:48:48 GMT -5
Stay out man. My statement has a purpose and is not directed to those like you or intended to be answered by those like you. I want to find the limits of a couple of people here who think so low of others and so high of themselves. Sometimes provocation is the way of finding out.
Insomniac chill dude.
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Post by shqiptars on Apr 18, 2010 5:55:04 GMT -5
Balkan countries are small. And instead of integrating together (for higher economic status). We do the opposite. Take a look at the integration of Benelux countries. There is practically no borders between them. Traveling by car from one state to the other you won't even realize you are in a different country. Whether you like it or not, it will be the same traveling from albania to kosovo and then south serbia. With all the highways being build and border bureaucracies removed. Sharing a country with Shqiptars is not smart and no amount of money is going to make it smart. I have no problem with Shqiptars as long as they stay in Albania. I mean that. Whether it's Serbia or Macedonia or Greece or America or whatever, all Shqiptars do is cause problems. I understand that not all Shqiptars are bad, but most of them are. It's their mentality. Frankly, I don't give a damn about our "cultural" differences as long as they stay off my people's land.
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Post by insomniac on Apr 18, 2010 10:30:16 GMT -5
I don't think either side will accept "sharing". I'm talking about good relations.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Apr 18, 2010 11:11:29 GMT -5
Great posts by Insomniac and Vinny. In the Balkans, we are all equally s**tty and quite honestly, being "better" than a country like Serbia or Albania isn't a huge achievemnt considering our economies suck and so do our standards of living. Its time to focus on fixing this and not resorting to the petty squabbles that have kept us down for so many years. Dont confuse loans with economy. Dont confuse economy with culture. Dont confuse culture with happiness.
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Post by shqiptars on Apr 18, 2010 12:03:07 GMT -5
I don't think either side will accept "sharing". I'm talking about good relations. Human nature, dude. Every tribe is rivalled with every other tribe. They all seek to empower their family, their clan, their tribe and their species. (In that order.) Now more so than ever since the planet has become too small to fit everybody in. (Especially tribes like the Shqiptars who are constantly trying to expand their territory.) Yeah, sometimes people come together in order to enrich themselves. That proves nothing save that greed trumps pride at times.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Apr 18, 2010 13:52:08 GMT -5
Pyrros. greece is beautiful in its own way. What you have is an infatuation. Just like somebody may have a crush on a girl. But never talks to her, and to his mind she is perfect. It's only a crush and not love. This is where you stand. And that's why some greeks in this forum don't like you. It's pretty embarrassing to see you talk this way. i was explicit and verbose, yet you dont seem to get it (or you pretend you dont get it). Greeks dont like me, because i tell the truth, and the truth in balkans is a species into extinction. Anytime i have to break things down and analyze them in order to prove the obvious (which is a valid proof that few people want to listen and see the truth anyway). So, i'll break things down, one by one and see if you can follow. Lets talk about WAITERS. Greece and Albania are supposed to be tourist countries right? Well, in Greece (except Crete), NEVER, did i find a waiter who (like in Serbia, south, north, BiH, etc...) would bring the *exact* order i told him, smiling, being professional, yet not cold, being polite yet not indiscrete. NO ONE. Same thing with employees in hotels. Never did i find people like those in Serbia: Accurate, fast, precise, polite, professional. Never ever ever did i find smth equal in Greece (Crete excluded). Now, since 1991, Greece is flooded with albies, and in the many many many many occasions i came across albies, they were, professionally, the same, or WORSE than their Greek, counterparts.... Thats why, it seems SURREAL to me for someone to even think of putting Albania and Serbia in the same league. Its a fu cking blasphemy. For me, culturally the hierarchy in the balkans goes like: 1) Serbia, BiH, ex-YU then at a (not big) distance 2) Bulgaria, Crete, Cyprus then at a big distance 3) Greece then at a small distance 4) Albania So, Albania has to reach Greece, Greece has to reach Crete, and Crete has to reach Serbia. (ideally, Serbia/BiH/HR should go and reach Germany, UK, etc...) (i am talking about professionalism and seriousness not necessarily money.... here Dubai, Qatar and UAE win hands down )
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Post by insomniac on Apr 18, 2010 14:05:08 GMT -5
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Apr 18, 2010 14:21:47 GMT -5
Insomniac your arguments (or the lack of them) show me you cannot talk any more on the subject.
ALBANIA WILL SURPASS SERBIA IN PROFESSIONALISM AND EFFECTIVENESS??
ha ha ha
unfortunately, it takes 500s of years to build up a national culture and style....
sorry, but all the money of the world (which will never come anyway) will not make albania any better, just like the 350 Billion euros, just made Greece a worse country. (mentality wise)...
wake up albanian... stolen BMW's and Mercedes's dont mean wealth albanian... stupid real estate investments dont mean wealth albanian...
come to Greece and see how many stores are empty and seeking new merchants... And all this with 350 billion euro loans...
You think Albania with the exact same (or worse) mentality will do any better???
i guess some nations are doomed to be low.... (God will tell about Greece..)
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Apr 18, 2010 14:25:42 GMT -5
i pity you, if you think that you will make a culture or a mentality out of old fashioned american-type malls.... Those malls (and unfortunately i think Serbia has some bigger anyway) are just a waste of money... nothing to do with real human values like style, effectiveness, professionalism, love for one's work, dignity, pride, (values which keep the globe moving, and not of course money)...
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Post by insomniac on Apr 18, 2010 14:27:35 GMT -5
It's a 42 stories high skyscraper. The first in the Balkans.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Apr 18, 2010 14:29:44 GMT -5
i tried to help, and its not the first time that i failed...
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Post by insomniac on Apr 18, 2010 14:39:36 GMT -5
you seem to have a hard time understanding that albs are not greeks. culturally we are different. physically different. and even ideologically (we were neutral and gave preference to the "axis" countries) we have differences on top of similarities of sharing a same border.
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Post by leshte on Apr 18, 2010 18:08:35 GMT -5
I think Parasites and Pyrros are the same person. Either that or they seem to be friends with benefits. ;D. Lets just say they always seem to have each other's backs. ;D
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Post by redbaron on Apr 18, 2010 22:51:02 GMT -5
b) a certain guarantee, that we, the inferiors of the balkans (Greeks, Albos) will keep staying at this level for a long long time. Dude, your inferiority complex is more than obvious. But you don't need to pass it as a common trait of the Greeks or Albanians. The greeks in this forum have already made clear to all of us of what kind of greek they think you are. And i am pretty sure by now you know what the Albanians or for that matter Bulgarians,Croatians,Bosnians think of you. So when you use the word WE you are only talking about yourself. I don't care what made you come up with this fcked up character of Pyrros (the greek more serb than the serbs themselves, or as the say" More catholic than the pope himself") but you certainly come across as very mentally unstable in many occasions. If you haven't noticed i am letting you know that you reply to your own posts very often. The most fcked up and disgusting thing will be you being a serb that is putting down the greeks because of your own inferiority issues.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Apr 18, 2010 23:03:15 GMT -5
Serbia was good because it sucked the blood out of the other ex-YU countries. Look at how far advanced Croatia and Slovenia are now. That's also the reason why you didn't want to let go of them during the early 90s. you are a delusioned person, who just propagates b-class anti-serb articles from the 90s. The fact that heavy industry in Croatia and Slovenia was witnessed in the very first time in the 50s, (while Serbia has had heavy industry since 19th century) pretty much says it all. I pretty much think that Yugoslavia was a machine to suck out resources from Serbia to develop Croatia and Slovenia. When Slovenia and Croatia felt that it was their turn to contribute back to the federation, everybody knows how things worked out from this point on... you seem to have a hard time understanding that albs are not greeks. culturally we are different. physically different. and even ideologically (we were neutral and gave preference to the "axis" countries) we have differences on top of similarities of sharing a same border. my dad went to Albania as an employee of the Greek ministry of agriculture back in the 80s. What he saw, and the methods the "professionals" from albanianian ministry proposed and taught to the albanian farmers-workers, were unbelievably surreal. Also, my dad, being an anti-communist, *always* used the paradigm of albania, as to why communism sucked. I kept telling him, that nations do not change that easily. That it takes 100s of years to develop a mentality and a culture. He never listened. After our trip in Serbia, seeing simple uneducated farmers, knowing *ALL* and more than a professional Greek agriculturist knew, afterwards he never used that argument (the anti-communist bonbon) again. Now, why is there a difference between Greeks and Albos. Greeks still have this little virus of knowledge. Once they see, they admit. I have seen tones of Greeks like patrinos, kastorianaos, etc... (the kind of greeks who hate me), BUT I HAVE NEVER SEEN A GREEK WHO HAS BEEN TO SERBIA (even south Serbia) WHO WOULD SAY EVEN A BAD WORD ABOUT Serbia. The majority of them admired Serbia and raised pretty much the same valid points that i did. THEY JUST SAW. Albies cannot do that. However, unfortunately, other than the above, i am afraid, our vast differences stop right there. (the western policy have "designed" both of us, (since our creation 200 years ago) to be utterly pseudo nationalistic, delusional and idiotic beyond any limit.)
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