Macedonians as a fusion of Natives and Slavs

[Bozur]

The Macedonian Academy of Sciences and Arts accepts that as a whole the modern Macedonian genotype developed as a result of the absorption by the advancing Slavs of the local peoples living in the region of Macedonia prior to their coming. This position is backed by the findings of most ethnographers such as Vasil Kanchov,[37] Gustav Weigand,[38] and the anthropologist Carleton S. Coon, which state that the Slavs in 6th century actively assimilated other tribal peoples by absorbing part of the indigenous populations of the area, including Hellenes, Thracians and Illyrians.[39][40] By absorbing parts of the peoples living there the Slavs also absorbed their culture, and in that amalgamation a people was gradually formed with predominantly Slavic ethnic elements, speaking a Slavonic language and with a Slavic-Byzantine culture. Furthermore, the genetic studies support the theories that Macedonians genetic heritage is derived from a mixture of ancient Balkan peoples[41] as well as the relatively newly arrived Slavs with deep European roots.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedonians_%28ethnic_group%29#Origins


Areas inhabited by Macedonians in 1897 (Pallas Nagy Lexikon):



Macedonians in the Republic of Macedonia, according to the 2002 census.


Concentration of Macedonians in Serbia


Areas with presence of Slavic speakers (Macedonian is shown in
pink) in Greece, along with other minority language communities.


Macedonian girls in traditional costumes.

[Bozur]

Greater 'Macedonia'

The region of Macedonia as perceived by ethnic Macedonian irredentists. Some ethnic Macedonian nationalists, including at official level have expressed irredentist claims to what they refer to as "Aegean Macedonia" (Greece), "Pirin Macedonia" (Bulgaria), "Mala Prespa and Golo Brdo" (Albania), and "Gora and Prohor Pchinski" (Serbia) despite the fact that ethnic Greeks, Bulgarians, Albanians and Serbs form the majority of the population of each region respectively. These fringe groups have received no official encouragement from the government of the Republic of Macedonia since 1995 when they agreed to remove all territorial claims to neighbouring countries' territories from their constitution, but the United Macedonia concept is still found among official sources in the Republic, and taught in schools through school textbooks and other government-sponsored publications.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Macedonia

[branislavnusic]

Apr 28, 2010 13:31:08 GMT -5 Bozur said:

The Macedonian Academy of Sciences and Arts accepts that as a whole the modern Macedonian genotype developed as a result of the absorption by the advancing Slavs of the local peoples living in the region of Macedonia prior to their coming. This position is backed by the findings of most ethnographers such as Vasil Kanchov,[37] Gustav Weigand,[38] and the anthropologist Carleton S. Coon, which state that the Slavs in 6th century actively assimilated other tribal peoples by absorbing part of the indigenous populations of the area, including Hellenes, Thracians and Illyrians.[39][40] By absorbing parts of the peoples living there the Slavs also absorbed their culture, and in that amalgamation a people was gradually formed with predominantly Slavic ethnic elements, speaking a Slavonic language and with a Slavic-Byzantine culture. Furthermore, the genetic studies support the theories that Macedonians genetic heritage is derived from a mixture of ancient Balkan peoples[41] as well as the relatively newly arrived Slavs with deep European roots.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedonians_%28ethnic_group%29#Origins


Areas inhabited by Macedonians in 1897 (Pallas Nagy Lexikon):



Macedonians in the Republic of Macedonia, according to the 2002 census.


Concentration of Macedonians in Serbia


Areas with presence of Slavic speakers (Macedonian is shown in
pink) in Greece, along with other minority language communities.


Macedonian girls in traditional costumes.

They still have no claim to Alexander the great, Greeks are linguistic and genetic descendants of the ancient macedonians.

[Sokol]

Y-DNA of ethnic Macedonians is mostly of native origin. We are however linguistically Slavic, and culturally Balkan-Slavic. So it is correct to say Macedonians are a fusion of natives and Slavs.

[branislavnusic]

Jul 18, 2018 1:11:47 GMT -5 Sokol said:

Y-DNA of ethnic Macedonians is mostly of native origin. We are however linguistically Slavic, and culturally Balkan-Slavic. So it is correct to say Macedonians are a fusion of natives and Slavs.

Yes all south slavs have lots of native blood but today your country is stituated above ancient paeonia rather than macedonia.

[Sokol]

Jul 18, 2018 1:29:00 GMT -5 branislavnusic said:

Jul 18, 2018 1:11:47 GMT -5 Sokol said:

Y-DNA of ethnic Macedonians is mostly of native origin. We are however linguistically Slavic, and culturally Balkan-Slavic. So it is correct to say Macedonians are a fusion of natives and Slavs.

Yes all south slavs have lots of native blood but today your country is stituated above ancient paeonia rather than
macedonia.

[branislavnusic]

Jul 18, 2018 1:39:50 GMT -5 Sokol said:

Jul 18, 2018 1:29:00 GMT -5 branislavnusic said:

Yes all south slavs have lots of native blood but today your country is stituated above ancient paeonia rather than
macedonia.

what does this say ?

[Sokol]

100% of R Macedonia is located in the geographic region of Macedonia and part of ancient Macedonia is located in R Macedonia. Pretty clear really.

In any case, we are North Macedonia these days.

[branislavnusic]

Jul 18, 2018 2:18:22 GMT -5 Sokol said:

100% of R Macedonia is located in the geographic region of Macedonia and part of ancient Macedonia is located in R Macedonia. Pretty clear really.

In any case, we are North Macedonia these days.

[Deleted]

Jul 18, 2018 1:11:47 GMT -5 Sokol said:

Y-DNA of ethnic Macedonians is mostly of native origin. We are however linguistically Slavic, and culturally Balkan-Slavic. So it is correct to say Macedonians are a fusion of natives and Slavs.

The prevailing Y-DNA haplogroup I is native European, but not native to Balkan. Bronze age Balkan cultures (ancient Greeks, Illyrians, Macedonians etc) are made from people who came from Middle East, they were not Indo-Europeans.

[Pyrros]

ancient Greeks were a division of the GREAT SLAVS.

The ancient Greek language is SO CLOSE to slavic. LATIN IS EVEN CLOSER.

BUT OTOH Indian language it seems is even closer.

[branislavnusic]

Jul 18, 2018 4:27:32 GMT -5 Pyrros said:

ancient Greeks were a division of the GREAT SLAVS.

The ancient Greek language is SO CLOSE to slavic. LATIN IS EVEN CLOSER.

BUT OTOH Indian language it seems is even closer.

Greek isn't close, Indian though and look at their symbols and religion! Hinduism is the same as Slavic paganism

[Pyrros]

Greek is close man. Verbs are close. Closure is close. Believe me.

example :

Trcim

Trcis

Trci

Trcimo

Trecite

Trce

Treho

Trehis

Trehi

Trehome

Trehete

Trehoun

its so funking close..... and many many many many others BASIC words..

ZWI = Zivot

Zyna = Zena

Doro = dar

Tesera = Cetiri

etc etc

Ancient Greeks = children of the great Slavs

[Sokol]

Jul 18, 2018 2:36:44 GMT -5 branislavnusic said:

Jul 18, 2018 2:18:22 GMT -5 Sokol said:

100% of R Macedonia is located in the geographic region of Macedonia and part of ancient Macedonia is located in R Macedonia. Pretty clear really.

In any case, we are North Macedonia these days.

Source: Albanopedia.....lol


Here's another map.

Map of English cartographer Robert Wilkinson from 1797 from his "Atlas Classica".

[Sokol]

Jul 18, 2018 3:07:20 GMT -5 @ulf said:

Jul 18, 2018 1:11:47 GMT -5 Sokol said:

Y-DNA of ethnic Macedonians is mostly of native origin. We are however linguistically Slavic, and culturally Balkan-Slavic. So it is correct to say Macedonians are a fusion of natives and Slavs.

The prevailing Y-DNA haplogroup I is native European, but not native to Balkan. Bronze age Balkan cultures (ancient Greeks, Illyrians, Macedonians etc) are made from people who came from Middle East, they were not Indo-Europeans.

Y-DNA of ethnic Macedonians is roughly as follows;

I = 30%
E = 25%
R = 25%
J = 15%

So there is no clear winner here. Further north in ex-YU, I HG prevails peaking at over 50% in Bosnia for example. In Macedonia, we are more mixed, with Slavic R1a only about 12%. Those bronze age cultures have left a far greater DNA footprint in modern Macedonians than northern or eastern Europeans have. This is also prevalent in the phenotypes of modern Macedonians, who are mostly of Med types (Pontids, Dinarids, East Meds etc). Slavic Baltids and East Nordids are a minority in Macedonia.

[branislavnusic]

Jul 18, 2018 19:06:04 GMT -5 Sokol said:

Jul 18, 2018 2:36:44 GMT -5 branislavnusic said:

Source: Albanopedia.....lol


Here's another map.

Map of English cartographer Robert Wilkinson from 1797 from his "Atlas Classica".

That map is so inaccurate, Illyria never went east into the rhodopes mountains 

[branislavnusic]

Jul 18, 2018 11:38:09 GMT -5 Pyrros said:

Greek is close man. Verbs are close. Closure is close. Believe me.

example :

Trcim

Trcis

Trci

Trcimo

Trecite

Trce

Treho

Trehis

Trehi

Trehome

Trehete

Trehoun

its so funking close..... and many many many many others BASIC words..

ZWI = Zivot

Zyna = Zena

Doro = dar

Tesera = Cetiri

etc etc

Ancient Greeks = children of the great Slavs

When I go to Greece I can only understand the words I've learnt, not much more.

[Pyrros]

ancient greek was much closer.

[Sokol]

Jul 19, 2018 1:00:31 GMT -5 branislavnusic said:

Jul 18, 2018 19:06:04 GMT -5 Sokol said:

Source: Albanopedia.....lol


Here's another map.

Map of English cartographer Robert Wilkinson from 1797 from his "Atlas Classica".

That map is so inaccurate, Illyria never went east into the rhodopes mountains 

so many maps





PS. I am from the area Heracleia Lyncou


Paeonia was absorbed into Macedonia by the reign of Phillip II

The Macedonian Royal House was thrown into a state of uncertainty by the death of Perdiccas III, but his brother Philip II assumed the throne, reformed the army (providing phalanxes), and proceeded to stop both the Illyrian invasion and the Paeonian raids through the boundary of the "Macedonian Frontier", which was the northern perimeter which he intended to defend as an area of his domain. He followed Perdiccas's success in 358 BC with a campaign deep into the north, into Paeonia itself.[26][27][28][29][30][31] This reduced the Paeonian kingdom (then ruled by Agis) to a semi-autonomous, subordinate status, which led to a process of gradual and formal Hellenization of the Paeonians, who, during the reign of Philip II, began to issue coins with Greek legends like the Macedonian ones. A Paeonian contingent, led by Ariston, was attached to Alexander the Great's army.

[branislavnusic]

Jul 19, 2018 1:47:58 GMT -5 Sokol said:

Jul 19, 2018 1:00:31 GMT -5 branislavnusic said:

That map is so inaccurate, Illyria never went east into the rhodopes mountains 

so many maps





PS. I am from the area Heracleia Lyncou


Paeonia was absorbed into Macedonia by the reign of Phillip II

The Macedonian Royal House was thrown into a state of uncertainty by the death of Perdiccas III, but his brother Philip II assumed the throne, reformed the army (providing phalanxes), and proceeded to stop both the Illyrian invasion and the Paeonian raids through the boundary of the "Macedonian Frontier", which was the northern perimeter which he intended to defend as an area of his domain. He followed Perdiccas's success in 358 BC with a campaign deep into the north, into Paeonia itself.[26][27][28][29][30][31] This reduced the Paeonian kingdom (then ruled by Agis) to a semi-autonomous, subordinate status, which led to a process of gradual and formal Hellenization of the Paeonians, who, during the reign of Philip II, began to issue coins with Greek legends like the Macedonian ones. A Paeonian contingent, led by Ariston, was attached to Alexander the Great's army.

Hellenized or not today your country is located above ancient paeonia and where the hellenized Paeonians lived