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Post by superman on Nov 16, 2007 17:24:42 GMT -5
Here in this thread I would like to open a discussion with you all and especially Oscar about Secui people. He will bring proofs for what he supports.
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Post by superman on Nov 16, 2007 17:27:27 GMT -5
First issue:
1. Name.
Since the name used by all people in the world is different from "Magyars" it means it's about a different nation. Secui people are of different nation.
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Post by yeni on Nov 16, 2007 18:00:55 GMT -5
a) in all the Romanian censuses they declared themself Magyar b) they speak Hungarian and there is no proof for that they ever spoke a different language in the past c) in all the Romanian elections they voted for the Hungarian party d) see the homepage of the Szekely National Council www.sznt.ro/EXPUNERE DE MOTIVE Secuimea, populaþia autohtonã cu identitate naþionalã maghiarã, majoritarã în Þinutul Secuiesc, revendicã autonomia teritorialã a acestei regiuni în conformitate cu prevederile documentelor internaþionale ºi cu practica în acest domeniu din statele Uniunii Europene.
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Post by humbleman on Nov 16, 2007 18:04:21 GMT -5
Yes Bonny is making a fool of himself (as usual). Most people know that Szekely are Hungarian and recognise themselves as such, though there are Szekely that do see Romania as their country, and there are some that see themselves as separate from Hungarians, though they are probably not that many.
But as for autonomy, that is another issue.
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Post by superman on Nov 17, 2007 1:37:33 GMT -5
@ reply to Yeni:
a) in Romanian censuses there are two names: Magyars and Secui, thus two different ethnicities. I bet to the future one, the majority of Secui people (around 850,000) will say this time are Secui people.
b) Secui language as the name is a different language (not even a dialect of Secui people). Secui people used to speek a language different from Magyar nyelv. This is one of the main reason for hatred between Magyars and Secui: Secui people think that Magyars imposed Hungarian whilst they destroyed their own ancient language. See also Secui runne...Magyar language has no runne... so Yenni...there are enough sources to proove.....
c) wrong, now they created a political structure that will compete with UDMR and now it's very clear that Hungarian-speaking Romanians minority is divided into 2 parts.
d) that page was written in standard Hungarian not Secui language.
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Post by yeni on Nov 17, 2007 5:31:43 GMT -5
a) but in the Romanian censuses they declared themselves Magyar. You can bet, we will see next census in 2012 but until then you have to accept that they are Magyar. b)so can you show me Szekely language texts? not so long ago Romanians used Cyrillic script, actually Moldovans still use it, is it a different language and different ethnicity? c) yeah but you know the name of the other Hungarian political formation? Magyar Polgári Szövetség/ Hungarian Civic Alliance www.polgariszovetseg.ro/hun.htm So they also consider themself Magyar, sorry. d)Actually that part i quoted is in Romanian, you don't understand what is written there? Secuimea, populaþia autohtonã cu identitate naþionalã maghiarã
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Post by wbb on Nov 17, 2007 5:44:55 GMT -5
a Funarnak a budos kurva anya azt hogy a szekely ez masz nemzet, szekely olyan magyarul beszel hogy ez a legy oregeb magyar basz meg, szekely 100%ban nem mondanak csajat magat hogy roman, kutya fasza, es meg hallod eleg tobbszor hogy a szekely azt mondanak hogy "csak a szekely az igazi magyar, a tobbi mar le vannak mar szarva", Bonni ezt holladtam mar eleg tobbszor mikor mikor talakostam a szekelylekkel. ne mondjal nekem hogy ez nem igaz mert te tudod nagyan jo hogy milyen a szekely neppek, szekely neppek ez mindig magyarba nolszulnak meg, nem mint a tobbi nyugat magyar akit ciganyhoz vagy roman, vagy szerb vagy mit tudom mit akit mar kevereznek.
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Post by humbleman on Nov 17, 2007 5:49:37 GMT -5
Come on superman: you're on a loser here. Just give up!
Would you like me to make an apology on your behalf to the Hungarians, or are you going to do it yourself?
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Post by superman on Nov 17, 2007 9:12:16 GMT -5
Anittas shut up....
wbb it's not nice as you said, I'm not gypsy because I'm secui ;D are Secui gypsies? perhaps....but in this case there are less magyars and Secui in Romania....
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Post by superman on Nov 17, 2007 9:14:00 GMT -5
2. issue religion
Secui people has other religion as Hungarian-speaking Romanians.
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Post by yeni on Nov 17, 2007 9:33:19 GMT -5
what other religion? The roman catholic or the calvinist/reformed protestant religion? both are very common among Hungarians outside Székelyföld too.
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Post by humbleman on Nov 17, 2007 10:51:54 GMT -5
Superman:
What will take for you to become a humble person.
To the Hungarians:
I cannot apologise enough for superman's behaviour, and yes I do feel ashamed, even though I am not personally responsible for it.
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Post by superman on Nov 17, 2007 11:53:46 GMT -5
Anittas, shut up dude!
Yenni, you know that one is another very important difference between you.
So, you have two names for different ethinic nations then you have also differences of religion.
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Post by yeni on Nov 17, 2007 12:11:22 GMT -5
Yenni, you that one is another very important difference between you. que? what different religion the Szekelys have? you didn't answer my question. In Hungary most Hungarians are roman catholic or calvinist, the same is in Székelyföld. So what difference? by the way, we are not South Slavs, so religion do not determine ethnicity.
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Post by superman on Nov 17, 2007 12:48:33 GMT -5
_know_
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Post by superman on Nov 17, 2007 12:54:53 GMT -5
in this case it does, why would they have a different language? a different name? a different history and have different physical charactersitics? we say also "sãcui" to secui.. secui had a turkish language, because they at origin are of turkish heritage, that in case you didn't knew this...so don't tell me secui are hungarians, because they are not. And the origin of the name only secui people like me knows it comes from the old population of saka, and secui people used a runic type of writing very strongly related to the old turkish Orhon.
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Post by yeni on Nov 17, 2007 13:28:19 GMT -5
what different language? show me any text in "Székely" language. Not only i tell you that the Szekelys are Hungarian, but also the Romanian census. The origin of the Szekelys is a totally different issue, it isn't known who were they originally (1000 years ago+), if they were a group of Hungarians who arrived earlier to the Carpathian basin, or remains of Huns or Bulgars or Avars or related to the Eskils or simply Hungarian border guards. but now they are Magyars and they always spoke Hungarian in their known history. yes and they wrote Hungarian texts with that runic type of writing. www.omniglot.com/writing/hungarian_runes.htmHungarian Runes Origin Hungarian runes (Székely Rovásírás) are are thought to have descended from the Turkic script (Kök Turki) used in Central Asia, though some scholars believe the Hungarian runes pre-date the Turkic script. They were used by the Székler Magyars in Hungary before István, the first Christian king of Hungary, ordered all pre-Christian writings to be destroyed. In remote parts of Transylvania however, the runes were still used up until the 1850s.
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Post by averil on Nov 18, 2007 13:25:12 GMT -5
in this case it does, why would they have a different language? a different name? a different history and have different physical charactersitics? They don't... and with that, I believe the discussion can be closed. Btw, why does it bother you that the majority of Székelys consider themselves Hungarians? Do you feel better if there are less Hungarians? Just curious.
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