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Post by szorostalpu1 on Feb 8, 2009 21:38:11 GMT -5
During the Hungarian Liberation Fight of 1848, the Rumanian population of Transylvania sided the Habsburgs and turned against the first nation Hungarians. Since November 1848, while Hungary was fighting her life-and-death battle for independence, terrorist Rumanian troops, lead by Axente Sever, Avram Iancu, Prodán Probu, were going on killing sprees in Transylvania, also in Nagyenyed. On January 8, 1849, after they forced the terrified Hungarian population to sign the statement of loyalty to the Habsburg throne, they killed 800 innocent civilian Hungarians. The Rumanian attackers ousted the rest of the Hungarians to the cold empty fields, in the clothes they had just on, and continued to devastate Nagyenyed until November 11. They looted and burned the Bethlen College, too, and took a great care to destroy only the precious, old documents revealing the history of the Hungarians in Transylvania. Apparently, they had the expertise, since Axente Sever studied theology and Avram Iancu was a lawyer, they were not just a simple mob. (It is worth to mention that, to "honour their achievements", Axente Sever and Avram Iancu received prizes, such as the Golden Cross from the Habsburg emperor, and the Saint Anna Cross from Michael, the Russian tzar. But it did not take them long to turn against their Austrian lords, either. In a short while, the Habsburg authorities arrested both of them, Avram Iancu was physically assaulted seriously, but later both released. Later, Avram Iancu went insane, and he was seen for years wandering aimlessly in the Rumanian mountains blowing a recorder. Axente Sever died as a quiet retired pensioner in Brassó). On the wall, right to the entrance of the fortress of Nagyenyed, a small plaque remembers the 800 slaughtered innocent Hungarians who are buried under this plaque.
Articles: Images of Transylvania, Part II - Historical Text Archive
1918......The Conference from which the treaty of Trianon resulted was a base comedy. The honest men who imagine that the plenipotentiaries weighed in anguish the pros and cons of the arguments and decided only with proofs in hand, are deluding themselves with childish illusions.
The American Secretary of State, Robert Lansing, abandoned the Trianon Conference, disgusted by what he saw. He wrote subsequently: * "Everybody seemed to talk in whispers and never to say anything worth while except in confidence. The open sessions of the Conference were arranged beforehand. They were formal and perfunctory. The agreements and bargains were made behind closed doors."
* Robert Lansing: The Peace Negotiations, London, 1921.
Mr. Lansing adds that President Wilson relied largely upon the opinions of Colonel House. What House wished, the President wished also. Let us trace the matter further. Wickham Steed revealed in his Memoirs that Colonel House did nothing without consulting him, and that he, Steed gave him no advice without previously hearing Mazaryk and Benes, chiefs of the Czech delegation. Thus did Mazaryk and Benes practically control the decisions of the Conference which disposed of Hungary's carcass. The Czechs profited voraciously by this exceptional situation as did also their Roumanian and Serbian associates.
1989.....By the time of the Romanian revolution of 1989 Süto was a widely known public figure, representing the large Hungarian community in Romania. In March 1990 at the time of the riots in Tirgu-Mures he was beaten so badly by a Romanian chauvinist mob that he lost the sight in one eye. He wrote up this experience in the part-diary reminiscences of Szemet szóért ("Eye for a Word", 1993).
yeah, so I'm an extremist lol, The reason no other Hungarians disassociate themselves with me is because I speak the truth, unlike you 'mr. catcher in the rye'
"All countries have hooligans."
some more than others
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Post by lvl100 on Feb 9, 2009 5:41:09 GMT -5
Now all this kind of "history" have always 3 parts. First part- The chosen people tell us about an galactic ancient nation who made a country like heaven where the different ethnicities were singing together hand in hand. This is the part when the "morally righteous Hungarians versus Stupid barbarians" connections are established. Lets see the evidence: and turned against the first nation Hungarians. The first nation ? What the fuck means "first nation" ? Moreover, what "first nation" means in a 70% Romanian-Saxon population right in the middle of national liberation and determination century ? (exhibit 1)Those "terrorists" were Romanians and Saxons who made up 70% of the total population. Actually, going after the dictionary definition, you were the terrorists, as a small minority trying to impose their beliefs on a larger majority. Funny how this is overlooked in your fancy texts. (exhibit 2) While Hungarian soldiers fought by throwing flowers at their enemies (exhibit 3)Second part - world wide tragedy
Because you see , my dear reader, a realistic analysis of the extremely complex causes of Trianon treaty doesnt match too good with the idea of the purity and moral rightfulness of Hungarian extremists, they prefer to keep it as simple its possible : Something like :the entire world wept for Hungarian cause, but all those empires and superpowers were totally powerless against a french diplomat a romanian diplomat To prove that, we are treated with always the same 4 or 5 political quotes, when we find out that the president Willson had his heart broken and he committed even a suicide attempt because he didnt stand the idea that a pocket size empire , somewhere at 100000 km away from his own country, lost some territories. Those are clearly political speaches and hypocrisy of most of these statements is obvious. Wilson wasn't some Human rights activist, WW1 coincide with the dissapearing of the American isolationism and beginning of the American imperialist expansion. His words are about so sincere as the political declaration of today`s politicians , crying a river for the massacres in Darfur, but nobody raising not even 1 finger to do something about it. But hey, if that helps to the self-victimization and image of the martyrdom , why not put the quotes there ? And , every , and i real mean it, every article must end with the Part tree - The terror sufferings by Hungarians in today Romania - if once in every 5 years some fight between a Hungarian and Romanian occur that's imedialtey translates in : Hungarians are beaten up every day in Transylvania - if from 1000 of bilingual plates one is smirched ( not destroyed, just smirched) by some shithead , suddenly its all about Romanian national chauvinism who wants to destroy the Hungarians - The Targu Mures episode its no different regarding biased interpretations 1) this is "one time" incident who never repeated since then and who took place in a very tormented and unstable times of 1989 2)conveniently, the Romanian victims are always forgoten 3)the conflict was extremely short lived , that actually showing that, even they losed their heads for a second, the Romanian-Hungarian cohabitation its mature enough not to degenerate in nationalists fights like in former yugoslavia. But nevertheless, this doesnt stop extremist Hungarian propaganda to present then as a usual treatment of Hungarians in Romania. Of course just look it up on google about Hungarians football supporters making huge scandals in Slovakia.
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Post by szorostalpu1 on Feb 9, 2009 6:32:56 GMT -5
"The first nation ? What the f**k means "first nation" ?
Stupid dipshit, does everything have to be remedially explained to you?
Transylvania...as part of Hungary was our nation...you romanians were the terrorist minority within it. How you ally yourselves with the saxons...the same saxons you sold back to Germany in true gypsy fashion 100 yrs. later
lol...I supply quotes, while you supply "shit". I show attrocities committed againt Hungarians in response to the claims by the gypsy clown catcher, while you show nothing. I see no references or sources just, pathetic counter arguments and explanations. I sourced an article on how you romanians destroy Hungarian graves and all you can say is "no autonomy for szekelyfold" hahahahaha what a loser you are
"conveniently, the Romanian victims are always forgoten"
aggressors are not "victoms"
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Post by Catcher in the Rye on Feb 9, 2009 6:51:44 GMT -5
EDITED. [glow=red,2,300]Not interested in your stupid Neo-Nazi Romanian fabricated propaganda, it's even written in Romanian anyway.[/glow]
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Post by lvl100 on Feb 9, 2009 7:41:20 GMT -5
Google has that neat little feature for simple and automat translations from Romanian to English of entire sites or just pieces texts . Use it !
Also if you have something againt Anittas , he opened already a dozen of shitty topics where you can attack him easily, there is no need here.
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Post by lvl100 on Feb 9, 2009 9:39:08 GMT -5
Stupid dips**t, does everything have to be remedially explained to you? It was only a rhetoric question. The answer is also in the second questions. But mea culpa anyway , i always forget that i must keep it as simple as possible in order not to hurt your intellect. Since we didnt claim Budapest or Slovakia, or Voievodina, how many Hungarians were there is not my concern. Its only about a specific region, with 70% Romanians & Saxons and 30% Hungarians. You creamed your pants when the right of self determination made Kosovo`s independence a reality , but suddenly that doesnt apply to Transylvania. Hypocrites. You didnt prove nothing. There are exactly the same 4 or 5 texts that i have read on the last 10 years. Every time are almost the same arguments about Targu-mures and a bilingual plate tainted with ink . I know that a Romania who is praised by the European commisions for its minority treatment and a Romania where even the "biggest" extremist party has 2% doesnt fit to well with your sleazy propaganda. But popping the same old tired arguments about some plate tainted with ink , wont convince anyone. Oh, BTW, you should check your own press. The part when Hungarian president acknowledges that Romania respect its minorities. Those who gave to Romanians so many wonderful times since Unio Trium Nationum `till Ip and Traznea , should have the decency to STFU when speaking about morality. Says who ? YOU ? How about presenting the whole version , with both parts versions, with all the victims etc , and let the reader decide who is aggressor and who is the victim. ? But nooo, its better when we present only how much the poor Suto suffered. Typical extremist biased self-victimization propaganda.
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Post by Catcher in the Rye on Feb 9, 2009 9:47:06 GMT -5
Google has that neat little feature for simple and automat translations from Romanian to English of entire sites or just pieces texts . Use it ! I don't want to waist the barley on geese. It's just that when i see the descendants of those savage criminals accusing us of crimes, those traitors who bite the hand of the Austrians who freed them from the Turks and civilised them.
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Post by szorostalpu1 on Feb 10, 2009 16:45:36 GMT -5
"over 40000 Romanians murdered includind 100 Romanian priests and over 300 Romanian villages burned and destroied."
hahahahaha....and your source is "istoriatransilvaniei.ro/vol1" which is about as good as...'Constantiniu, Florin. "O istorie sincerã a poporului român" (An honest history of the Romanian people), or in other words..."O istorie necinstit a poporului român.
Try finding some unbiased sources you frustrated gypsy clowns.
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Post by szorostalpu1 on Feb 10, 2009 22:01:31 GMT -5
repost in this thread because the olah will surely delete it in their forum.
Targu-Mures is an old Szekler town with a strong tradition of University education and intellectual life. Between 1948 and 1959, it was the capital of the Hungarian Autonomous Region. Like most Transylvanian towns, the ethnic make-up of Targu-Mures was mostly Hungarian. During the period of autonomy, the Hungarian population constituted around 80% of the city’s inhabitants. During the 70’s it dropped to 70%. From that moment on, the ethnic proportion-change program ran in a straight line. Moldavian workers were brought to work in newly built factories. Doctors, professors, and other categories of the Hungarian social elite were appointed as far as possible in other Romanian provinces but never in Targu-Mures. In 1989, the percentage of Romanians and Hungarians in the city was almost equal. After the revolution, a map was found at the Party’s County Commission headquarters. The map showed details of yearly Romanian migration measures for the further change of ethnic proportions. It was the first solid proof of the program for the systematical intensification of Romanian ethnic dominance upheld by the National-Communist State under the Ceausescu regime.
On March 17th (1990) Smaranda Enache went to the Romanian and Hungarian Intellectuals Meeting held in Budapest. On March 19th the violence started in Targu Mures. Hungarian and Romanian groups (the latter brought by Administration buses from villages in the Apuseni mountains, armed with clubs they had crafted a few days beforehand), confronted each other in the central square. Five people died and hundreds of Romanians and Hungarians were hurt. The writer Suto Andras lost an eye.
The trouble in Targu Mures took place from March 19 till March 21. At the end of March, SRI (the Romanian Information Service) was founded. The Decree founding the SRI, issued by the Council’s Bureau for National Unity was illegal, as it had not been voted by the CPUN (Provisional Council for National Unity). The campaign of a certain part of the media added more proof that the violence in Targu-Mures was arranged by Ion Iliescu’s men in order to justify the founding of the SRI . This came three months after Nicolae Ceausescu’s Securitate was disbanded, following the December 1989 Revolution .
Pages From the Romanian – Hungarian Reconciliation: 1989-1999. The Role of Civic Organizations by Gabriel Andreescu
now we see who the lying savages are.....
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Post by Catcher in the Rye on Feb 11, 2009 4:13:36 GMT -5
I wouldn't call a few decades of existence a strong tradition.
Like most Transylvanian towns, untill 1800 the inhabitants were mostly if not exclusivelly German.
And a could go on and on but i have better things to do. Fact is for what happened in Targu Mures in 1990, the animalic Hungarians are the ones to blame.
Many minorities asked for rights after the fall af the communist regime in all the eastern block, some minorities were very opressed, some still are, like the Romanians in Serbia. Yet none of those minorities did what you animals did in 1990, going on the streets to kill. You are not the only minority in Romanian, all will agree that they are protected and respected. In fact if you ask any member of the minorities about the Hungarians minority don't be surprised if they will put your animalic ethnicity to shame.
BTW in Romania there are many guys that aspire to be called intelectuals although they don't have the qualities for beeing called such. Hopefully for them, the fundation Soros is there to support them, of course if they suck mongoloid dickes. At least they are well payed, of course none take serious the oppinions of such notorious whores.
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Post by lvl100 on Feb 11, 2009 4:27:54 GMT -5
Hah , still clinging on the same story , trying to prove your shitty points . Its the classical type of propaganda , keeping only some half truths, leaving totally aside the socio-political context. Which can been seen from the beggining with the same pathetic texts like " hungarians were 80% in TG-Mures ( just forget the millions of Romanian kept as "tolerati" right near that city) blah blah blah
Anyway , from
Elöd KINCSES "Black March in Targu Mures" 2001
people from around Ion Iliescu, led by Virgil Magureanu, have been involved in this scenario. I still hold that they have not done it in virtue of their official status, even if they used the full resources of the state. But they acted like conspirator who's hunting not only Hungarian but also Romanian democracy. Their plot was against all, the Hungarians soon as representing a meaning.
So your overused example is happening in a time of chaos, a time when the Revolution wasnt really yet over , and when the battle between former communists and new democacy was still on. Very relevant example.
on January 18 it was decided to transform the school "-Bolyai Farkas" in Hungarian school only, since the second quarter of the school year; of January 19, Kincses take to Ion Iliescu's personal memoir of a Szeklers
So the country was still burning, But Hungarians decided without the support of the law to transform highschools in "hungarian only" and make pressures about Szeckelers and stuff. Oh boy, Hungarians had it coming.
I would not interpret the violence in Tirgu Mures done as a pogrom against Hungarians Romanians....Confrontation took place between the compact groups of Romanians and Hungarians, somewhat equal, as are, in fact, the proportions of the city. So it was not even a "lynching" of poor Suto how propaganda tries to portrait.
So in the end, everyone had their share of guilt. Romanians becouse they were to easy influenced by former leaders of Securitate trying to regain their powers after Ceausescu`s fall. Hungarians because didn't understand the possible consequences of their demands and actions ( who otherwise are correct, and they were addressed later in a proper manner) in a chaotic country where Ceausescu`s legacy was still present.
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Post by szorostalpu1 on Feb 11, 2009 6:23:44 GMT -5
"Oh now we had it coming"...your defenses and denials are hilarious. You'd deny your own mother if you'd have one. Everything that cast you gypsies in a bad light is "propaganda" Maybe your own authors like "andreescu" should stop printing such lies. Nothing like changing the subject again, from street battles to schools lol. you're a loser
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Post by lvl100 on Feb 11, 2009 7:29:55 GMT -5
You'd deny your own mother if you'd have one. My post was objective enough to admit Romanian`s part of guilt.(moreover i even quiote it from a Hungarian author) Something that i didnt seen in any of your posts "about galactic noble Hungarians" AND That school was part of the problem, as was mentioned by the Hungarian Elöd KINCSES in his book "Black March in Targu Mures". So your the only one trying to negate it, as it doesnt fit 100% with your propaganda, but with an objective point of view. So what did you just said about gypsies and bad light ? All my previous quotes were based not on a Romanian, but on Elöd KINCSES `s book. What are you going to do now, call it stupid ? Like wbb called stupid even a propaganda Hungarian site because it has 1 tinny little thing that he didn't liked ?
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Post by szorostalpu1 on Feb 11, 2009 15:54:11 GMT -5
What guilt on the Hungarians part?....because we want our schools back? lol...our city back(Marosvasarhely) from you infiltrating gypsies. You gypsy bastards were given everything of ours, cities, our schools our churches our monuments that you deface and you dare to say we are "guilty". We didn't make weapons beforehand like you cowards...get out of our country. Your presence sicken every Magyar, we'll never forget and we will eventually get autonomy. Yeah, these dates are very important....they show and I've shown what type of people the romanians are.
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Post by wbb on Feb 12, 2009 1:04:11 GMT -5
and what is that, Mr Smart arse?
Give back our autonomy in Szekelyisztan or else we take it by force, this time Romania will surrender same how USA will surrender in Iraq and Afghanistan. Oh yes the ink on the multi-lingual sign means nothing but bashing and killing Hungarians and damaging anything that has something to do with the word "Magyar" does mean something.
Romanians have to respect that Hungarians also live in Transylvania or else they can pack and leave, go to Bulgaria or go to Moldova or go to Ukraine, i dont care, not my problem but leave those Hungarians alone, u want to aim at someone? aim at the gypsies, they are more problem than Hungarians.
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Post by lvl100 on Feb 12, 2009 2:37:54 GMT -5
lol...our city back(Marosvasarhely) from you infiltrating gypsies. You gypsy bastards were given everything of ours, cities, our schools our churches our monuments that you deface and you dare to say we are "guilty" Thats a funny and always present contradiction in hungarian propaganda. They all love to talk about "multiculturalism" of Transylvania, but then its all about the "hungarian cities" and "hungarian buildings" Those cities were build by the millions of Romanian serfs and tolerati. If you wouldn oppressed a nation for hundreds of hundreds of years, you wouldnt were more than 30% in those cities. Romanians conquered Budapest again and i didnt heard ? Classical extremist speech. Fortunately those like you are a dying breed. By cross-posting the same text in like 3 or 4 different topics. ?(The text about Tg-Mures) Thats considered trolling by 90% of the internet forums.
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Post by lvl100 on Feb 12, 2009 2:39:55 GMT -5
and what is that, Mr Smart arse? Already forgot about YOU considering "dumb Hungarians" those who made hungarian-history.hu because , they mentioned about Transylvanian Memorandum Priceless. This is why szorostlpu1a will never be so funny like you. And i mean it as a compliment. The illogical and inarticulate but very creative in the same time, mix of of Allah, olives , Hungarians, fig trees, muslims, Romanians, Afganistan , guerilla fight, etc always make my day. Have you read those Geocities sites about Trianon again ? And this is what we do. ROmania has the less ethnic problems by far as admitted by Hungarians and international community too. You should look in Slovakia or Voievodina , there are the real problems.
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Post by szorostalpu1 on Feb 12, 2009 17:01:27 GMT -5
"They all love to talk about "multiculturalism" of Transylvania,"
Actually its you gypsies that always bring up the subject....fuck multiculturalism, its your way of justifying the "presents" given to you at Trianon. Why do you think We want autonomy? So that we can finally get your gypsy asses out.
"Those cities were build by the millions of Romanian serfs and tolerati."
Sure they were....source??? lol you vlachs couldn't build shit, there's nothing in romania that was originally built by you nomads.
"Romanians conquered Budapest again and i didnt heard "
"you didn't heard" what?.....you mean looted, yeah you fuckers basically marched into a defenseless country, after your French masters told you to stay put and took just about everything that wasn't nailed down....felt off pool tables, ceramic toilets( something you primitive apes had never seen), light fixtures, museum treasures, live stock and not to mention raping and pillaginging and the list goes on....and this is your proud and noble victory...lol. You really are a misguided fool, you people are really no better than the gypsies that killed cozma. beat it retard
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Post by oszkarthehun on Feb 12, 2009 23:26:04 GMT -5
A few years ago I read a book about Romania I just happened to pick it up in local library (btw I dont live in Hungary), it was not written by a Hungarian but actually by a English Professor who was specialist in East Euro and Balkan history. Many things I had read about from Hungarian sources for example Romania"s poor treatment of minorities especially Hungarians and Ceasescu"s approach to how history was written etc were similiarly detailed in this book. Secondly Romania"s poor treatment of minorities has even been noted by international organisations.
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Post by lvl100 on Feb 13, 2009 1:23:53 GMT -5
Actually its you gypsies that always bring up the subject....f**k multiculturalism, its your way of justifying the Actually multiculturalism its the main reason used for why Transylvania should have autonomy. No wonder your a so poor in argumentation, you don't know well enough even your propaganda texts. No , the resources needed were pullet from Hungarians ass. The millions of Romanians kept serfs or tolerati were exporting their work to USA markets. Right......... You didnt knew to respect your minorities and you payed for that. Ironically, now you complaint about the same thing. As i said before, karma is a biatch , isnt it ?
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