wbb, I've never heard of such a thing. Of all the hypothesis and oral traditions passed down over the centuries never have I heard of the Magyar being muslim. Because you perhaps converted to islam or a member of your family married a muslim doesn't mean there's a muslim tradition in Hungary. You have to accept the fact that Hungary has been a Christian country since 1000 AD and before then we were pagans, worshipping many gods and godesses.
oszkarthehun that Imninalu site has both speculation and fact. Its no mere coincidence that scholars use the Hungarian language as a usefull tool to decipher sumerian. Somewhere in the dim past our Magyar ancestors came into contact with sumerian speaking people, borrowing many words or perhaps we originated in the region itself.
Post by oszkarthehun on Oct 29, 2009 18:36:27 GMT -5
According to the literature it is not certain that Kabars were all Muslims, it is suggested that Khazars and Kabars had Christian,Jewish, and Pagan and some muslim members.
At some point in the ninth century (as reported by Constantine Porphyrogenitus) a group of three Khazar clans called the Kabars revolted against the Khazar government. Mikhail Artamonov, Omeljan Pritsak and others have speculated that the revolt had something to do with a rejection of rabbinic Judaism; this is unlikely as it is believed that both the Kabars and mainstream Khazars had pagan, Jewish, Christian, and Muslim members. Pritsak maintained that the Kabars were led by the Khagan Khan-Tuvan Dyggvi in a war against the Bek. In any event Pritsak cited no primary source for his propositions in this matter. The Kabars were defeated and joined a confederacy led by the Magyars. It has been speculated that "Hungarian" derives from the Turkic word "Onogur", or "Ten Arrows", referring to seven Finno-Ugric tribes and the three tribes of the Kabars.
In the closing years of the ninth century the Khazars and Oghuz allied to attack the Pechenegs, who had been attacking both nations. The Pechenegs were driven westward, where they forced out the Magyars (Hungarians) who had previously inhabited the Don-Dnieper basin in vassalage to Khazaria. Under the leadership of the chieftain Lebedias and later Arpad, the Hungarians moved west into modern-day Hungary. The departure of the Hungarians led to an unstable power vacuum and the loss of Khazar control over the steppes north of the Black Sea.wikipedia- khazars.
Kabar wasnt Jewish, Kabar was a group of Khazar muslim minorities unlike the rest of Khazars who was Jewish. And like i mentioned before that Hebrew is not Jewish, Jewish and Muslims are Hebrew. Hebrew means "across the Euphrates river" which is in Iraq.
But like i said to Dezboy that majority of Khazars yes was Jewish but Kabars wasnt, Kabars were groups of Khazar muslim minorities.
WBB early Turkic peoples like Kabars,Khazars, Kuns/Cumans, Petchenegs/Beszenyos etc were not Arabs nor did they hail from the Middle East hence they were not originally or culturally Muslims,
Oszkar, a muslim does not have to be Arabs nor have to be originated from middle east. With all those Turkic people, they converted to Islam when Islamic Caliphate was ruling most of Asia after the prophet Muhammad's death.