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Post by Nikola on Dec 1, 2010 2:14:44 GMT -5
Same goes for those macedonian wannabes. And they call Greeks "gypsies". I missed this post. What do the Macedonians have to do with the topic of this thread? Are you defending Greeks by attacking other people?
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Hellenas
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Post by Hellenas on Dec 1, 2010 2:35:43 GMT -5
Albanians are from the Caucasus, originally. Caucasian AlbaniaThe Albanicus or ARNAUTICUS as they have been known !!Whether the albanians are the descendants of Illyrians is a matter of*great debate, it is questianable and controversial. Some Albanians nationalists and fanatics would like to think so however. Similarly the Slav Skopians, would like to think that they are macedonians, Turks would like to think they are Europeans and several other ridiculus misconceptions. The common element between all those races is that they are currently occupying Greek land; with the Turks occupying the majority of Greek land. Historians know that Albanians came from the Caspian Sea, near Caucasus. And that they mixed with Illyrians. Of course, Albanians tend to overlook that detail and assume they descent directly from Illyrians. The Albanians are from the Caucasus, originally. Caucasian Albania was located on the eastern area of the Caucasus between the Caspian sea and the tips of the mountain ranges. Old Albania was known only for wild dogs and baren snow covered mountains, for which it received the name Albania by foreigners (Alba-white). One of the GREATEST PROOFS that Albanians do come from the Caucasus and that THEY ARE NOT the descendants of the Ancient Illyrians is the Turkish name for the Albanians. "Arnauti", which means "those who have not returned" in Arabic, for the Turks were aware of the origins of the Albanians. And they truly did not return, they stayed in Serbian and Byzantine lands. In turn, the Albanians did not use any of those names for themselves, but called themselves "shqiptari". The word "shqip" has many meanings in Albanian. It can mean "eagle" or "rocky hill". Austro-Hungarian anthropologists and philologists in early last century attempted to give the Albanians a noble character nd theorized that the "eagle" was the root meaning and totally ignored both modern Albania and Caucasian Albania as rocky, baren and poor places, which would allude to the notion of the former as being the root meaning for naming themselves. Is this just a greater Serbian quasi-history to cover up the noble Illyrian roots of Albanians? Not according to a contemporary od Maniakos, the Byzantine ruler who brought the Albanians to northern Epirus. Michael Ataliotos describes the events in his chronicle: "Historia, Corpus Scriptorum Historiae Byzantinae. Impensis ed. Neberi, Bonnae". In the republic of Georgia, in the Caucasus, on the terriory of the former Caucasian Albania, from where the Avar Khanate once had its capital, there is a village named: "Arnauti". This is the name by which Serbs, Greeks, Turks, Fyromians and Montenegrin Serbs refer to Albanians in their respective langauges. There is also village in Georgia named "Bushati" - which is the name of an Albanian tribe ("fis") around Lake Skadar. There are three villages named: "Geguti", "Gegeni" and "Gegi". "Ghegheni" is the name designated to Albanians who live north of the Shkumbi River in Albania proper. The Albanians call themselves "Shqip-tari". This name is not Indo-European in origin and contains in it the Ural-Altaic suffix "ar" or "tar". Much like: "Khaz-AR", "Av-AR", "Magy-AR", "Bulg-AR", "Hung-AR", "Ta-TAR" - "Ship-TAR". Taken together with the Shqiptar-Albanian toponyms on the territory of the former Caucasian Albania, this theory on the etymology of "Shqipatr" becomes more plausable. When Aleander the Great conquered Asia minor, he took with him the great leader of the Albanian tribes and gave him as a present an Albanian dog. Among other things, Caucasian Albania did not attract conquerors, because of its poverty and difficult terrain. With the comming of the Arabs, they converted the Old Albanians in the 8th century to Islam. But meanwhile, at the time, the Arabs were waging campaigns in Sicily, dividing it into two parts, (hence there was the Kingom of the two Sicilies). In order to populate their part of Sicily, the Arabs brought with them Old Albanians from the Caucasus. To this day, their descendants live in Sicily. Then in 1042, the Byzantine Empire attacked the yong Serbian state after having defeated the Arabs in Sicily and having brought the Sicilian Albanians under their command and christianizing them. The leader of the Byzantines who led the Albanians was named Georgius Maniakos. Maniakos brought Albanian mercenaries from Sicily to fight the Serbs and they settled in two waves in modern day Albania, first the mercanaries came, and then came the women and children. After the defeat of Maniakos, the Byzantines would not let the Albanians return, thus the Albanians requested that the Serbs let them stay on the land. They settled under mount Raban and the city of Berat and from this, the Serbs called them "Rabanasi" or "Arbanasi". The city of Berat was known as Belgrad also, before the Albanians came to settle there. They mostly tended sheep and cattle and lent themselves out to Serbian nobles as brave soldiers. The original URAL-ALTAIC speaking Caucasian Shqiptar-Albanians were part of the AVAR KHANATE which had one of its early capitals in Caucasian Albania (hence Albanian topnyms there, the possible Ural-Altaic etymology of the suffix in the word "Shqip-tar" and the similarities in national costume with Caucasian peoples - the non-Indo-European Georgians, in particular). The original Shqiptar-Albanian group of AVARS settled in Northern Romania and subjugated the Latin speaking peoples of that area when the Avars entered Europe and conquered most of its Eastern part. Over time they assimilated most of the Latin language of the people they conquered, but imposed their name on their new subjects - just like the Bulg-AR tribe did in Thrace. This explains why modern Albanian has simmilarities to the Romance languages of Romania. This Ship-tar Av-ar tribe, I believe, moved south as far as Epirus from where the Avars are recorded as staging their failed attack on Constantinople. So, by the time the Avar Khanate was defeated by the armies of Serbs and Croats and Charles the Great in the 7th century, the Avars had reached south as far as EPIRUS from where they based this failed attack on Constantinople!!! In Epirus, this Shqiptar-Avar tribe assimilated the Illyrians and Hellens of Epirus, as they had done to the Latin speakers of Northern Romania more than a century earlier. While the Avars were driven out of Europe by Charles the Great and killed off by Serbs and Croats in the Balkans in the 7th century, the Serbs NEVER REACHED the south of the Shkumbi until the LATE DARK AGES. The Shqiptar-Avars in Epirus and south of the Shkumbi were left unharmed. Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish. - Euripedes (480 ? 406 BC) -- Ah dismiri Ellas, den anastithikes ak tou tafou, apla allakses tafon: Ap' ton Othomanikon eis ton Hristianikon. --Adamantios Korais.
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Hellenas
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Post by Hellenas on Dec 1, 2010 2:41:41 GMT -5
No, I just mentioned that some of the super anti-Greek nationalist Scopjans call us "negroids" and "gypsies" (when they look like us), just like the nazis and some north-western Europeans do.
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Post by greek1234 on Dec 1, 2010 3:11:07 GMT -5
Interesting article, thank you Hellenas. It's good to see a fellow Mediterranean on the forum. The Mediterranean Race gave birth to many great civilizations. The Nordicist/ Nazi's can't accept the fact that a brunette race gave birth to civilizations such as Greece and Rome.
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Post by Nikola on Dec 1, 2010 3:46:30 GMT -5
No, I just mentioned that some of the super anti-Greek nationalist Scopjans call us "negroids" and "gypsies" (when they look like us), just like the nazis and some north-western Europeans do. Oh fair enough. I thought you were doing the same thing towards us.
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Post by Hellenas on Dec 1, 2010 3:48:33 GMT -5
Interesting article, thank you Hellenas. It's good to see a fellow Mediterranean on the forum. The Mediterranean Race gave birth to many great civilizations. The Nordicist/ Nazi's can't accept the fact that a brunette race gave birth to civilizations such as Greece and Rome. Thank you too. Yes indeed, the proto-Mediterranean Hellenic race gave birth to many great civilizations, I saw a book once that speaks of the Hellenic-Mediterranean origin of the Summerians, interesting. The only bad thing is that some people try to steal our History & Glory.
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Post by greek1234 on Dec 1, 2010 7:33:24 GMT -5
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Hellenas
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Post by Hellenas on Dec 1, 2010 11:24:36 GMT -5
I already knew everything about Philistines and their Aegean-Mediterranean origin, I also knew the reason for leaving their homeland, they were not Polytheists like rest of Hellenes but they believed to Poseidon and some other sea deities. This that I didn't knew is that the Hittites were of the same Racial stock as the proto Hellenes. From books I propose this one: It has always been my belief that it is not enough for somebody to claim that he is Greek, if he cannot prove that he is indeed Greek and that it is not enough for somebody to live in Greece to be called a Greek. [...] Racial constitution is the decisive factor of nationality. But this point needed to be proved, verified scientifically and to be followed by research focusing on the Greeks people and their racial and thus national identification. Only in this way could any one say that he is Greek -if he really is one- and that he descends from the ancient Greeks -if he really does. www.ebooks.gr/book/157648
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Post by Hellenas on Dec 4, 2010 8:43:50 GMT -5
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