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Post by meltdown711 on Jan 27, 2008 21:49:01 GMT -5
I dont have to know much about Romania to know that Hungarians are not "primitive"
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Post by jerryspringer on Jan 27, 2008 22:01:48 GMT -5
I dont have to know much about Romania to know that Hungarians are not "primitive" That can have different meanings. One may call the Americans for being primitive and not necessarily mean their level of infrastructure or their culture at large. The Hungarians have been busted for taking credit for Romanian folklore before and AofG seems to take it a bit too personal. I've tried to persuade him to give the Hungarians a break and focus on the Bulgarians, but he wouldn't listen.
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Post by meltdown711 on Jan 27, 2008 22:07:07 GMT -5
Then one would be an idiot...
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Post by jerryspringer on Jan 27, 2008 22:11:54 GMT -5
Then one would be an idiot... I think you need to learn the different meanings of the word. It can mean savage, old-fashioned, crude, unsophisticated, etc. I have seen some of those qualities be attributed to the Americans. The point is, Budapest being a nice city and Hungary having a good infrastructure may not necessarily reflect what AofG was trying to say.
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Post by c0gnate on Jan 28, 2008 0:41:11 GMT -5
The Merkens ("they hate us for our freedom") are the greatest fighters of Islamofascim. Hallelujah!
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Post by szorostalpu on Feb 19, 2008 6:13:46 GMT -5
Why was my post deleted? ]
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Post by diurpaneus on Feb 19, 2008 7:14:44 GMT -5
Because it was slander and offensive. You may post things like those in your hungarian forum, but here such lies won`t be tolerated.
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Post by jerryspringer on Feb 19, 2008 10:25:30 GMT -5
If we allow ourselves to insult the Hungarians by calling them "miserable primitive Asiatic nation," then they should have the same privilage when insulting us.
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Post by diurpaneus on Feb 19, 2008 11:17:59 GMT -5
yeah.
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Post by szorostalpu on Feb 19, 2008 16:34:31 GMT -5
Because it was slander and offensive. You may post things like those in your hungarian forum, but here such lies won`t be tolerated. Oh, so you're the one. Please tell me how this was offensive or a lie? Why don't you repost it and let the others decide for themsleves. Or are you the absloute authority here.
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Post by wbb on Feb 20, 2008 3:26:57 GMT -5
to be honest with ya, hungarian christians yeah maybe stole the tradition or maybe introduced by the assimilated romanians who became hungarians, even i see it, it's not a pure hungarian tradition but a contaminated one, i dont even recognised that dance nor seen it nor even practiced it cause it is so foreign for me, hungarians christians for centuries after centuries had been contaminating the pure hungarian cultures and traditions by introducing somethings thats belongs to somebodies expecially european tradition like the folk dances and chit, u wanna know what's had been the real hungarian traditional dance? something like the Arabic Dabke dance, that's how i dance, i dance in Dabke dance since that dance has been historical for us ever since our arrival to europe. Neverless that foreign dance which hungarians are using now must be stamped out cause it's not ours. The Proto-Hungarians had been using the Dabke dance. Just imaging if Arpad seen that dance by his fellow Hungarians, he would certainly ask them like this, Hey wat da fuk are u doing? wat kind of a slobbish dance is that? hahahahahhaha. Btw, dont blame the Hungarian muslims for that, blame the hungarians christians instead, they the ones that contaminating our historical tradition and our culture, shame on them!!!
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Post by oszkarthehun on Feb 24, 2008 8:17:06 GMT -5
Actually Hungarians never fought against the Turks but the Romanians from Transylvania and Banat fought to defnt the Hungarian Kingdom. Miserable primitive Asiatic nation. Hungarians never fought the Turks what a load of crap get off the Romanian ultranationalist Propaganda sites and go read some real history. Hunyadi's first General was his brother in law Szilagyi , the brother of Hunyadi's Hungarian wife. Szekely whom fought alongside Hunyadi are Hungarians.
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Post by oszkarthehun on Feb 24, 2008 9:08:29 GMT -5
to be honest with ya, hungarian christians yeah maybe stole the tradition or maybe introduced by the assimilated romanians who became hungarians, even i see it, it's not a pure hungarian tradition but a contaminated one, i dont even recognised that dance nor seen it nor even practiced it cause it is so foreign for me, hungarians christians for centuries after centuries had been contaminating the pure hungarian cultures and traditions by introducing somethings thats belongs to somebodies expecially european tradition like the folk dances and chit, u wanna know what's had been the real hungarian traditional dance? something like the Arabic Dabke dance, that's how i dance, i dance in Dabke dance since that dance has been historical for us ever since our arrival to europe. Neverless that foreign dance which hungarians are using now must be stamped out cause it's not ours. The Proto-Hungarians had been using the Dabke dance. Just imaging if Arpad seen that dance by his fellow Hungarians, he would certainly ask them like this, Hey wat da fuk are u doing? wat kind of a slobbish dance is that? hahahahahhaha. Btw, dont blame the Hungarian muslims for that, blame the hungarians christians instead, they the ones that contaminating our historical tradition and our culture, shame on them!!! Man you are hilariuos at least thats one good thing cause otherwise you dont know what the f your talking about. As for the dancing and the folklore being stolen is completly inaccurate. I doubt when the Hungarians arrived they suddenly found themselves surrounded by peoples with violins and other instruments required for folkmusic and dancing many of the instruments commonly were not even in that region untill few hundred years after Hungarians arrived and some instruments such as violin was in Hungary even before it was in Romania. Many of these folk styles , dances, music, costumes etc were developed few hundred years already after Hungarian arrived in region. If you talking about people such as Csango who were living always as minority amongst Romanians yes there costumes and some instruments very heavily influenced by Romanians and many of the Csango are intermarried with Romanian Catholics. Its only that part of their historical origin was Hungarian and fact they speak Hungarian language the ones that still do that connect them with Hungary otherwise some identify as being Hungarian and some dont so it also depend their own choice of identity. If you look at Southern Slav folk dances anyone can see there is similiarity between all the Southern Slav dance styles, folk singing styles and even music styles from Croats,Serbs,Macedonians,Bulgarians etc Im not saying there are not differences or uniquenesses but one can see the very similiar themes. If we look at Russian Cossack dancing and Polish Folk Dance there is lot of similarities. To a certain degree there are similarities bewtween Hungarian,Slovak and Romanian Dancing , I have not seen any evidence to say that the these dance styles all specifically originated solely in Romania. In fact the dance Diurpaneus accused Hungarians from stealing from Romanians was the Hungarian Verbunkos its actually a military recruiting dance and was influenced from the Hapsburgs. As for the leg slapping movements in Hungarian its called Csopaszas and this can be seen to certain degree in Hungarian,Slovak and Romanian dancing I suspect these were influenced by the Germans/Austrians who also do leg slapping but use much more stiff robotic movements where as Hungarians,Romanians use much more fluid and twisting movements. In the times majority of these folk styles and dances were created and the instruments that were needed were available for the music etc in these times Transylvania was not a culturaly exclusive territory so its ridiculous to say the folk dance and style of the region was only influenced from one culture its more than likely grown and developed between the inhabitants of the 2 main cultures there Hungarian/Szekely Hungarians and Romanians. The Hungarian folk and dance styles and Romanian folk and dance styles outside of the Tranyslvania region differ to those of Transylvania. If you are Hungarian this is why you dont know anything about your country or culture. If you only look to or consider anything before 1000AD as Hungarian then your lost. I dont care what the enemies of Hungary say , I dont care for their accusations as Hungary has enough achievments of its own that the words of a few enemy nation nationalists mean nothing to me or to the world at large whom dont see Hungary that way either. If you cant understand nations dont stand still they move and grow and develop over time its bulls**t about stealing, countries and cultures influence each other in varying ways all the time but they adapt things to their own unique style. I could talk about Hungarian origin words that are used in Romanian but they are adapted to Romanian style- language, they are not the exact word that Hungarian used th same can be true vice versa and this happens all the time with all countries. Majority of Hungarians been Christians for the majority of the time sthat Hungary has been a nation in Karpat Medenc so like always who knows where this exclusive group of non Christian Hungarians like you are but certainly they have never been significant population in Hungary.
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Post by oszkarthehun on Feb 24, 2008 19:15:05 GMT -5
The Hungarians have had massive programs of assimilation during the middle ages and onwards. Look at the 1848 revolution. Their national hero (Sandor Petrofi) is infact a Serb/Slovak by origin but was made to believe that he was a Magyar. his heritage was of Serb abnd Slovak but he wasnt made to believe he was Magyar he was born in Hungary and he was Hungarian and gave his loyalty to Hungary by choice. He was a very proud and loyal Hungarian Im sure he knew the heritage of his parents but his loyalty was to Hungary. One of Serbia's greatest female tennis players Monika Szeles is actually Hungarian by heritage. Slovakia's tennis player Martina Hingis is half Hungarian on her Father's side. Their is even a Romanian heavyweight boxing champion I cant remember his name he is also half Hungarian but he was beaten by the Hungarian heavyweight world title holder Zsolt Erdei.
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Post by oszkarthehun on Feb 24, 2008 19:36:48 GMT -5
Yeah they fought at Mohacs if you can call that pathetic display a fight. Tomori said they should not wait for the Transylvanians so they will not share their glory with the Romanians. The other fights i know about were in fact carried out mainly by the Romanians living in the Kingdom of Hungary. John Huniady knighted an impresive number of Romanians from Transylvania for fighting the Turks showing that the bulk of his army were indeed Romanians. Never heared of a Hungarian ennobled for fighting the Turks. They are no good, not fit for fighting except when they catch undefended peasants and such and only then they are brave. You cannot compare them with the Romanians who were in all the battles i know massivelly outnumbered and many times crushed the enemy. I recently read a book about Romania not written by a Hungarain but in fact a English University Professor who is specialist on Eat Euro history, he wrote I cant recall if it was 1st or 2nd World war but apparently the Romanian army was considered so bad or cowardly that the Russians I think had a word for the soldiers that meant something like girls in soldiers uniforms, it was a library book if I borow it again I will quote it exactly. Hunyadi's army was made up of Romanians, Szekely Hungarians and Hungarians, his first General was a Hungarian by the name of Szilagyi whom was the Brother of Hunyadi's Hungarian wife. As for your comments were Hungarians good soldiers or not go and read about the renowned Hungarian Hussars. Whom were highly regarded and in demand amongst several armies throughout Europe. One of Americas most decorated Army Genrals in the Civil war was in fact a Hungarian Hussar General.
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Post by wbb on Feb 24, 2008 20:09:28 GMT -5
lol Okosz Sanyi where have u been? drink too much with abos and say sorry to them at Alice Spring?
wrong, it has been stolen cause i can tell those signs that it's has.
that's my point, u got it so we can tell that our culture is very contaminated.
and can i ask u nicely what's da fukin good thing about adopting, or stealing or influencing someone else's rubbish good for nothing cultural dance when we can adopt our own. we are not german or habsburg ffs, we are magyars fullstop.
i dont? honestly yes i do but it's seem to me u dont, cause u only follow one hungarian point of view instead of following several hungarian point of view, dont u recon?
lol u telling me im lost when by fact majority of hungarian christians that's including u dont even know the proper hungarian history?! You dont even know that Arpad was historically a muslim, did know that his reckless idiot son wasnt really a saint nor a true hungarian cause he was cursing his own father just because so-called St Stephan my arse hated his own father's religion (Islam)? He rather say that his father's religion was a paganistic which was his only real bs excuse for converting into christianity in which majority of europe did actually forced every hungarians to convert. But no no no u and every misleaded hungarians want to keep the dick head St Stephan's point of view history, may Allah curse him!!!! well fine by me i dont care, do what u wanna do but plz leave me and every magyar muslims out of this, we are Arpad follower not his reckless son who is cursing his own father (St Stephan follower) which majority of misleaded hungarians followed.
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Post by oszkarthehun on Feb 25, 2008 0:22:13 GMT -5
You missed the point . The point is in certain times various styles of music or dance or art were born and then spread into different places and people adopted them to certain degree into their own styles. The point I made is that Hungarians were already a nation in Europe before these styles flourished and these styles at certain time were part of Hungarian village life as they were in other places. Hungarian village women became very good seamstresses and created and decorated folk costumes in specific ways that has some variation from village to village. Also some of the motives and decorations used were actually very old specifically Hungarian motives. This is what I mean when I said you dont know about your culture if you are Hungarian cause you ignore all this stuff simply cause you dont like europeans/europe and you think its european as i said in much Hungarian folk art their are very old Magyar motives that been passed down from the very old times. Even Kodaly himself observed that Hungarian folkmusic retains early Turkic and Asian music structure , but you disregarded the folkmusic again you didnt know about your culture.
Hungarians adapted things into Hungarian style thats the point. Good or not this happens everywhere .
You seem to follow some type of limited exclusive ideas in your own mind I tend to follow more the reality, I dont deny what the truth is as I said before Hungary is an old 1200 year nation with very rich and deep culture/country with both Eastern and European influences all adopted into unique Hungarian style full stop thats how I see it and that really how it is in a nutshell.
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how many times did I ask you to prove any of those people were Muslims and never once did I recieve any proof.
Anyway Arpad wasnt the Father of Kiraly Istvan Geza was. Arpad was something like Great Great Grandfather of Saint Steve. I thought you knew the history?
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