Post by wbb on Dec 10, 2010 1:56:44 GMT -5
The Balkars (Karachay-Balkar: sg. таулу - tawlu, pl. таулула - tawlula) are a Turkic people of the Caucasus region, one the titular populations of Kabardino-Balkaria.
The origins of the Balkar people have not yet been definitively established: various hypotheses have associated them with the Huns, the Khazars, the Bulgars, the Alans, the Zikhs, the Brukhs, the Kipchaks (Qïpchaqs, Polovtsians), the Vengrians, the Chekhs, the Mongol Tatars, the Crimean Tatars, and Turkicized Japhetic groups. Some contemporary scholars attribute their origin to a cultural conglomeration of northern Caucasian tribes with the Iranian-speaking Alans and with Turkish-speaking tribes, among which the most significant were probably the Black Bulgars and the Western Kipchaks. Elements of Balkar culture indicate a long association with the Near East, the Mediterranean, the rest of the Caucasus, and Russia. In the pre-Mongol period (before the thirteenth century) the Balkars were part of the Alan union of tribes, but after the Mongol invasion they retreated into the canyons of the central Caucasus.
According to native ethnogenetic traditions, the Balkars originally settled in the basin of the main Balkar canyon, where the hunter Malkar found success and called his companions Misaka and Basiat of Majar (or Madyar) to join him. The oldest written information about this canyon dates from the fourteenth century and can be found in a Georgian epigraph on a golden cross in the Cathedral of the Assumption in Tskhovati, South Ossetia: the text refers to the canyon in question as "Basianian." In more recent times, in Russian sources, the Balkar population is also referred to as "Basian" and "Balxar".
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balkars
The Karachay-Balkar language (Karachay-Balkar: Къарачай-Малкъар тил /Qaraçay-Malqar til/) is a Turkic language spoken by the Karachays and Balkars. It is divided into two dialects: Karachay which pronounces two phonemes as /tʃ/ and /dʒ/, and Balkar, which pronounces the corresponding phonemes as /ts/ and /z/.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karachay-Balkar_language
Their Turkic language sound more Oghuric (Ugor) than Oghuz.
Malkar/Balkar, maybe they are our lost Magyar relatives that were settled in this Caucasus after the Mongol-Tatar destruction in Magna Hungarian.
And i have heard the Bulgars and Magyars are related as well.
But really who are those people in Caucasus, and why is that a people who speak Caucasian language called themself Kabars lived with this Malkar/Balkar people?
Isnt there's a theory about this Magyar-Kabar association?
There is. 3 Kabar tribes joined the Magyars on the way to the Carpathian Basin.
The three Kabar tribes accompanied the Hungarian migration from the Ukrainian steppe to the Pannonian plain, and participated in the Hungarian conquest of Hungary.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kabars
Based on the ancient name Σάβαρτοι άσφαλοι /Sawartoi asfaloi/ of the Magyars recorded by the Emperor Constantine Porphyrogennetos, some scholars assume that the Byzantine, Muslim and Armenian sources, that referred to a people called Σάβιροι /Sawiroi/, Σεβορτιοι /Sewortioi/, Siyāwardiya, and Sevordi, recorded the presence of the ancient Magyars north of the Caucasus Mountains in the 5th-10th centuries.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magna_Hungaria
Some scholars[22][23] suggest that from Magna Hungaria, the ancient Magyars moved to the region north of the Caucasus Mountains, around the rivers Don and Kuban.
The origins of the Balkar people have not yet been definitively established: various hypotheses have associated them with the Huns, the Khazars, the Bulgars, the Alans, the Zikhs, the Brukhs, the Kipchaks (Qïpchaqs, Polovtsians), the Vengrians, the Chekhs, the Mongol Tatars, the Crimean Tatars, and Turkicized Japhetic groups. Some contemporary scholars attribute their origin to a cultural conglomeration of northern Caucasian tribes with the Iranian-speaking Alans and with Turkish-speaking tribes, among which the most significant were probably the Black Bulgars and the Western Kipchaks. Elements of Balkar culture indicate a long association with the Near East, the Mediterranean, the rest of the Caucasus, and Russia. In the pre-Mongol period (before the thirteenth century) the Balkars were part of the Alan union of tribes, but after the Mongol invasion they retreated into the canyons of the central Caucasus.
According to native ethnogenetic traditions, the Balkars originally settled in the basin of the main Balkar canyon, where the hunter Malkar found success and called his companions Misaka and Basiat of Majar (or Madyar) to join him. The oldest written information about this canyon dates from the fourteenth century and can be found in a Georgian epigraph on a golden cross in the Cathedral of the Assumption in Tskhovati, South Ossetia: the text refers to the canyon in question as "Basianian." In more recent times, in Russian sources, the Balkar population is also referred to as "Basian" and "Balxar".
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balkars
The Karachay-Balkar language (Karachay-Balkar: Къарачай-Малкъар тил /Qaraçay-Malqar til/) is a Turkic language spoken by the Karachays and Balkars. It is divided into two dialects: Karachay which pronounces two phonemes as /tʃ/ and /dʒ/, and Balkar, which pronounces the corresponding phonemes as /ts/ and /z/.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karachay-Balkar_language
Their Turkic language sound more Oghuric (Ugor) than Oghuz.
Malkar/Balkar, maybe they are our lost Magyar relatives that were settled in this Caucasus after the Mongol-Tatar destruction in Magna Hungarian.
And i have heard the Bulgars and Magyars are related as well.
But really who are those people in Caucasus, and why is that a people who speak Caucasian language called themself Kabars lived with this Malkar/Balkar people?
Isnt there's a theory about this Magyar-Kabar association?
There is. 3 Kabar tribes joined the Magyars on the way to the Carpathian Basin.
The three Kabar tribes accompanied the Hungarian migration from the Ukrainian steppe to the Pannonian plain, and participated in the Hungarian conquest of Hungary.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kabars
Based on the ancient name Σάβαρτοι άσφαλοι /Sawartoi asfaloi/ of the Magyars recorded by the Emperor Constantine Porphyrogennetos, some scholars assume that the Byzantine, Muslim and Armenian sources, that referred to a people called Σάβιροι /Sawiroi/, Σεβορτιοι /Sewortioi/, Siyāwardiya, and Sevordi, recorded the presence of the ancient Magyars north of the Caucasus Mountains in the 5th-10th centuries.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magna_Hungaria
Some scholars[22][23] suggest that from Magna Hungaria, the ancient Magyars moved to the region north of the Caucasus Mountains, around the rivers Don and Kuban.