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Post by MiG on Apr 19, 2010 10:21:28 GMT -5
bosna505 seems like a less radical tito.. as stupid as he seems to be, it is nice to have someone like him on the forums.. someone's gotta fill the void but yeah, we are Slavs bosna! You Slavs??? Okay Why Not I have only said albanians have some slav influence like Names, Blood but you said you feel slav than i will accept it. Why not answer my question dude? What's your last name? Or at least, what does it end with?
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Post by bosna505 on Apr 20, 2010 7:49:37 GMT -5
You Slavs??? Okay Why Not I have only said albanians have some slav influence like Names, Blood but you said you feel slav than i will accept it. Why not answer my question dude? What's your last name? Or at least, what does it end with? On what you will a answer i have said to you where is the difference between Adem Jashari od Adem Jasarevic??? This are Muslim Names but Names like Krasniqi is from orgin Slavic Krasnic.
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Post by MiG on Apr 20, 2010 10:56:06 GMT -5
Why didn't you answer my question? Are you afraid, because your last name ends in -ic, or -vic, or even maybe -ov?
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Post by Patrinos on Apr 20, 2010 14:03:20 GMT -5
As I see, Serbs are the only really proud of their origins, thats why they are the most serious Balkanian Slavs.
Bosnaks looking for an Illyrian ancestry to counterbalance their Osmanli past.
Fyromskis have invented the Macedonian ancestry...to counterbalance the misty identity their grandfathers had.
Croats look to the West pretending to be something like Germans... despite the fact that they are one of us...balkanoids...
Bulgarians, in better level from the three above, are in majority pretty proud for their past and they are getting better...
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Post by bosna505 on Apr 21, 2010 6:49:55 GMT -5
Why didn't you answer my question? Are you afraid, because your last name ends in -ic, or -vic, or even maybe -ov? Yes my Name end with vic but say me where is the difference between Adem Jashari and Adem Jasarevic???
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Post by eaglesson on Oct 31, 2010 13:56:53 GMT -5
Dude your getting things wrong. Krasnici is not a Slavic name its a Catholic name but not a Slavic name. Adem Jashari is a muslim name but the -vic you put in it makes it look slavic like some Bosnian name.
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Post by eaglesson on Oct 31, 2010 13:57:58 GMT -5
Albanians have same roots with Croats and Slovens but NOT with Bosnians. Bosnians in my opinion are Serbians converted into muslims (no offense). Illyrians lived from the Italian-Slovenian border to the far side of Albanian-Greek border. But its also a possibility that Bosnians had some kind of a link to Illyrians because Bosna its a name with Illyrian origin but in the past time the have lost their similarity with other Illyrian tribes as fact of Slavs and Ottomans.
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Post by terroreign on Nov 19, 2010 20:10:02 GMT -5
^The Krasnici last name is more slavic than a Ukrainian
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Post by tsompanos on Nov 20, 2010 1:28:26 GMT -5
Albanians have same roots with Croats and Slovens but NOT with Bosnians. Bosnians in my opinion are Serbians converted into muslims (no offense). Illyrians lived from the Italian-Slovenian border to the far side of Albanian-Greek border. But its also a possibility that Bosnians had some kind of a link to Illyrians because Bosna its a name with Illyrian origin but in the past time the have lost their similarity with other Illyrian tribes as fact of Slavs and Ottomans. lol dude are you kidding me? albanians and slovenians are like night and day, basically slovenians are not similar to anyone in the balkans if you ask me they are basically austrians speaking serbian just look at how they look and their traditions and all.
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Post by Gigolo on Dec 19, 2010 19:34:47 GMT -5
Slovenians don't speak Serbian, Slovenian is it's own language and always has been. Nobody has ever even attempted to say it is the same. This is the first time I hear such a claim. But yes you are right, Slovenians and Albanians have nothing to do with eachother, and most Slovenians would cringe at the thought. Especially culturally, Slovenians are different from all of us, they are basically Western Europeans. Their country isn't even in the Balkans geographically.
Others in this thread are confusing modern ethno-national identity and ancient genetic ancestry. Some others are also confusing language and genetics.
It's pretty obvious, both from historical conclusions and from genetic studies that Albanians are a mix of things. Like everyone else. But you can safely say their main ancestry, both culturally and racialy are both Illyrians and Thracians, or Thraco-Illyrians. So with those two combined together, yes, Albanians are one of the oldest in the Balkans.
And one thing everyone seems to be oblivious to, possibly because they've never read a book in their life, is that the term "Illyrians" was originaly used for a much smaller group, the Illyrians proper, around North Albania and Montenegro. Only later did the name "Illyrians" come to be used for ALL the tribes in the West Balkans. They never used the term for themsevles. So the name refers to a large and vague collection of different tribes that probably had some things in common (language links and cultural traditions like tatooing), but also many differences. Not to mention many of the "Illyrians" in Bosnia and Croatia were Celticized. So even if you proved all Balkan nations came from "Illyrians" it still wouldn't mean they are of the same ancestry, because all those tribes were pretty different to begin with.
So here's the truth some of you seem to hate.
Genetics has proven, without a doubt, that all nations in the Western Balkans are a mix of the 'same' things, just at different degrees. All are a mix of pre-Slavic tribes and Slav settlers, it's just that some have more of one and some have more of the other.
But this genetic ancestry has little to do with today's ethnic consciousness and Albanians will keep being and feeling like Albanians no matter what their genetic root is. If you tell one Albanian his great-great-great-great grandpa was a Greek or Serb, I doubt he's going to stop feeling Albanian and speaking Albanian.
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Post by la3ar on Dec 19, 2010 20:07:31 GMT -5
Illyria is the is scapegoat Albanians throw around to feel accomplished amongst themselves.
What do the Albanians have to show to the modern world? Nothing. Serbs have a lot show, whether you would like to recognize is a totally different story.
It comes down to the complex the dear Albanos have. Inferiority. Through gradual learning and acceptance of the reality they live in and the place they have in Europe, only then will the gradual healing begin.
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Post by Gigolo on Dec 19, 2010 20:11:05 GMT -5
Illyria is the is scapegoat Albanians throw around to feel accomplished amongst themselves. What do the Albanians have to show to the modern world? Nothing. Serbs have a lot show, whether you would like to recognize is a totally different story. It comes down to the complex the dear Albanos have. Inferiority. Through gradual learning and acceptance of the reality they live in and the place they have in Europe, only then will the gradual healing begin. Well this is just ignorant. Every nation has accomplishments, and Albanians, as a small nation, have plenty. Why not look at a list of famous Albanians on Wiki? They have award winning writers, they have scientists, they have historical figures, just like Serbs. I think some of you guys are too blind with hatred to look at stuff realisticly. That goes for both Serbs and Albanians. I wouldn't say Albanians have an inferiority complex at all. In fact I would say that young Albanian teens today have a SUPERIORITY complex because many are intoxicated on nationalism like Serbs were during the 80's and 90's. They are mostly found online, ranting and raving on Facebook.
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Post by srbobran on Dec 20, 2010 1:51:16 GMT -5
Well written.
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Post by rex362 on Dec 22, 2010 10:53:38 GMT -5
yep ....Serbia showed the world how to get bombed by Nato
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Post by atdhetari on Dec 25, 2010 15:58:06 GMT -5
Illyria is the is scapegoat Albanians throw around to feel accomplished amongst themselves. i don't think u understand what a scapegoat means, that makes no sense, do you mean excuse? how could we use our illyrian ancestry as a show of superiority? there is very little we know about them or anything they accomplished. you seem like you are a mundane human being, you are the embodiment of the typical balcan's stereotype. just because you have a tennis player ranked second in the world doesn't mean you have contributed anything of worth to the world. this serbian pomposity never ceases to amaze me, what the fuk have yo given to the 'modern world'? mass graves? ethnic cleansing? genocide? concentration camps? conflict? savagery? we saw how culturally superior you were in that brilliant display of value in genoa when you terrorised a stadium full of kids. serbs are the people most plagued by inferiority, they are isolated, they have no friends, the internaitonal cummunity has come down on them hard, your image has been tarnished and you are synonymous with destruction. fuk off
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Post by la3ar on Dec 25, 2010 22:42:27 GMT -5
Illyria is the is scapegoat Albanians throw around to feel accomplished amongst themselves. i don't think u understand what a scapegoat means, that makes no sense, do you mean excuse? how could we use our illyrian ancestry as a show of superiority? there is very little we know about them or anything they accomplished. you seem like you are a mundane human being, you are the embodiment of the typical balcan's stereotype. just because you have a tennis player ranked second in the world doesn't mean you have contributed anything of worth to the world. this serbian pomposity never ceases to amaze me, what the fuk have yo given to the 'modern world'? mass graves? ethnic cleansing? genocide? concentration camps? conflict? savagery? we saw how culturally superior you were in that brilliant display of value in genoa when you terrorised a stadium full of kids. serbs are the people most plagued by inferiority, they are isolated, they have no friends, the internaitonal cummunity has come down on them hard, your image has been tarnished and you are synonymous with destruction. fuk off Scapegoat ? Well you guys rely on the fact that your "history" or his-story is soo precious and this is your genetic composition. So yes, it is a scapegoat. You refuse to look at yourselves in the modern times, all you do is talk about somehting that never existed in your existence. Through gradual learning and acceptance of the reality the Albanos live in and the place they have in Europe, only then will the gradual healing begin. Allow this healing to begin now, no time is better than now.
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Post by la3ar on Dec 25, 2010 22:43:41 GMT -5
yep ....Serbia showed the world how to get bombed by Nato Yep. The most resistant nation the US or the EU/NATO has ever encountered. I am proud of the Serbs, and how they dealt with that madness.
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Post by eaglesson on Dec 26, 2010 17:52:49 GMT -5
Yes Serbs have their way of dealing with "that" madness, if they are mad they go and kill like 80k innocent people in a day.
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Post by la3ar on Dec 26, 2010 18:14:02 GMT -5
Yes Serbs have their way of dealing with "that" madness, if they are mad they go and kill like 80k innocent people in a day. WOW.... looks like you play World of Warcraft a bit too much, you have forgotten which reality you are in. hahaha
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Post by Gigolo on Dec 26, 2010 19:23:35 GMT -5
yep ....Serbia showed the world how to get bombed by Nato Yep. The most resistant nation the US or the EU/NATO has ever encountered. I am proud of the Serbs, and how they dealt with that madness. Err, whut? Plz tell me you are joking.
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