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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Jan 18, 2011 18:21:38 GMT -5
The Gok Turks - the strongest lineage to them the Gagauz. Also the Chuvash are were and are still Christian. Also I don't remember exactly how since Turks are very diverse, I went to the Turks exhibition in London at the Royal Picadilly Arts and remember being told something about the period of time that Turks were Christian, something about dragons and blabla.. I don't remember to be honest. Perhaps Im wrong who knows? As for Paganism and shamanism, both are present in ancient Turk history, elements of both are still present today.
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Jan 18, 2011 18:34:02 GMT -5
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Post by turkish on Jan 19, 2011 11:21:51 GMT -5
DY,Turkics were not Christians before they became Muslims. I don't know about Turkics being Pagans but I know they were shamans in the past.I think for most Turkics,they converted from shamanism to Islam. And yes,there are many Bosniaks in Istanbul.There are also many Bosniaks in Bursa.In fact,Bursa is known for its Balkan styled villages. The European Muslim refugees from former Ottoman lands were resettled all over Turkey.The southeast region received the least amount of refugees though. As for the 60,000 Armenians,these are the ones who are Christians and are descendants of the remaining Armenians once the Republic of Turkey was established. There are actually more Armenians.I'm talking about the Crypto-Armenians : Turk on the outside,but Armenian on the inside. Some say that many Turks who have been converting to Christianity in the recent years are these Crypto-Armenians. Krivosanin,I don't know why did you say Serbians are one of the largest groups,did you mean BOSNIAK? Bursa is known for its Ottoman styled homesand villages. These same styled villages have survived in Bosnia and some places like Albania and Macedonia, after the muslims and Turks were persecuted by the christians when Ottoman Empire was falling down. I've been to Bursa, very nice place, very big industry, strong Turkish patriots and home to the founding restaurant of the world famous Iskender Kebabi. There are 100,000 armenians in Turkey, many of them are illegal. They need to be deportated because they don't pay taxes. Crypto-armenians? LOL, the only people who have sympathy with the word Armenians are communists and leftist a**holes, other than that. Turkey is a pure Turkish country. One state, one language and one culture LOL
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Post by oszkarthehun on Jan 20, 2011 23:00:16 GMT -5
DY,Turkics were not Christians before they became Muslims. I don't know about Turkics being Pagans but I know they were shamans in the past.I think for most Turkics,they converted from shamanism to Islam. And yes,there are many Bosniaks in Istanbul.There are also many Bosniaks in Bursa.In fact,Bursa is known for its Balkan styled villages. The European Muslim refugees from former Ottoman lands were resettled all over Turkey.The southeast region received the least amount of refugees though. As for the 60,000 Armenians,these are the ones who are Christians and are descendants of the remaining Armenians once the Republic of Turkey was established. There are actually more Armenians.I'm talking about the Crypto-Armenians : Turk on the outside,but Armenian on the inside. Some say that many Turks who have been converting to Christianity in the recent years are these Crypto-Armenians. Krivosanin,I don't know why did you say Serbians are one of the largest groups,did you mean BOSNIAK? Bursa is known for its Ottoman styled homesand villages. These same styled villages have survived in Bosnia and some places like Albania and Macedonia, after the muslims and Turks were persecuted by the christians when Ottoman Empire was falling down. I've been to Bursa, very nice place, very big industry, strong Turkish patriots and home to the founding restaurant of the world famous Iskender Kebabi. There are 100,000 armenians in Turkey, many of them are illegal. They need to be deportated because they don't pay taxes. Crypto-armenians? LOL, the only people who have sympathy with the word Armenians are communists and leftist a**holes, other than that. Turkey is a pure Turkish country. One state, one language and one culture LOL Turkey is like America a nation built from and on various peoples, "one state, one language, one culture " .... plus 12 million Kurds etc etc etc. Once upon a time Turkey even denied these Kurds existed.
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Post by turkish on Jan 23, 2011 14:00:35 GMT -5
Yes we know Kurds exist and the state made errors in not recognizing them. Outside the Kurds Turkey is a fully Turkish country, everybody has atleast mixed once in their ancestor line but they all identify themselves as Turks.
If you ask a Turk where he comes from, he will answer with his memleket, not what his great great great grand grand grandfather was in the 17th century.
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Post by terroreign on Jan 23, 2011 22:29:57 GMT -5
^That's almost opposite to most Balkan nations, at least Montenegro. Here people are unmixed and can prove it for 20 or so generations. Though I'm sure there are quite homogenous villages in certain parts of Turkey.
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Post by donnie on Jan 24, 2011 12:50:32 GMT -5
^That's almost opposite to most Balkan nations, at least Montenegro. Here people are unmixed and can prove it for 20 or so generations. You're saying you're inbred ;D
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Post by hellboy87 on Jan 26, 2011 0:16:36 GMT -5
memleket?
turkish,Turkey is not a fully Turkish country,whatever the hell that is.It's just identification.
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Post by terroreign on Jan 27, 2011 7:58:05 GMT -5
^That's almost opposite to most Balkan nations, at least Montenegro. Here people are unmixed and can prove it for 20 or so generations. You're saying you're inbred ;D No, just that we didn't bend over to any conquering powers like you guys ;D
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Post by plisbardhi on Jan 27, 2011 18:36:03 GMT -5
Sure you did.. to the Slavs.
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Jan 27, 2011 19:02:03 GMT -5
^ Oh , that's low man. Really low! lol
Not to show up my arrogant Serb friend here but since we're talking about Turkish ancestors from the Balkans I'm gonna wager a good portion of the Bosnians ( probably ones that came the earliest to Turkiye) are also Hirvatistanli (from Turkish Croatia) or other parts of Bosnia. Probably today descended by two Croat Ottoman Pashas in Instabul ( Rustem Pasha and Mahmut Pasha Hirvat)
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Post by turkish on Jan 28, 2011 7:20:41 GMT -5
memleket? turkish,Turkey is not a fully Turkish country,whatever the hell that is.It's just identification. Neither is Greece fully Greek or Russia fully Russian. No country is homogeneous, go look at the European DNA map and see how colorful the pie charts are. But you're an asian malaysian so why do you care. Don't you have typhoons to watch out?
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Jan 28, 2011 9:08:55 GMT -5
memleket? turkish,Turkey is not a fully Turkish country,whatever the hell that is.It's just identification. Neither is Greece fully Greek or Russia fully Russian. No country is homogeneous, go look at the European DNA map and see how colorful the pie charts are. But you're an asian malaysian so why do you care. Don't you have typhoons to watch out? Well said.
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Post by terroreign on Jan 28, 2011 12:30:53 GMT -5
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Jan 29, 2011 4:46:53 GMT -5
Rustem Pasha (Hirvat as the Turks called him) was from Makarska but he was given charge of Ottoman provinces in Bosnia. And no I mean Mahmut Pasha Hirvat/ Hersekli Ahmed Pasa
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Post by terroreign on Jan 31, 2011 2:44:06 GMT -5
Rustem Pasha (Hirvat as the Turks called him) was from Makarska but he was given charge of Ottoman provinces in Bosnia. And no I mean Mahmut Pasha Hirvat/ Hersekli Ahmed Pasa So then he wasn't a Bosanac, nego Dalmatinac A Hersekli Pasha Hercegovac
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Jan 31, 2011 2:49:06 GMT -5
Same general area.
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Post by terroreign on Feb 1, 2011 3:55:38 GMT -5
Eh! Pa jel cemo sad nabrajati i Crnogorce i Bokelje? Ne bi Hrvat iz Mostara rekao da je iz Bosne!
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Post by hellboy87 on Feb 1, 2011 12:04:44 GMT -5
Neither is Greece fully Greek or Russia fully Russian. No country is homogeneous, go look at the European DNA map and see how colorful the pie charts are. But you're an asian malaysian so why do you care. Don't you have typhoons to watch out? Yes,I know that no country is fully homogenous today. But when you said that everyone in Turkey says they're Turks,I was just pointing out that it's not so an ethnic/ancestry thing for a lot of them. Why do I care? Because I am intrested and I have ancestry from the region.
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Post by turkish on Feb 11, 2011 10:26:09 GMT -5
Neither is Greece fully Greek or Russia fully Russian. No country is homogeneous, go look at the European DNA map and see how colorful the pie charts are. But you're an asian malaysian so why do you care. Don't you have typhoons to watch out? Yes,I know that no country is fully homogenous today. But when you said that everyone in Turkey says they're Turks,I was just pointing out that it's not so an ethnic/ancestry thing for a lot of them. Why do I care? Because I am intrested and I have ancestry from the region. Why don't you point out that its not so an ethnic/ancestry thing for all the other countries in the world but only Türkiye? Are you buddhurt when a Turk is... just being Turkish? I am confuzzled why an asian malaysian thousands kilometres away is pointing something out for the Turks, but not for the Lebanese, or Greeks, or Serbians, or Georgians etc. I don't know, but.. are you realous of the Turks? I don't think you have any ancestors from this region. Looking at photos on the internet like these: www.flickr.com/photos/riccardocornaglia/5009296662/I would say you look more like Indians, people in Turkey aren't that dark skinned in my opinion.
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