Names for SERBS which are NON-SLAVIC!

[Emperor AAdmin]

Serbs have been primarily refereed to as Triballians, Rascians, Dalmatians, Illyrians, Vlachs, Slavonians (Sclavinians) and Servians.

1st five names are not derived from Slavs.

IDEA: I am stating that it might be reasonable to postulate that the last name, Servians, could also be derived from non-Slavic origin. Byzantines were the ones who came up with the name in their records. The name often (if not always) appears to has been written as Servia versus any other derivative of this name early on. It might sound logical to postulate that Byzantines would call this population SERVians. Reason for that is that they were indeed SERVants of the Orthodox God imported from Byzantines.

Servia
www.newadvent.org/cathen/13732a.htm

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Vast majority of the names used for Serbs in medieval period appear not to be derived from Slavic (and certainly not from Sarmatian) source.

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Rascians

One of the names for Serbs are Rascians (derived from 'Ras' which is further derived from preslavic name of the Byzantine fort in the same location called 'Arsa'). Non slavic in origin.

""The name Rascia (Serbian: Рашка; Raška) is used by modern historiography to refer to the mainland region (known in Serbian as the hinterlands, in contrast to the maritime fiefs of the Adriatic coast) of the Principality of Serbia inhabited and ruled by Serbs; the seat of the early medieval state of Serbia. It is used to describe Serbia up to Stefan Nemanja (1166–1196) or the forming of the Kingdom of Serbia in 1217. "Rascia" continued to serve as an exonym for Serbia in West European sources since late 12th century, along with other names such as Servia and Slavonia. The name is derived from the name of the region's most important fort, Ras which first appears in the work de aedificiis of Byzantine Procopius as Arsa prior to the forming of Serbia.[11]"

[11]# ^ Procopius, De aedificiis, IV 4
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_Serbia#Rascia

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Triballians

Triballians were a Thracian tribe and name most frequently used for Serbs. This in my view can be the only logical alternative to name of Servian and could easily be the original name for Serbs in itself. Srbalj being one of the variants of Srbin (that Serbs call themself). Tribal and Srbalj show clear similarities to just be coincidence (especially considering they are names for the same exact people).

The Triballi (Greek: Τριβαλλοί, Bulgarian, Serbian: Трибали/Tribali) were an ancient Thracian tribe whose dominion was around the plains of southern modern Serbia[12][13] and west Bulgaria, at the Angrus and Brongus (the South and West Morava) and the Iskur River, roughly centered where Serbia and Bulgaria are joined.[13]. This Thracian tribe has etymologically been connected with the Serbs,[14][15] as many medieval Byzantine historians referred to the Serbs as the Triballians[16] (Serbian name for Triballians is "Srblji/Србљи", Thracians is rašani - the first Serbian state was Rascia, present-day Serbia). Trebinje, a present city of Herzegovina and historical Serbian principality (Travunija, sometimes rendered as Triballia) has also been connected with this tribe. From the 11th century until the fall of the Byzantine Empire, the Serbs were called Triballians in Byzantine works.[17][18][19][20][21] For example in the works of historian Niketas Choniates (1155–1215), Emperor Manuel II Palaiologos (1391–1425), it is explained that Triballians are synonymous with Serbs.

12# ^ Papazoglu 1978, 58-61
13# ^ a b George Grote: History of Greece: I. Legendary Greece. II. Grecian history to the reign of Peisistratus at Athens, Vol 12, 1856 "...from the plain of Kossovo in modern Servia northward towards the Danube..."
14# ^ The letters of Manuel II Palaeologus
15# ^ www.eliznik.org.uk/Bulgaria/history/thracian-tribes.htm
16# ^ The development of the Komnenian army: 1081-1180
17# ^ JSTOR: The English Historical Review, Vol. 53, No. 209 (Jan., 1938), pp. 129-131
18# ^ Mehmed II the Conqueror and the fall of the Franco-Byzantine Levant to the Ottoman Turks Page 65, 77: "Triballians = Serbs"
19# ^ The letters of Manuel II Palaeologus Page 48: "The Triballians are the Serbs"
20# ^ The Journal of Hellenic studies Page 48: "Byzantine historians [...] calling [...] Serbs Triballians"
21# ^ Studies in late Byzantine history and prosopography Page 228: "Serbs (were) Triballians"

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_Serbia#Triballians

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Medieval Greek and Latin historiographers call the Serbians "Triballi". This does not necessarily indicate a relation of Serbians with the ancient tribe with the same name. Laonikos Chalkokondyles (1430-1490) says that at his time the Triballian land is around the area where river Morava meets Istrus (Danube) river ("... per regionem Triballorum. Ea autem region est, quam alluit Morabas fluvius, et in Istrum effunditur.")[20].

20# ^ Chalcocondylus Laonicus (Chalcondyles) Historiarum de origine ac Rebus gestis Turcorum, book 7, pp. 349 (Greek text), 351 (Latin text). Available on line as pdf file www.veritatis-societas.org/103_Migne_gm/1430-1490,_Laonicus_Chalcocondylus,_De_Rebus_Turcis_(MPG_159_0007_0556),_GM.pdf .

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Medieval_Serbia#Origins_and_migration

Σέρβλοι (Servloi/Serbloi) is what has been recorded also by De Administrando Imperio ( books.google.com/books?id=3al15wpFWiMC&pg=PA152&lpg=PA152&dq=%CE%A3%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B2%CE%BB%CE%BF%CE%B9&source=bl&ots=7ud3oCHXaz&sig=hQ9W-TTAcswe1PbpdVe6LIxRSSU&hl=en&ei=Uc09Ta7ZCJHogQfU5bW7CA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBMQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%CE%A3%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B2%CE%BB%CE%BF%CE%B9&f=false and we have covered related subject in our forum before illyria.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=hellasgreece&action=display&thread=31999&page=1 ). Compare the name to the most frequent name used for Serbs which is Triballians and it becomes clear that it is Triballians name that is origin of modern Serb name and not anything else.

Σέρβλοι/Servloi/Serbloi versus Τριβαλλοί/Trivali/Tribali. It is apperent that it is written in the same sequence in both Greek and Latin (seRVLoI/seRBLoI versus tRiVaLI/tRiBaLI) and not to mention of similarities between Tribal and Srbalj.

Etimology of the word Triball covered bellow

-Triballi/Τριβαλλοί (Triv(b)i/Τριβή=Trained+V(b)oli/Βολει=Throwing)(tribe/p40)
(*=source is Antonije Skokljev - "Bogovi Olimpa Iz Srbije" or "Olymbic gods are from Serbia" by A.S.)
www.scribd.com/doc/44020703/Antonije-Skokljev-Bogovi-Olimpa-Iz-Srbije


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Dalmatians

Dalmatians was another name for Serbs utilized by especially Byzantines (which appear to use mainly this name for Serbs).
Name clearly predates coming of Slavs.

Dalmatians/Dalmats

In the context of referring to the local peoples writers describing contemporary events of their time using archaic names, the Byzantine writers most often called the Serbs "Dalmats". This starts with John Kinnamos, when he had wrote in the 12th century in his work "the Serbs, a Dalmatic tribe" (Σέρβιοι, ε-8-νος Δαλματικών), henceforth writing simply "Dalmats" or "Dalmatic people" in the contexts of the Serbs and "Dalmatia" in the context of Serbia. The same practice is continued by Anna Comnena in her "Alexiad" a chronicle of events in the late 11th century.[22] There are numerous other, less prominent, instances, poetic for example - Theodore Prodromus, Michael Italicus and the typikon of the Pantokrator monastery, among others.

In a very similar manner, the Moesians and occasionally, Peonians, was the term for the Bulgarians.

22^ Anne Comnene, Alexiade (Regne de L'Empereur Alexis I Comnene 1081-1118) II, pp. l57:3-l6; 1.66: 25-169. Texte etabli er traduit par B. Leib t. I-III (Paris, 1937-1945).

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_Serbia#Dalmatians.2FDalmats

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Illyrians

* Illyrians, in the Austrian Empire, example of it being Rescriptum Declaratorium Illyricae Nationis from 1779, declared by Maria Theresa, which officially established the position of Serbs and Serbian Orthodox Church in the Empire.[citation needed]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_Serbia#Other

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Vlachs

It is clear that Vlachs are romanized Balkan natives (Thracians, Illyrians) and that Serbs are by anthropology and genetics Balkan natives as well. Natives greatly outnumbered new coming Slavs that it is safe to assume that it would have taken centuries to fully Slavonize Romanized natives (who later resurface under the name of Vlachs).

Vlachs

Vlachs, referring to pastoralists, was a common name for Serbs in the Ottoman Empire and later.[5]

Tihomir Đorđević points to the already mentioned fact that the name 'Vlach' didn't only refer to genuine Vlachs, but also to cattle breeders in general.[5] A letter of Emperor Ferdinand, sent on November 6, 1538, to Croatian ban Petar Keglević, in which he wrote "Captains and dukes of the Rasians, or the Serbs, or the Vlachs, who usually call themselves the Serbs".[5] Serbs that took refuge in the Habsburg Krajina, were called "Vlachs" by Croats.[5] In the work "About the Vlachs" from 1806, Metropolitan Stevan Stratimirović states that Roman Catholics from Croatia and Slavonia scornfully used the name 'Vlach' for "the Slovenians (Slavs) and Serbs, who are of our, Eastern confession (Orthodoxy)", and that "the Turks in Bosnia and Serbia also call every Bosnian or Serbian Christian a Vlach (T. Đorđević, 1984:110). That the name 'Vlach' used to signify the Serbs is testified by Vuk Karadžić as well, who quotes the poem sang by Turkish women: "A couple of Vlachs came passing by, with powder in their pumpkins". In "Serbian Dictionary" itself, under the word 'Vlach', the above mentioned assertion is confirmed, as well as in many other proverbs recorded by Vuk.[5]

5# ^ a b c d e f facta.junis.ni.ac.rs/pas/pas2003/pas2003-02.pdf

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_Serbia#Vlachs

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CONCLUSION: NAME SERB IS DERIVED FROM TRIBALLI AND IS FULLY NON-SLAVIC IN ORIGIN. COMPARE SRBALJ ( Σέρβλοι (Servloi/Serbloi) is what has been recorded also by De Administrando Imperio which sounds like Srblji and one being called Srbalj) WITH TRIBAL. Similarities with Surbi (ancestors of Sorbs) or Sarmatian Serboi are therefore coincidental.

[gavrilo]

That is an interesting thing to know. I doubt that most serbs even know that.

[rex362]

Tribali...Dalmat ...Thrac ... ....ahhahahahahahahaha

[Emperor AAdmin]

Of course I will find my self highly surprised ;D if Albanians do not find this assessment
(where sRBALjI=tRiBALI) to their liking.

Rexxy should I be highly surprised?

;D ;D

[rex362]

Jan 24, 2011 15:43:08 GMT -5 rex362 said:

Tribali...Dalmat ...Thrac ... ....ahhahahahahahahaha

those 3 words are each understandable in Albanian by a 4 year old


and is being a Slav a bad word ?

[Emperor AAdmin]

(Greek) Etimology of the word Thrace covered bellow

-Thrace/Θράκη (Thrakis/Θράσης=Audacity)(region)(page 44)
(*=source is Antonije Skokljev - "Bogovi Olimpa Iz Srbije" or "Olymbic gods are from Serbia" by A.S.)
www.scribd.com/doc/44020703/Antonije-Skokljev-Bogovi-Olimpa-Iz-Srbije

[Emperor AAdmin]

(Greek) Etimology of the word Triball covered bellow

-Triballi/Trivalli /Τριβαλλοί (Triv(b)i/Τριβή=Trained+V(b)oli/Βολει=Throwing)(tribe)(page 40)
(*=source is Antonije Skokljev - "Bogovi Olimpa Iz Srbije" or "Olymbic gods are from Serbia" by A.S.)
www.scribd.com/doc/44020703/Antonije-Skokljev-Bogovi-Olimpa-Iz-Srbije

[roflcopterlanding]

The application of classical names to "newer" peoples by consideration of geography was a well-known Byzantine practice. Papazoglu (The central balkan tribes in pre-Roman times) summarizes the various theories and connections proposed for the name of the Triballians (around 4-5 ;D).

[Croatian Vanguard]

Very interesting AAdmin. Almost all of the same names are used for Croats as well in particular Slavonian and Dalmatian and even Avar. The Serb , Croat , and Bulgarian names are also not of Slavic origin.

[Croatian Vanguard]

CONCLUSION: NAME SERB IS DERIVED FROM TRIBALLI AND IS FULLY NON-SLAVIC IN ORIGIN. COMPARE SRBALJ ( Σέρβλοι (Servloi/Serbloi) is what has been recorded also by De Administrando Imperio which sounds like Srblji and one being called Srbalj) WITH TRIBAL. Similarities with Surbi (ancestors of Sorbs) or Sarmatian Serboi are therefore coincidental.


This is a stretch and ill-found conclusion I'm afraid. I think there is a strong historical and anthropological link between the ancestors of the Sorbs and the Balkan Serbs and its likely they hailed from a predominately Slavic area very near the modern day Sorb population. The Iranian link is more sketchy but yields some merit especially in the case of Croats but it seems more credible than a Balkan origin for the names/tribes of Serbs or Croats.

The De Administrando Imperio also offers two alternate sources of origin for the Serbs. The Emperor first describes the Serbs hailing from a region up north close to the Croats also called Serbia which suggests a non-Balkan origin. Then the Emperor insists that the Serbs are an amalgamation of nameless peoples that are enslaved or in servitude to the 'Romans' with no particular tribal origin. So take your pick.

[Caslav Klonimirovic]

This is just more craziness from Admin. Poorly backed up , ignorant of other information and simply doesn't make sense. sRBALjI=tRiBAL. What the hell? They sound nothing alike. Here are some of the variants of what Serbs referred to them selves: Serbski, Srbi, Srbin, Srbljem. To break it down for you Admin: Always an "S" to begin with. Sometimes in the early charters an E came next. We actually lost the second E over time. Next, always a B unless it was in reference to our languange in which a "P" was used (eg Srpski, Srpsci, Srpskom). Alfter the "B" I guess you have the declension variants dependent on context. The main corruption of what I have said above comes in the form of an exonym were Serb becomes Serv.

Anyway, the Triballi heartland is moreso Bulgaria-eastern Serbia. This does not correspond to anywhere near the Serbian heartland which you are best off looking for in Rascia.

Jan 24, 2011 17:32:49 GMT -5 Croatian Vanguard said:

This is a stretch and ill-found conclusion I'm afraid. I think there is a strong historical and anthropological link between the ancestors of the Sorbs and the Balkan Serbs and its likely they hailed from a predominately Slavic area very near the modern day Sorb population. The Iranian link is more sketchy but yields some merit especially in the case of Croats but it seems more credible than a Balkan origin for the names/tribes of Serbs or Croats.

The fact that Croats, Serbs & Bulgarians can all trace to non-Balkanic (possible Iranic origins) encourages those theories. And it must be an epic coincidence that another slavic people in Germany call themselves Serbs.

[drinus123]

lol, I found the ancestors of serbs

Triballi >> Srbal >> Kirpal

makes sense?

[terroreign]

Admin you're quite off with this one. Indeed all those names were used to describe the Serbs however not "earlier" or "later". In all documents they were always called Serbs, but sometimes another name would be thrown in to describe a certain set of Serbs in an area.

"Vlachs" in the context of the Serbs was to describe Serbs who lived the Pastoral life, the term Vlah once defined romance-speaking people however with time came to define all people living this lifestyle in the balkans.

"Dalmatians" Serbs living in the region of Dalmatia/Illyria, nothing extraordinary.
"Illyrians" interchangable with Dalmatians, both these names were used by the Romans to refer to the western Balkans.

"Rascians" One of the early Serb states was called "Rascia" thus Serbs of this state were also called Rascians. "Rasca" is believed to be of Old Iranic Serb origin, the Iranic name for the Volga river. In modern Georgian, the Volga is called "Rashki".

"Triballians" are believed to be the slaviziced Thracian tribes who due to Slavicization into the Serbs, were sometimes used interchangeably with them.

"Servians" was a common early mispelling of Serbian by the Romans and the Greeks, specifically by the Greeks since they would pronounce their "B"'s like "V"'s, Romans generally would copy whatever Greeks did, and then since it's coincidental similarities in Latin a few Romans claimed certain debunked origins. Similarly the Greeks called the Sarmatians "Sauromatae" which was simply a Greek corruption of the name, in order to make it translate into Greek.

[Emperor AAdmin]

The cultural treasury of Serbia

Jovan Janićijević - 1998 - 641 pages - Snippet view (page 12)

The Moesians and the Triballi, the closest relatives of the Dardans, have also left visible traces in the history and ... that some learned Byzantine writers believed their name - Triballi - to have been the original name of the Serbs. ...

books.google.com/books?id=rHYMAQAAMAAJ&q=serbs+as+triballi&dq=serbs+as+triballi&hl=en&ei=SS0-Taf5GY_4gAfG14HMCA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&sqi=2&ved=0CDAQ6AEwAw

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Car Dusan crowned in Skopje as "Emperor of the Romans and of the Triballi"

Turkey old and new:
historical, geographical and statistical: Volume 1 - Page 68

Mrs. Elizabeth Stone - 1880 - Full view
(1333), who was very near replacing the Greek by a Serb Empire, rendering abortive the Ottoman power, and thereby changing ... Emperor of the Romans and of the Triballi, and conceived the project of destroying the Empire of the East. ...

books.google.com/books?id=ySAhTaFknIEC&pg=PA68&dq=serbs+as+triballi&hl=en&ei=Gy8-TbO6F8zegQervNyKCQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CC4Q6AEwAzgK#v=onepage&q=serbs%20as%20triballi&f=false

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Decline and fall of Byzantium to the Ottoman Turks

Ducas, Harry J. Magoulias - 1975 - 346 pages - Snippet view (page 60)

Since he now held practically all the lands of the Romans, he advanced to the Triballi [Serbs] . 17 He destroyed many of their fortresses and towns and took their inhabitants captive; he then transported them to the Asiatic shore over ...

books.google.com/books?id=rPkcAAAAYAAJ&q=serbs+as+triballi&dq=serbs+as+triballi&hl=en&ei=gjE-TcH3EIeRgQfQ8ZWkCA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=10&ved=0CEwQ6AEwCTg8

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Zora dalmatinska: Volumes 4-6 - Page 19
No cover image

1847 - Full view
Ako u imenu Triballi misto t ... ime Triballi, okrenuli za ... iz imena Serb, ali Serbin grad ( od ...

Gnjizdo Serblah, po sudu Mate Katancjcha (De Istro, c. 7. n. 4<i.) nigdi se bolje netraxi, Jto u derxavam, u kojima se nahode danajnji Servianci. U onim stranam najslarii stanovnici bihu Dardani, i Triballi koji skupnim imenom poslie bihu prozvani Mizi. Od Triballah pije Strabo (Geogr. I. VII.) da su imali veliki prostor od petnaest diinah hoda, koji se spruva od Agrianah, tia do Istra, Mili Dunaja. Ptolomeo (I. III. Geogr. c. 10.) postavlja iste Triballe a daljnju Meziu, tlako, <lc je sva prilika, da su oni pribivali u prostoru dana Jnjc Servie, i Bulgarie od istočila Moravc do vrat a li Cibarice rike.

Najpervi, koi je ime Triballah u pismu zabili.vcno ostavio, po mnenjii Katancjclia, biaje Gercki pismar Aristofanes, koi je xivio oko 310 god. od sagradjenja Rima, najzadnji biaje Stefan, i Cedren, koi Triballe joj imenuje god. 1054, od njih jedna stranka kroz Skordiske, s kojima boj bije, uzbiena prama zapadu umija se u blixnje Hervate, a drugi dil ode priko Dunaja u Bogdansku ka Gepidim starim Ilircim. Appiau od istih Triballah pije, da su u vrime Filipa, i njegova sina Aleksandra Velikoga moguc.hi bili, a u danas tako su izcesnuli, da se od njih ne ima drugo, nego samo ime. Oni su i pak xivili do vrimena Stefanova, koi je po sudu učenih pod Anastasiom cesarom oko godine 495 pisao. Slelan Bizantinski nje nazivlje narodom Ilirskim, ali zato nemove se reehi, da njima i njihovo vlastito ime nepristojaJe u ono isto vrime, kad bihu, i Iliri s ostalim prozvani. Zaisto u onim istim dencavam malo kasnie ukazali su se na jednom Serbli, koje su nikoji Miže i Triballe zvali. Zonara Bulgarce zove Miže a Bontiny vekjinom Serble nazivlje Triballe. Dakle Serbli jesu isti Triballi 9

books.google.com/books?id=KXJXAAAAMAAJ&pg=RA1-PA19&dq=serbs+as+triballi&hl=en&ei=DTI-TYSSG8TcgQeAsYScCA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6&ved=0CD0Q6AEwBThG#v=onepage&q&f=false

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Title: The Serbian state in the work of Byzantine historian Doucas
Author: Nikolić Maja

The Serbs were often called Triballi by Byzantine authors. For the fourteenth century writers Pachymeres, Gregoras, Metochites and Kantakouzenos the Serbs were Triballi. However, Pachymeres and Gregoras refer to the rulers of the Triballi as the rulers of Serbia. Fifteenth century writers, primarily Chalcondyles and Critobulos, use only that name. It seems, nevertheless, that Doucas makes a distinction between the Triballi and the Serbs. As it is known, the conquest of the Serbian lands by the Turks began after the battle on the river Marica in 1371. By 1387. the Turks had mastered Serres(1388) Bitola and Štip (1385), Sofia (1385), Niš (1386) and several other towns. Thus parts of Macedonia, Bulgaria and even of Serbia proper were reduced by the Turks by 1387. For Doucas, however, this is the territory inhabited by the Triballi. After the exposition of the events on Kosovo, Doucas inserts an account of the dispute of John Kantakouzenos and the regency on behalf of John V, which had taken place, as it is known, long before 1389. At the beginning of his description of the civil war, Doucas says that by dividing the empire Kantakouzenos made it possible for the Turks to devastate not only all the lands under Roman rule, but also the territories of the Triballi Moesians and Albanians and other western peoples.

webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:9pz5aF6i7psJ:www.doaj.org/doaj%3Ffunc%3Dabstract%26id%3D632253+original+Title+of+Emperor+Dusan+Triballi&cd=7&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

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[Emperor AAdmin]

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PS: Interesting how Serdi (what does that remind me of?) and Triballi are very close to each other.

[Emperor AAdmin]

De administrando imperio 32.
'Serbs' in the tongue of the Romans is the word for 'slaves', whence the colloquial 'serbula' for menial shoes, and 'tzerboulianoi' for those who wear cheap, shoddy footgear. This name the Serbs acquired from their being slaves of the emperor of the Romans.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Serbs#Nemanyid_Serbia

I wrote earlier:

IDEA: I am stating that it might be reasonable to postulate that the last name, Servians, could also be derived from non-Slavic origin. Byzantines were the ones who came up with the name in their records. The name often (if not always) appears to has been written as Servia versus any other derivative of this name early on. It might sound logical to postulate that Byzantines would call this population SERVians. Reason for that is that they were indeed SERVants of the Orthodox God imported from Byzantines.

So it appears it is either Srbalj=Tribal or Serb=Servant as far as the origins of the name itself go as far as the Byzantines sources are concerned.

[Username]

lol

[terroreign]

Admin, the Romans did not name the Serbs please don't post that blasphemy especially in such a confident manner.

[Croatian Vanguard]

Jan 25, 2011 0:23:18 GMT -5 Emperor AAdmin said:

De administrando imperio 32.
'Serbs' in the tongue of the Romans is the word for 'slaves', whence the colloquial 'serbula' for menial shoes, and 'tzerboulianoi' for those who wear cheap, shoddy footgear. This name the Serbs acquired from their being slaves of the emperor of the Romans.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Serbs#Nemanyid_Serbia

I wrote earlier:

IDEA: I am stating that it might be reasonable to postulate that the last name, Servians, could also be derived from non-Slavic origin. Byzantines were the ones who came up with the name in their records. The name often (if not always) appears to has been written as Servia versus any other derivative of this name early on. It might sound logical to postulate that Byzantines would call this population SERVians. Reason for that is that they were indeed SERVants of the Orthodox God imported from Byzantines.

So it appears it is either Srbalj=Tribal or Serb=Servant as far as the origins of the name itself go as far as the Byzantines sources are concerned.

Well the only conclusion you can draw from this postulation is that let's say you are correct and the Serb name didn't even originate from the Serbs but rather as a pejorative for Tribalians and perhaps some other native people put into servitude for the 'Romans' ( Byzantines) then a 'Serb' or 'Serv' is nothing more than a rung on the 'Roman' caste ladder. Has anyone ever done any serious research into this. I must admit it is sure humbling in comparison to the more radical ideas of Serb 'genesis' i.e. almost all of Serbia's neighbors occupy some part of Serbia that actually isn't Serbia today and that they are all Serbs..

Of course your theory has to still explain seeming pattern of migration of people called Serbs north of the Balkans. I don't think ' coincidence' does it pure justice since we do have historical sources pointing to the existence of Croats and Serbs in their pre-Balkan homeland and 7-10th century accounts suggest their migration south into the present Balkans. But hey , I do like that you're thinking outside the box and your sources at least confirm once peace of the puzzle, Serb was possibly a nick name for Tribalian but it doesn't explain whether Serbs from outside of the Balkans maybe just intermixed with these people or not.

[Novus Dis]

The "Tribillians" were obviously assimilated by the Serbs at some point, most probably during Dusan's rule. And the reason why the word Servian is used is because of a mistranslation as a result of V being pronounced like a B in the Serbian language. You're all amateurs.