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Post by uz on Mar 4, 2011 19:24:18 GMT -5
A union were the head leader, is switched every 4 years in rotation. Open borders accross the land, geographically. One banking system and currency. One millitary and army. The youth learn all the languages of the balkans. Religion and state, remain complete seperate.
What do you think?
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Post by ulf on Mar 4, 2011 20:50:17 GMT -5
simply no
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Post by uz on Mar 4, 2011 22:07:55 GMT -5
Why simply?
If all the nations work together, within a larger room, the Balkans can become a power house.
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Post by emer on Mar 4, 2011 23:01:08 GMT -5
Unions never work in the long run. If you don't have hate and division for your fellow man you will not continue to exist as an ethnicity. I would go as far as to say that even within an ethnicity the elite subgroup needs to rule over the other subgroups who don't know better, even if they are the majority. It's just how the world works, none of that NWO bs.
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Post by laughingriever on Mar 5, 2011 5:51:19 GMT -5
It could never work for the whole Balkan, no matter how noble the intentions or how great the benefits.
We are and will always be just a dysfunctional family, almost as bad the middle east and hopefully never as bad as africa.
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Mar 5, 2011 10:57:59 GMT -5
This is not much different from a (1) girl somewhat pissed off saying she is done (1= balkanoids influenced by recent wars) and then changing her mind only to (2) call you next morning (2=next generation of balkanoids all of a sudden start perceiving each other as practically one). We are at the stage 1 still so this is just an echo of the 1990s that will surely diminish with time and turn into 2 (due to internet if for no other reason) within 20-30 years. This is of course conditional to my balkanoid maimuns being wise enough to avoid inter-fighting for that duration which means ones which have nothing constructive to say on all sides need to be marginalized.
Union is bound to happen for without it the statelets will be no more.
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Post by rusebg on Mar 5, 2011 11:59:27 GMT -5
A Balkan Union is about to happen when rabbits start hunting wolves. Or when Pazar learns Serbian, i.e, unforseeable future.
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Post by srbobran on Mar 5, 2011 13:54:06 GMT -5
Yea I'd have to agree with Ruse. I don't think anyone in the Balkans wants another union and I just can't realistically happening given our history and our mentality.
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Post by uz on Mar 5, 2011 16:58:29 GMT -5
How far can we accel, if division is the only way.
Take a look at the reality, we can all technically hop from one border to another, enter a complete different world in a sense, and be back home for dinner.
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Post by insomniac on Mar 5, 2011 17:25:08 GMT -5
Well given how Yugoslavia failed. I don't think there is an appetite. Among other balkan nations for a new union.
Personally, I prefer Albania a union with Kosovo. i.e internal integration instead of external integration.
There is so much we can learn from each other.
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Post by uz on Mar 5, 2011 17:28:32 GMT -5
I referred to what you are saying in another thread.
Outside influences have been present in the Balkans for a very long time, trying to control the peoples.
We as the people from the Balkans, allowed these intruders to direct our energy, and thoughts to oblivion. The Balkan region is the richest in resources of all of Europe.
Isn't quite apparent, how perhaps we were meant to be handicapped?
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Post by insomniac on Mar 5, 2011 17:36:12 GMT -5
Wishful dream my friend that could end in a nightmare(yugoslavia). I prefer a union with Kosovo because it's something that would work. In the end similar people, language and most important similar goals.
A balkan union? not the same.,,
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Post by uz on Mar 5, 2011 17:40:02 GMT -5
How can a Union with kosovo work? When you know very well of the damaging effects that will occur.
What economy does Kosovo have? What has Pacolli promised?
Does Albania even have a stable enough government to handle kosovo? They obviously have problems handling their own issues.
It seems that you are a wishful thinker, with no strong premise for a definite conclusion.
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Post by insomniac on Mar 5, 2011 17:47:04 GMT -5
A Balkan Union which you are proposing will most likely lead to region wide Balkan War.
All those questions you highlighted can be solved. I sense some negative energy coming from you.
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Post by emer on Mar 5, 2011 17:55:04 GMT -5
uz don't worry thanks to the internet not only the balkans but everyone is getting too close.....I don't like this at all. It's just not natural for divisions not to exist because without them ethnicities and religions cannot exist. The balkans need outside influence because the majority of the populations there (in this I include Albanians) are animals with no vision.
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Post by uz on Mar 5, 2011 17:56:41 GMT -5
You think the Serbs and Greeks will sit with smiles on their face while this segregated Union of your's grows? lol - I sense immaturity. I am probably wasting my time talking to you. At the same time, you think Albanians with sit back with smiles, while Kosovo gets runned down by Serbs? How about the greeks? The situation in the Balkans, is a lot more complicated than you think. You only look at this from 1 view, I have seen it from ALL views.
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Post by emer on Mar 5, 2011 18:01:51 GMT -5
I don't care what Greeks and Serbs do, I just care about my own opinions and beliefs Lol. It may sound immature but no one can do anything if they consider all the negatives, which will always exist, just like divisions.
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Post by insomniac on Mar 5, 2011 18:03:19 GMT -5
I used to be a firm believer in a Balkan union(see my previous posts). But I have realized with time it's probably not a good idea. What makes you think this union will work? All you said is "outside influences wont let us be". That is not very reassuring. Outside influences will be there in the future as well. What does that mean? Whereas, Albania in a union with Kosovo is not about running down Serbs or Greeks or Romanians or X factor. It is about achieved internal integration of people who share a lot of similarities.
You sense immaturity because you don't like my views. You asked the question.
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Post by uz on Mar 5, 2011 18:05:33 GMT -5
I don't care what Greeks and Serbs do, I just care about my own opinions and beliefs Lol. It may sound immature but no one can do anything if they consider all the negatives, which will always exist, just like divisions. Ok, so I dont know what you want me to say. I am an optimist/realist, you're a pessimist/dreamer. What can we end up agreeing on? Ziltch......
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Post by uz on Mar 5, 2011 18:07:13 GMT -5
The people of the Balkans have had their strings pulled for a long time.
Where do you think the hate that is amongst us came from? And if this "hate" is so real, then how come there is so many of us that see past ethnicity?
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