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Post by najpos on Jan 2, 2012 1:52:54 GMT -5
I support this Union and i think its a great idea but i think Nationalism will destroy it just like the Yugosloavian Union. Yes... Yugoslav nationalism destroyed the Yugsloavian Union...lol With thinking like this^ why bother even post in this thread? I see the ad-hominem but not the counter-argument. What did destroy Yugoslavia, Uz?
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Post by uz on Jan 2, 2012 12:43:06 GMT -5
Let's be honest. What do you care what I think?
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Post by uz on Jan 2, 2012 12:52:00 GMT -5
and najpos, try to sniff out sarcasm a little better seems you missed it in my previous post you quoted.
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Post by najpos on Jan 2, 2012 13:32:29 GMT -5
and najpos, try to sniff out sarcasm a little better seems you missed it in my previous post you quoted. I didn't notice the very well-veiled sarcasm in your post, Uz. How do you do that? You would have thought I would have answered differently if I had thought you were serious. Really though, Uz; what did destroy Yugoslavia if not nationalism?
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Post by uz on Jan 2, 2012 14:21:12 GMT -5
and najpos, try to sniff out sarcasm a little better seems you missed it in my previous post you quoted. I didn't notice the very well-veiled sarcasm in your post, Uz. How do you do that? Quite simply actually. You can try not to pre-assume and read word for word what the post says. If you really want to know my opinion on the Yugo disolution you should find my old posts, not in the mood for this circle-dance.
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Post by najpos on Jan 2, 2012 17:36:53 GMT -5
I didn't notice the very well-veiled sarcasm in your post, Uz. How do you do that? Quite simply actually. You can try not to pre-assume and read word for word what the post says. If you really want to know my opinion on the Yugo disolution you should find my old posts, not in the mood for this circle-dance. Implying reading comprehensions when there are none, nice work, Uz. Obviously I can't be bothered to find your old posts when it's much easier for you to tell me the reason(s?) for the dissolution of Yugoslavia. If you were so confident that Valmir was wrong, why can't you just simply prove him wrong by enlightening us?
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Post by uz on Jan 2, 2012 17:51:52 GMT -5
You seem to know already where I stand, and seem hyped for some quality debate time. Love those, don't get me wrong... but the topic/subject is exhausting concidering that it's obvious where it'll go.
Really? This is what I originally said;
Anyone who would read this (slowly mind you) would catch my drift.
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Post by missanthropology58 on Jan 2, 2012 18:33:14 GMT -5
I didn't notice the very well-veiled sarcasm in your post, Uz. How do you do that? Quite simply actually. You can try not to pre-assume and read word for word what the post says. If you really want to know my opinion on the Yugo disolution you should find my old posts, not in the mood for this circle-dance. Lol square dance you mean.
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Post by uz on Jan 2, 2012 18:41:40 GMT -5
No, I mean circle... that's how this sort of debate goes.
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Post by missanthropology58 on Jan 2, 2012 18:53:03 GMT -5
No, I mean circle... that's how this sort of debate goes. Attachments:
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Post by valmir on Jan 19, 2012 13:40:53 GMT -5
I never said YU Nationalism destroyed YU,The Nationalism of nations in YU destroyed it.In YU Serbs had almost the same way of thinking like Hitler ,they thought they are Superior in comparison other nations in YU.
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Post by uz on Jan 19, 2012 14:19:41 GMT -5
I never said YU Nationalism destroyed YU,The Nationalism of nations in YU destroyed it.In YU Serbs had almost the same way of thinking like Hitler ,they thought they are Superior in comparison other nations in YU. That's a very imaginitive comparassant, did the schools in Pristina teach you that? They probably have coloring books for 5 year olds depicting Serbs as the boogeymen am I right? You speak irony since it was the Croats who were actually practicing Nazi-SS methods during the 90's, not all, but large amount. You're probably talking about "greater" Serbia, ignorant to the fact that it's a myth created by the west. Maybe you're talking about the supposed genocide? Well nothing was proving, mass killings sure, but on all sides mind you. In fact there is evidence that support the fact that Serbs were victims of genocide. Anyway nationalism alone ignited the conflict, but major outer-influences pro-longed it and made it become the disaster it didn't need to be. Eventually the "natiolist" aspect would have died off, all sides were instilling fear into their people about being "exterminated" by the "enemy", and that their identity was at stake, this wasn't true and in time the people would have figured this out.
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Post by valmir on Jan 20, 2012 4:58:33 GMT -5
That's a very imaginitive comparassant, did the schools in Pristina teach you that? They probably have coloring books for 5 year olds depicting Serbs as the boogeymen am I right? I learned these things in Macedonia. In fact there is evidence that support the fact that Serbs were victims of genocide. Sorry but i have to ;D
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Jan 20, 2012 13:15:15 GMT -5
Ya in the same way your coloring books depict Croats as boogeymen. lol
Cuz look at your next retarded comment:
What 'Nazi SS' methods do you speak of ? Are you trying to be an idiot or do you really believe this nonsense?
Majority of Croats voted democratically for a pro-Croatian republic in their own country. Yet this is a SS-Gestapo-Nazi method?
Funny you mention irony since you find all the compassion in your heart for the Serb minority of Croatia but zilch for the Albanians of Serbia( Kosovo).
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Post by uz on Jan 20, 2012 16:27:33 GMT -5
I am only saying that ustasa was present during the wars and they did follow Nazi theories/protocols, I am not talking about the reg Croat people who supported independance this is completely different (no idea how you put the two together), not all were necessarily supportive of Usatsa, I tired to make that clear in the part of my sentence you ommited in my quote.
Just b/c I mention ustasa all of sudden you jump in defensive-mode and claim that I feel all the compassion for the Serbs in Croatia and zero for the Croats during the wars? It's a shame if you really think that.
and valmir... that's right don't even bother.
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Jan 21, 2012 3:03:33 GMT -5
I am only saying that ustasa was present during the wars and they did follow Nazi theories/protocols, I am not talking about the reg Croat people who supported independance this is completely different (no idea how you put the two together), not all were necessarily supportive of Usatsa, I tired to make that clear in the part of my sentence you ommited in my quote. Just b/c I mention ustasa all of sudden you jump in defensive-mode and claim that I feel all the compassion for the Serbs in Croatia and zero for the Croats during the wars? It's a shame if you really think that. and valmir... that's right don't even bother. "I'm only saying....." meh , bullcrap. You tried to slip in some big time nonsense there thinking nobody would really care since , let's face it, I'm the one Croat on this Albano-Serbian forum ( sprinkled with some Greeks). You have your decades mixed up. Too much propaganda from Belgrade and Zagreb really distorted peoples' perception of reality and you are no exception. Let me guess ... I think I know why you cry Ustasa at Croatians ... The very little coverage the foreign media has on Croats ( aside from some flashy tourism) is of diaspora Croatians or Dinamo/Hajduk goons wearing blackshirts , singing ustasa songs , all the young hairbrained ultranationalism that is associated with it and you go 'ah hah , you see , these are the majority of Croats.' Personally I don't care. There were very little real Ustase or Cetniks in the last war , just Serbs and Croats with different viewpoints that were willing to use military force to back up their point. Most Croats actually wouldn't have a problem 'sharing' some of the guilt with Serbs except for one major difference , the war was fought in Croatia and why most Croats will never trust Serbs , ever. I'm not one of those but get your facts straight , mister.
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Post by uz on Jan 21, 2012 12:08:27 GMT -5
I am only saying that ustasa was present during the wars and they did follow Nazi theories/protocols, I am not talking about the reg Croat people who supported independance this is completely different (no idea how you put the two together), not all were necessarily supportive of Usatsa, I tired to make that clear in the part of my sentence you ommited in my quote. Just b/c I mention ustasa all of sudden you jump in defensive-mode and claim that I feel all the compassion for the Serbs in Croatia and zero for the Croats during the wars? It's a shame if you really think that. and valmir... that's right don't even bother. "I'm only saying....." meh , bullcrap. You tried to slip in some big time nonsense there thinking nobody would really care since , let's face it, I'm the one Croat on this Albano-Serbian forum ( sprinkled with some Greeks). You have your decades mixed up. Too much propaganda from Belgrade and Zagreb really distorted peoples' perception of reality and you are no exception. Let me guess ... I think I know why you cry Ustasa at Croatians ... The very little coverage the foreign media has on Croats ( aside from some flashy tourism) is of diaspora Croatians or Dinamo/Hajduk goons wearing blackshirts , singing ustasa songs , all the young hairbrained ultranationalism that is associated with it and you go 'ah hah , you see , these are the majority of Croats.' Personally I don't care. There were very little real Ustase or Cetniks in the last war , just Serbs and Croats with different viewpoints that were willing to use military force to back up their point. Most Croats actually wouldn't have a problem 'sharing' some of the guilt with Serbs except for one major difference , the war was fought in Croatia and why most Croats will never trust Serbs , ever. I'm not one of those but get your facts straight , mister. ummm... ok, so all this ^ is for me right? hahah You don't need to get all overly sensitive just b/c I mention ustasa, i can understand the fragility but wtf... its 2012 now right. I don't care about it anymore and neither should you. Anyway I know the only reason you posted was to couter the Ustasa comment with some over-induced ranting..... and what "facts" are you talking about mister? I would love to know what you think I know...lol and since you're into purposeless-debate please share....
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Post by as on Feb 3, 2012 0:02:01 GMT -5
a balkan union would be great, only i don't see it happening now becuaese of economic reasons and such. Would countries like Greece have thier debt lumped on the new union or wiped clean. Cuz if it's the latter thier will be a shitstorm of resistance from western countries.
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