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Post by uz on Mar 9, 2011 14:12:35 GMT -5
Americans are united because they're crippled together. They're obsession to a lifestyle is by no means nationalism. Immigrants who give into the "american-dream", don't necessarily betray their nationalities they have just chosen a new lifestyle. It's a form of nationalism. Anyway, what is your alternative to nationalism? You can't just have millions of people hold hands and sing kumbaya. A good example of the dangers of not having nationalism, is that Hitler and those people he targeted were not nationalist in the true sense. In the other thread you said you don't follow Turkish politics but you want a Balkan Union? This to me, shows your hidden racism because at least a part of Turkey is in the Balkans and you didn't even think to include them. You have this idea of a tree-hugging society, lol. You can by all means embrace your culture; the main thing this Union is asking for is for you to extend your embrace, to the entire region. We can be proud of who we are, and where we came from, but let’s be even more proud of where we are headed together. I am not a dictator, I am not going to dictate who joins and who doesn’t, this is the will of the people. If the Turkish people want to join, and the Balkan people are accepting, then why not? Me not being knowledgeable in Turkish politics, doesn’t mean I am a racist. Your last attempt to take a punch at me, wasn’t effective at all, it didn’t even make sense.
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Post by uz on Mar 9, 2011 14:18:09 GMT -5
EMER;
The obsession americans have with Hollywood, bling bling, fakeness in beauty, obesity, ignorance etc... is NOT nationalism.
This obsession has gone beyond the North American boundaries. You can find it everywhere. In fact in some places in the world, it's even more extreme than in America. Do you understand the difference?
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Post by emer on Mar 9, 2011 20:09:30 GMT -5
Some of you here suffer from selective reading!!!!!! I wrote nationalism is a way of keeping people organized at least twice!!! Nationalism is a way of keeping order so when war breaks out (which always will) you won't have another Hitler blame the Jews for all the problems, and because the Jews had no real sense of nationalism no one defended them!!! As for Italy, they had a lot of economic problems, which was the real cause of those wars. Besides you can't always compare the past with today. People didn't have enough food in the past, and if you think that has nothing to do with nationalism you're an idiot. Read anything that was written from the 19th century or earlier, and every happy theme in the book almost always includes a feast because people thought of food all the time, because they didn't have enough of it! Today there is enough food except in Africa, where they have no real sense of nationalism but more of tribal pride. You have to keep people fed, but when they're fed they want more, so you keep them happy by making them think they're worth something even if they're not, or they'll kill you, or kill each other. That's what nationalism does, it makes people believe in something "greater than themselves". It gives them a purpose. What do you think keeps the European Union together? The Euro, a dislike and fear of Russia, and a contempt for US foreign policies. In other words, competition. Competition keeps the cycle of of life going.
Any response I get after this will just be argument for the sake of arguing because there's no way anyone here can top this lol. I mean I can write about the importance of farting and make it sound interesting and convincing.
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Post by uz on Mar 9, 2011 20:55:52 GMT -5
You haven't adressed what you meant by "American-nationalism".
Besides, everything you mentioned above is ONE side of the coin. You are right for the most part, but you cannot simply disregard the other side.
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Post by emer on Mar 9, 2011 20:57:32 GMT -5
I named all possible sides of the coin. You just have selective reading.
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Post by uz on Mar 10, 2011 20:21:20 GMT -5
I understand your position on "nationalism", but it does not take away the fact "we" created it, in order to differentiate people from one another. In other words; Not natural to our nature.
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Post by uz on Mar 10, 2011 20:49:57 GMT -5
Think of it this way; A chessboard is “country” in which the black pieces and white pieces live.
This situation is, as it always was; Black peices vs White peices.
Now say a new-born white pawn were to be born. This pawn is automatically destined to battle against the black pawns, protecting his king and queen.
From the “players” view (you)- taking in account your not playing the game, just watching the events take place. - You see that this white pawn, was born into this world (the chessboard) without having any choice. He must fight against the black pawn (without knowing or questioning the legitimacy of this century old battle) risk his life and protect the royals at ANY cost. Being the outsider observing this, can you say these events or this situation is legitimate?
This pawn was born, without previous education on this century old battle. This pawn wasn’t able to balance out the evidence to see who is “more right” than the other. This pawn had NO choice, into which identity he will be carrying for the rest of his life.
Does it make sense for this pawn, to risk his life for a cause he didn’t really have a choice partaking in?
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Post by terroreign on Mar 10, 2011 22:41:09 GMT -5
Uz...do you feel like a pawn?
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Post by uz on Mar 11, 2011 1:55:25 GMT -5
My country does n;t really effect me emotionally anymore. I am proud of her legacy's and shamed by the mistakes. I will always appreciate where I came from, and have a certain love for my city. But my country, my ethnicity is not everything of what I am.
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Post by uz on Mar 11, 2011 2:27:37 GMT -5
How about you, Krivos? Do you feel like a pawn?
How would you answer my previous questions, above (in bold)?
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Post by stumpy on Mar 14, 2011 4:32:40 GMT -5
I am the third generation to be born in Australia on my dads side , my mum is an aussie . My great grandpa rants moved here from Greece . I do not want muslims or africans her at all , I consider my self a nationalist . Call me racist , if you like
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Post by ngadhnjyesi on Mar 14, 2011 12:43:44 GMT -5
I am the third generation to be born in Australia on my dads side , my mum is an aussie . My great grandpa rants moved here from Greece . I do not want muslims or africans her at all , I consider my self a nationalist . Call me racist , if you like I'm sure the Australians felt the same way about your grandparents. I won't call you a racist (Greeks are not that much different racially from muslims or Africans) but I can surely call you a hypocrite.
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Post by ILIRI I MADH on Mar 14, 2011 21:39:07 GMT -5
Some of you have wishfull thinking, even thou nationalism is bad it still exists, so taking it away from your mind can hurt you. Nationalism is good for one nations survival if there is no nationalism there wouldnt be no albania serbia greece macedonia croatia etc.
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Post by uz on Mar 14, 2011 21:40:37 GMT -5
^ where would the countries disapear to
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Post by stumpy on Mar 15, 2011 2:23:51 GMT -5
I am the third generation to be born in Australia on my dads side , my mum is an aussie . My great grandpa rants moved here from Greece . I do not want muslims or africans her at all , I consider my self a nationalist . Call me racist , if you like I'm sure the Australians felt the same way about your grandparents. I won't call you a racist (Greeks are not that much different racially from muslims or Africans) but I can surely call you a hypocrite. Look up Greek D.N.A no african at all , maybe a bit of middle east if you are from the south , my family are not
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Post by terroreign on Mar 17, 2011 1:59:35 GMT -5
Ironic that Einstein says that, and yet he was a zealous Jew.
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Post by uz on Mar 19, 2011 20:04:32 GMT -5
I heard he was married to a Serb and all "his" ideas were actually hers. lol
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Apr 2, 2011 11:07:32 GMT -5
Curse of the Balkans used by western powers to further disect and thus easier control the my talking maimuns. Plague residue from French revolution with made up histories all across where supposed links are tried to be established with medieval history (where in reality only identity was religious). Make believe world whose shape is carefully shaped by powers to be. World where true adults do not belong to. Disgusting actually.
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Apr 4, 2011 6:57:54 GMT -5
Curse of the Balkans used by western powers to further disect and thus easier control the my talking maimuns. Plague residue from French revolution with made up histories all across where supposed links are tried to be established with medieval history (where in reality only identity was religious). Make believe world whose shape is carefully shaped by powers to be. World where true adults do not belong to. Disgusting actually. wow you really do have a chronic case of verbal diarrhea. I hope for your sake you were well drunk when you wrote this particular nonsense.
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Apr 4, 2011 14:54:21 GMT -5
Arsenije welcome to the banned club.
Thanks for the incentive btw.
;D
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